It would have been nice if there were some subtitles, but on the other hand maybe it's better there weren't any.

That is truly disgusting and barbaric, I don't know how any civilized people could accept the behaviour of these people. But in the west we are stuck with rose coloured glasses.

WOW! Have you read your post, who is the bitter one here? I personally do not support the Muslim's anywhere, that includes the Palestinian territory, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or anywhere else. I am the one that is always defending Israel's rights when having political discussions and I have never, ever supported the mohammedan anytime in my life. But the one thing that truly pisses me off is that everytime I try and give an explanation on this I get ripped and accused of being pro Arab by someone like you. I'm on your F@#$%$! side, get off my back and try and think a little.

Thanks for your rant and your short sighted views here. You have a problem with India disliking muslim's at home but do business with them elsewhere. What a freakin hypocrite you are my friend as Israel has been very cozy with Islamic Turkey for a long time now. Maybe you're the one who needs a history lesson and to maybe try and balance your views a bit better. So why is it ok for Israel to be hard on its Arab neighbours, but then seeks friendship with other muslim states? Hmmm, I sense a dilemma for you here.

If you actually read my posts I'm trying to explain to you why some of the sentiments are the way they are. And yes the US has taken sides against the Greeks for a very long time now, having supported Greece after WWII is one thing, but since then the favours have been very one sided. As for your stance on Greece being brought into the UN and NATO, that was an honour Greece earned as many Greeks spent their blood in the allied cause. We gave the allies their very first victory in WWII against the Italians, up until that point there was nothing but a series of losses to the Axis powers. On top of that we are supposed to look at the US support of Greece almost 60 years ago and forget everything since then, ok. Well then you should disregard the anti Israeli news stories written by a few misguided journalists because during WWII when the Nazi's were destroying the Jewish population in Thessaloniki, many Greeks and their families risked everything to help and shelter Jews. I guess that doesn't fit into your perception here too neatly does it, once again you are clueless.

On another hypocritical note you clearly show your distaste for me supporting Serbs because we share the same faith, yet you are so blind with rage you can't see that your devotion to your faith is what is fueling your passion on this subject, isn't it? You claim we are fascist Orthodox Christians and actually inadvertently admit your hatred for us, but somehow feel that is ok. Yet those same Orthodox Christians aren't allowed to view Israeli policies as fascist. You are one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever had to respond to, really.

nakal2 I as a Greek would like to comment on your view that leftist Greeks are the only ones who distrust the US.

I am about as right wing as they get, I can't stand the socialist mentality that many Greeks hold, however it is not a childish distrust or even hate towards the US my friend, that is earned.

The US has done more harm to Christians in the Balkans in the past two decades than the Mohammedans have done in that time, and that's a fact. US foreign policies in this region are insane to say the least. The US has been the creator of the illegal Islamic state of Kosovo, largely responsible for the backing and creation of Islamic Bosnia, support for Albania, and now blindly supporting the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia(I do understand that they are mostly Christian there). We all knew this was coming when Bill Clinton bombed Yugoslavia and simultaneously started arming the FYROM, sent military advisers there and set up a US base. All of the sudden Greece has another headache that seems to be backed by the US. George Bush comes into power and hopes in Greece were that he'd distance himself from the Clinton policies, what happens is the exact opposite.

This is not a one sided problem guys, and I want so bad to believe in the US, but she seems to always let us down.

Well I'm pleased to see this article but I've written about this subject so many times it hurts.

The main reason we never hear much about this problem is that the US and Britain have been stuck in a cold war mentality for a very long time. They see Turkey as a key ally as she borders on the mid east and Russia.

For decades now the Turks have basically had carte blanche in the region to do anything they please and their big buddies have never reigned them in. Instead the US and Britain are still Turkey's biggest backers for entry into the EU. How can any of us take the war on terror seriously when our side backs the destruction of Europe?

As we speak Turkish aggression in Greece is boiling over, two days ago 16 Turkish F-16's flew as low as 1000 feet over three inhabited Greek islands and one Turkish plane nearly crashed. The Greek government has been complaining to the EU and NATO for years about this daily practice but it always falls on deaf ears.

I'm a firm believer that these blatant violations will actually trigger a war, and I'm even more confident that the US and Britain will back the wrong side. I wish I understood the love affair with Turkey, but I guess that is politics, it doesn't have to make sense.

As for the calls for Greece to grow up and stop showing sympathy to the Palestinians I agree, but what most don't understand and never will is that most of these sentiments are grown out of frustration that the US is always against them. The US has backed the FYROM and recognized this fake country as the Republic of Macedonia as they have been attempting to steal Greek history and have designs on Greek territory. They see Israel's coziness with Turkey as a slap in the face and I think much of it is tit for tat, right or wrong.

There's also the false perception that if the world has sympathy for the Palestinians, they might have the same sympathy for Greek Cypriots and we know that isn't the case either.

Greece however has taken steps with Israel that I think will be good for future relations as last year Greece and Israel participated in a huge joint military exercise over the Aegean Sea.

In a perfect world we see Greece and Israel become key allies, the US and Britain stop their insane support of Turkey, and support Greece in the region instead. However we don't live in a perfect world and we can only hope those with a true common enemy will see the benefit of supporting each other.

Yeah unfortunately sometimes when you try to be balanced in your thoughts you have to expect an attack from time to time. It's no big deal, but I remember here on this site years ago being called a lot of things as I was one of the very few trying to get the message out about what was happening to the Serbs in the Balkans. Now many have come to see what actually happened there and we're all better for it.

It comes with the territory and it's understandable to some extent with the emotion involved in this fight.

We also know a lot of Islamic trolls like to visit this site and spew crap, so as I said I don't take offense too much, everyone here is really on the same side.

Nabeel and David I should note I watched the unedited version of events and that is far more to my liking, it answered all the questions I had about this.

Thanks again for your efforts, I have to say it is astounding when you claim to be a civilized and tolerant faith, and without any sense of irony peddle a T-Shirt with a muslim pissing on an Israeli flag. It's extremely offensive to me that these types of symbols both anti - Israeli and anti - Christian can exist anywhere, but as you stated if the shoe were on the other foot, look out!

I wish that video was posted here, it would have saved me a few key strokes.

Well actually if you read my initial post I don't believe I was criticizing them as much as I was speaking of my skepticism on how they got to where they did there.

I can see those guys are thugs and mean business, but it's easy to get that reaction from almost anyone given the right button's being pushed. I've always been the guy asking people to always dig deeper before they go and believe the first thing they see on youtube or in a movie. My skepticism is what helped me open the eyes of some of my closest friends who are law enforcement individuals and used to buy into the Michael Moore type of faux documentaries.

As for being a bouncer that job was almost 22 years ago and it sucked, and no I was not trying to infer that I was fighting believers on the front lines by informing you of my past. I have however over the years in some work related issues, have unfortunately found myself in actual life and death scenario's and acted in a manner that I can at least hold my head high.

I don't know why I'm bothering to reply to your comment, but yeah if you need to know I've probably been in several hundred fights in my life time.

Many years ago I worked in security type work, I did personal protection work and worked as a bouncer in a large club(worst job ever). I've trained over the years in kickboxing, and Hapkido and I weigh 250lbs. (parts of me still solid) lol!

Hope that answers your question?

So you are the guys that actually went forward here. Well I will look up the unedited version, as I stated "if I'm wrong so be it", and I meant that.

I as I stated I am a person who doesn't need to be fooled or given any false info as I think that takes away from what we all need to do. I will give you the benefit of doubt here and say thank you the for all of your efforts. There definitely needs to be more people like yourselves out there, and I wish you all the best.

Keep up the good work, I obviously stand corrected please accept my apology.

I am a little leery about a couple of things on this video. I don't know what was written on that pamphlet and later it's stated they didn't realize it wasn't a pamphlet from the fair (if I'm correct).

These guys walk up to the booth that says" ask us questions", they show up with this pamphlet and gave me the impression they wanted answers from a pamphlet these guys gave them, and they refused. Then these guys approach a few security guards who seem to support them, but those guards were never seen in the video again.

Look I don't have any sympathy for Islam in the western world, but my concern here is that if we aren't honest in our approach it actually strengthens the Mohammedan's, and discredit's us. Be very careful when we make these types of presentations.

I was thinking throughout this thing how much I hate Islam, and how much I'd love to go toe to toe with those guards, but I also was smelling a Michael Moore type production which I hate just as much.

If I'm wrong about all of this so be it. But this didn't feel right even when these guys are fighting on my side.