Why? Did you live there for 10 years to form your opinion about Islam? Anyway, my point was give credit where it's due, instead of showing yourself as someone who will never budge from your position. One loses the incentive for doing good, if he realizes there is nothing he can do to gain approval. So, why bother tring to behave well

Wow, you are so brilliant for figuring this out. Those scheming bastards. Seriously, if they do bad, it's because "they are inherently, evil, Islam, bad.. the terrorism, oh...". And if they do good, its because "they are trying to fool people, inside they are planning, scheming.... " Listen to yourself, you sound like a child who is fascinated with conspiracy theories

More of what in your opinion would be the best way to tackle this muslim-west Europe divide

Well, atleast you claim you are not against everything islamic or muslim. But you did say a lot of things, which can easily be interpreted as just that.
Sometimes, you do confuse me. At times, like the one on bradford mosque, you said you appreciated the fact that muslims called themselves brits? While at other times, you have said "many muslims are in fact extremists, or at least intolerant of other religions","muslims are to blame", "Islam is an intolerant religion", "not compatible" and more. These kind of totalitarian statements dont exactly foster closer ties nor create an atmosphere for better understanding.

I will list below few solutions,which i believe,while not being harsh on Islam would address this Islam-west Europe problem.
1) Impose total ban on immigration for 10 years, after which it will be reviewed.
2)Educate the muslims here on a mass scale(unemployment is a key reason of most of the muslims feeling marginalized) and the others(non-muslims) on tolerance. I am afraid muslims are here to stay and that should be accepted. Foreign clerics, even suspected of radical preachings must not be given any kind of visit visas.
3)Hold inter-faith dialogues involving clergy,politicians and civilian representative bodies. Monitor the progress district wise regularly. Actually this policy is set to be implemented in some state in India.
What is your ideology?

And I will read about the Gallup polls.

>>>Actually, you said, "Educate the muslims here on a mass scale and the others on tolerance.
The others meant non-muslims
>>>If only 10% of Swiss muslims are religious, then why all the uproar about minarets?
Thats because the ban was percieved this as a rejection of muslims, which i think it is.

>>>The reason many think of many muslims as extremists is because many can be perceived as that. ......

Thats the problem, isnt it. It can only be cleared by talks and cannot be solved if their exists fear and suspicion of all muslims.
9/11 or any violence certainly isnt justified. But justifying islamophobia because of the perpetrators of these voilent acts isnt right too.

You quote a poll result, supposedly conducted by a guy worldwide. usually thse polls are conduced on a pool of people, who do not necessarily represent the whole population. It would have been conducted online on some site. Hardly trustworthy, dont you think? And it amazes me you use this as the basis of your phobia. I bet more than a minimum of 50% of readers here will wish the same on muslims. So, do i go around calling every christian as violent scum? And anyway, even if by a long shot the poll is precise(which i dont believe for a moment), 2/3rds oppose violence. Still doent justify your blaming all muslims.

As for my comments on the 3 muslim majority European countries being rejected free-visas, i did not know that they had certain criteria to be fulfilled and they did not meet them. My mistake.

>>>Why is it necessary that Europe educate the muslims on tolerance?
No, i said educate the non-muslims on tolerance. The reason i say this is because the swiss (most europeans) percieve muslims as threats. 60% of swiss muslims are from former yugoslavia and are totally non-religious. It is said only about 10% of swiss muslims are religious. And none are extremists. So, why do they percieve them as threats. They should talk about it, rather than keep their fears(which may be baseless) to themselves. This is what i meant by education on tolerance,
>>>>Perhaps it's time to quit blaming the Europeans and put the blame where it belongs--on the Muslims themselves and their intolerant religion with its disrespect for European culture.
This was the kind of attitude i was talking about. Even if a majority of muslims are moderates(like in switzerland), people nowadays bunch them with extremists and fundamentalists. If a religion as a whole is attacked, then the moderates,no doubt, will also defend themselves and even go on the offensive, leading people to believe this is a clash of religions and hence worsening things

I know a lot of people here will reply saying "muslims are barbarians", "muslims deserve that", "muslims are evil and should be...", but i will say it anyway.
The minaret vote is now passe, but an interesting observation from bosnia about EU free visa rejection was made. How is that justified? Apparently the only countries to have been rejected from this are Albania, bosnia and kosovo, the only 3 European countries with muslim majority?
This is so blatant. Europeans are no longer hiding their position - they will tolearate muslims, but only as a second class separate entity. I see Europe slowly but steadily advancing to an era that existed just before WW2, only the victims at that time were jews.
It's quite obvious whats happening. I see only one way out.
1) Impose total ban on immigration for 10 years, after which it will be reviewed.
2)Educate the muslims here on a mass scale and the others on tolerance. I am afraid muslims are here to stay and that should be accepted. Foreign clerics, even suspected of radical preachings must not be given any kind of visit visas.

What i have tried to say in my previous posts is we should stop the isolation, suspicion and blaming of muslims. This will only radicalize them more. I really do not know why it is so hard for the current day politicians to understand

Apostasy is forbidden in iran, yes. But the christians and jews there are granted all the things they need to practice their religion freely. Iran does lack that and you can fight for that.
As regards to your claims of oppression in Egypt, and in pakistan, them being low class workers,i am sure thousands of muslims in Europe will tell you how they feel marginalized and oppressed.
However i wont refute your claims, but you should be open minded to realize that muslims also "feel" they go through the same things here.
>>>Demands are made of Christians that they pay special taxes.
This was an ancient practise and has since been abolished. Not a single country has implemented it. There will always be fundamentalists who will demand such abhorrent things. But right wings in most of Europe also want similar things. Dont they? - Tax on headscarf.
The point i wanted to make is that Muslims can now claim their suppression of other religion's right's is a response to the swiss's restrictions. Before this vote, they had no claims on goverments as a whole being repressive.

>>>Have Christians ever claimed that?
Does not Europe condemn countries like china, cuba, iran,etc for suppressing human rights, expression of speech, religion? Your suggestion is if christians begin to face harrassment in Asia or Africa, you dont give a damn, because according to your priest, "Love your next" is the Christian spirit?
>>>>I would not go so far as to love conquerors ;)
Yes, thats the point. This feeling among people that they are conquerers. Muslims comprise 4% in switzerland and are mostly moderate ones from the balkans. This confuses what the fight is for. Against anything Islamic or muslim fundamentalists.