en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/307152 Comments by Fanatic http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027082.php#IDComment28986569 It would have been nice if there were some subtitles, but on the other hand maybe it's better there weren't any. That is truly disgusting and barbaric, I don't know how any civilized people could accept the behaviour of these people. But in the west we are stuck with rose coloured glasses. Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:01:45 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027082.php#IDComment28986569 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027006.php#IDComment28330563 WOW! Have you read your post, who is the bitter one here? I personally do not support the Muslim's anywhere, that includes the Palestinian territory, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or anywhere else. I am the one that is always defending Israel's rights when having political discussions and I have never, ever supported the mohammedan anytime in my life. But the one thing that truly pisses me off is that everytime I try and give an explanation on this I get ripped and accused of being pro Arab by someone like you. I'm on your F@#$%$! side, get off my back and try and think a little. Thanks for your rant and your short sighted views here. You have a problem with India disliking muslim's at home but do business with them elsewhere. What a freakin hypocrite you are my friend as Israel has been very cozy with Islamic Turkey for a long time now. Maybe you're the one who needs a history lesson and to maybe try and balance your views a bit better. So why is it ok for Israel to be hard on its Arab neighbours, but then seeks friendship with other muslim states? Hmmm, I sense a dilemma for you here. If you actually read my posts I'm trying to explain to you why some of the sentiments are the way they are. And yes the US has taken sides against the Greeks for a very long time now, having supported Greece after WWII is one thing, but since then the favours have been very one sided. As for your stance on Greece being brought into the UN and NATO, that was an honour Greece earned as many Greeks spent their blood in the allied cause. We gave the allies their very first victory in WWII against the Italians, up until that point there was nothing but a series of losses to the Axis powers. On top of that we are supposed to look at the US support of Greece almost 60 years ago and forget everything since then, ok. Well then you should disregard the anti Israeli news stories written by a few misguided journalists because during WWII when the Nazi's were destroying the Jewish population in Thessaloniki, many Greeks and their families risked everything to help and shelter Jews. I guess that doesn't fit into your perception here too neatly does it, once again you are clueless. On another hypocritical note you clearly show your distaste for me supporting Serbs because we share the same faith, yet you are so blind with rage you can't see that your devotion to your faith is what is fueling your passion on this subject, isn't it? You claim we are fascist Orthodox Christians and actually inadvertently admit your hatred for us, but somehow feel that is ok. Yet those same Orthodox Christians aren't allowed to view Israeli policies as fascist. You are one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever had to respond to, really. Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:44:59 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027006.php#IDComment28330563 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027006.php#IDComment28280730 nakal2 I as a Greek would like to comment on your view that leftist Greeks are the only ones who distrust the US. I am about as right wing as they get, I can't stand the socialist mentality that many Greeks hold, however it is not a childish distrust or even hate towards the US my friend, that is earned. The US has done more harm to Christians in the Balkans in the past two decades than the Mohammedans have done in that time, and that's a fact. US foreign policies in this region are insane to say the least. The US has been the creator of the illegal Islamic state of Kosovo, largely responsible for the backing and creation of Islamic Bosnia, support for Albania, and now blindly supporting the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia(I do understand that they are mostly Christian there). We all knew this was coming when Bill Clinton bombed Yugoslavia and simultaneously started arming the FYROM, sent military advisers there and set up a US base. All of the sudden Greece has another headache that seems to be backed by the US. George Bush comes into power and hopes in Greece were that he'd distance himself from the Clinton policies, what happens is the exact opposite. This is not a one sided problem guys, and I want so bad to believe in the US, but she seems to always let us down. Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:03:24 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027006.php#IDComment28280730 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027006.php#IDComment28274946 Well I'm pleased to see this article but I've written about this subject so many times it hurts. The main reason we never hear much about this problem is that the US and Britain have been stuck in a cold war mentality for a very long time. They see Turkey as a key ally as she borders on the mid east and Russia. For decades now the Turks have basically had carte blanche in the region to do anything they please and their big buddies have never reigned them in. Instead the US and Britain are still Turkey's biggest backers for entry into the EU. How can any of us take the war on terror seriously when our side backs the destruction of Europe? As we speak Turkish aggression in Greece is boiling over, two days ago 16 Turkish F-16's flew as low as 1000 feet over three inhabited Greek islands and one Turkish plane nearly crashed. The Greek government has been complaining to the EU and NATO for years about this daily practice but it always falls on deaf ears. I'm a firm believer that these blatant violations will actually trigger a war, and I'm even more confident that the US and Britain will back the wrong side. I wish I understood the love affair with Turkey, but I guess that is politics, it doesn't have to make sense. As for the calls for Greece to grow up and stop showing sympathy to the Palestinians I agree, but what most don't understand and never will is that most of these sentiments are grown out of frustration that the US is always against them. The US has backed the FYROM and recognized this fake country as the Republic of Macedonia as they have been attempting to steal Greek history and have designs on Greek territory. They see Israel's coziness with Turkey as a slap in the face and I think much of it is tit for tat, right or wrong. There's also the false perception that if the world has sympathy for the Palestinians, they might have the same sympathy for Greek Cypriots and we know that isn't the case either. Greece however has taken steps with Israel that I think will be good for future relations as last year Greece and Israel participated in a huge joint military exercise over the Aegean Sea. In a perfect world we see Greece and Israel become key allies, the US and Britain stop their insane support of Turkey, and support Greece in the region instead. However we don't live in a perfect world and we can only hope those with a true common enemy will see the benefit of supporting each other. Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:02:09 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027006.php#IDComment28274946 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26815000 Yeah unfortunately sometimes when you try to be balanced in your thoughts you have to expect an attack from time to time. It's no big deal, but I remember here on this site years ago being called a lot of things as I was one of the very few trying to get the message out about what was happening to the Serbs in the Balkans. Now many have come to see what actually happened there and we're all better for it. It comes with the territory and it's understandable to some extent with the emotion involved in this fight. We also know a lot of Islamic trolls like to visit this site and spew crap, so as I said I don't take offense too much, everyone here is really on the same side. Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:57:46 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26815000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26759310 Nabeel and David I should note I watched the unedited version of events and that is far more to my liking, it answered all the questions I had about this. Thanks again for your efforts, I have to say it is astounding when you claim to be a civilized and tolerant faith, and without any sense of irony peddle a T-Shirt with a muslim pissing on an Israeli flag. It's extremely offensive to me that these types of symbols both anti - Israeli and anti - Christian can exist anywhere, but as you stated if the shoe were on the other foot, look out! I wish that video was posted here, it would have saved me a few key strokes. Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:44:22 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26759310 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26755102 Well actually if you read my initial post I don't believe I was criticizing them as much as I was speaking of my skepticism on how they got to where they did there. I can see those guys are thugs and mean business, but it's easy to get that reaction from almost anyone given the right button's being pushed. I've always been the guy asking people to always dig deeper before they go and believe the first thing they see on youtube or in a movie. My skepticism is what helped me open the eyes of some of my closest friends who are law enforcement individuals and used to buy into the Michael Moore type of faux documentaries. As for being a bouncer that job was almost 22 years ago and it sucked, and no I was not trying to infer that I was fighting believers on the front lines by informing you of my past. I have however over the years in some work related issues, have unfortunately found myself in actual life and death scenario's and acted in a manner that I can at least hold my head high. Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:23:10 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26755102 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26742739 I don't know why I'm bothering to reply to your comment, but yeah if you need to know I've probably been in several hundred fights in my life time. Many years ago I worked in security type work, I did personal protection work and worked as a bouncer in a large club(worst job ever). I've trained over the years in kickboxing, and Hapkido and I weigh 250lbs. (parts of me still solid) lol! Hope that answers your question? Thu, 9 Jul 2009 02:28:01 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26742739 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26742554 So you are the guys that actually went forward here. Well I will look up the unedited version, as I stated "if I'm wrong so be it", and I meant that. I as I stated I am a person who doesn't need to be fooled or given any false info as I think that takes away from what we all need to do. I will give you the benefit of doubt here and say thank you the for all of your efforts. There definitely needs to be more people like yourselves out there, and I wish you all the best. Keep up the good work, I obviously stand corrected please accept my apology. Thu, 9 Jul 2009 02:24:26 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26742554 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26697235 I am a little leery about a couple of things on this video. I don't know what was written on that pamphlet and later it's stated they didn't realize it wasn't a pamphlet from the fair (if I'm correct). These guys walk up to the booth that says" ask us questions", they show up with this pamphlet and gave me the impression they wanted answers from a pamphlet these guys gave them, and they refused. Then these guys approach a few security guards who seem to support them, but those guards were never seen in the video again. Look I don't have any sympathy for Islam in the western world, but my concern here is that if we aren't honest in our approach it actually strengthens the Mohammedan's, and discredit's us. Be very careful when we make these types of presentations. I was thinking throughout this thing how much I hate Islam, and how much I'd love to go toe to toe with those guards, but I also was smelling a Michael Moore type production which I hate just as much. If I'm wrong about all of this so be it. But this didn't feel right even when these guys are fighting on my side. Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:22:55 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026856.php#IDComment26697235 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026560.php#IDComment24286244 Rose Warren I'm terribly sorry to hear about your son's injuries, I just want you to know that I enjoy your comments as you seem to have a good understanding of what is going on. I know many here have a hard time understanding the Warsaw Pact comparison, but it really shouldn't be that difficult. I think NATO has lost both its moral compass and reason for existence. NATO served faithfully for nearly 50 years as an organization that was responsible and conservative in its approach to the Soviet Union. It was these qualities that both kept the USSR in check and kept us from entering any destructive unnecessary wars. Since the USSR has collapsed and Ronald Reagan made assurances to Gorbachev that the west will not encroach on past Soviet territory, NATO has done the exact opposite. NATO as mentioned at nauseum here has become an aggressive organization that has violated its own mandate and has aggressively gobbled up former Soviet countries under its umbrella. The former Republic of Yugoslavia has been divided and conquered into seven individual states that have slowly been taken under the NATO umbrella with Georgia and the Ukraine on the outer limits. This is the type of aggression that no country in the world would want to tolerate, but somehow the Russian's who are not the USSR anymore are supposed to take it. I also agree with you on the points about the Russian army fighting Muslim's on a daily basis and doing well with it. The Russian's have kicked more Muslim ass in the past ten years than the west would ever dream of. I've stated this here before as well, if the west stopped selling arms to the Muslim world and asked the Russian's to do the same I bet you'd get cooperation. I watched an interview about this fact where an American journalist was badgering a Russian diplomat about selling arms to Iran, his response was "the US gives arms to Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, all we want is the right to do the same". I find it hard to argue against that one. My last comment on this one is simply the only country in the world that truly has the ability to stop Islamic expansion is the US, but all she seems to do is empower those that want us dead. If the US ever stepped up to Russia and offered a hand instead of a middle finger the world would be a much better and safer place. Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:38:51 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026560.php#IDComment24286244 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026560.php#IDComment24153754 Excellent article, it saddens me that it hits the nail on the head. As some have mentioned Georgia's strongman in their commentary it is amazing how we in the west haven't realized how our media in the west has become like the old Soviet news agency and spits out the party line. Shaksvhili is portrayed as a man of peace and democracy, but after he won his US helped election in Georgia the very first thing he did was put all of his opposition in jail on trumped up treason charges. The US will do anything in the Balkans to undermine the Russians and this action is suicidal to the west in general. No one seems to mention how the US has made a mess out of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia by empowering them and recognizing them as the Republic of Macedonia. Now these people are stealing history and making territorial claims on neighbouring Greece all with US help. The US has destabilized this region so bad that wars threaten to break out all over because of blind policies to bring countries under the NATO umbrella at any cost. Albania is a NATO member state now, that is incredible! If Albania has met the requirements to be a member of the EU and NATO then Swaziland has a chance as well. I'm happy this article was written because I have been one of those vilified for almost 15 years by trying to state the truth to people about the goings on in the Balkans. The scariest truth about the Balkans that seems lost one everyone is that it has acted as the canary in the mine for its entire history. Whether being the first to feel Islamic aggression, to being the flash point of two World Wars, I fear that the Balkans may just be the flash point once again for WWIII. Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:16:16 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026560.php#IDComment24153754 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026287.php#IDComment22406322 I think you're very late on this one. Turkey's president Denktash (I think it was him) wrote a book in Turkish saying exactly what you are saying. Aristotle, Homer, Hesiod etc. were Turks as the Turks were the original inhabitants of this region. Wed, 27 May 2009 06:47:57 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026287.php#IDComment22406322 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026287.php#IDComment22405663 Trust me that Greeks are as anti Islamic as anyone else in the world. As Rose Warren stated before about her relatives in Kosovo, I too had relatives fight in Bosnia and Yugoslavia to help stop the disgraceful assistance the west gave to murderous Muslim's in that region. Greeks were placed in Kosovo after all was lost and were the ones that asked to guard churches and elementary schools as children and churches were targeted by these monsters. When criticizing Greece for allowing these people into their country stop and think about the hypocrisy of this statement if you are from the US or Britain. Your country created a series of jihadistan's in the Balkans, and the rest of us are left to clean it up. Greece was well known for immediately returning illegal immigrants when caught, but the system has been completely overwhelmed and cannot remove these people as they once used to. The EU has also made old practices more difficult, but don't worry when push comes to shove I know my people will not stand by idly. The real question here is what will the US do to Greece if she stands up for herself? The US' insistence that Turkey be allowed into the EU is a very worrisome event and if successful will go down as the event that ended the world as we know it. If you care about Greece, Italy, Europe in general, Israel and any other civilized place make your voices known to your government to stop supporting Turkey's acceptance into Europe. Wed, 27 May 2009 06:30:53 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026287.php#IDComment22405663 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026270.php#IDComment22341506 Greece should lease a large ship, load evey illegal on it and aim it for a beach in Turkey. Let it run aground there and set up a naval blockade. What else can you do? Amnesty international has condemnded Greece time and time again for illegal migrants that routinely die trying to cross by land as the border between Greece and Turkey is one of the most land mined areas in the world. If that wasn't the case I believe Greece and Europe would have already been completely overrun. Tue, 26 May 2009 18:03:14 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026270.php#IDComment22341506 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026270.php#IDComment22341495 Athenian you are so right about many things here. The everyday Greek has not and will not forget what Muslim's have done to us, and for how long we have fought them. We have been fighting with these people as long as they have existed, as stated we fought them for more than seven hundred years before they beat us is 1453, and we fought them for more than sixty years or so to regain our independence. I have said many times to my relatives in Greece that the worst thing that ever happened to Greece and Europe was the invention of the EU. Greece has pleaded with the EU for a joint Coast Guard or naval assistance from its EU brethren to help deal with this plague of Islamic migrants crossing from Turkey. This has all fallen on deaf ears and the Turkish governemnt may be complicit here. All you do hear is how the US and the British want Turkey in the EU though. Greece has been overwhelmed and no one is helping but criticism seems to be the only thing they get from EU memeber states on how they treat these illegal migrants. Tue, 26 May 2009 18:03:07 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026270.php#IDComment22341495 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026247.php#IDComment22179662 My friend "It could not happen to a nicer country". I can tell you this sentence is what plays directly into the hands of those few I know have their Jewish conspiracy theories. The few anti semites I've spoken to believe the Jews hate Greece and Greeks, and Israel's coziness with Turkey is another example of their minset. Do not underestimate Israel's foolish friendship with Turkey as this plays into the paranoia with the US, Turkey theory of destroying the Balkans and leaving it for the Mohammedan. As I stated it's a two way street my friend, and the other point of Israel's hypocrisy in refusing to acknowledge the Greek and Armenian genocides doesn't bode well for that view. Israel and Jews are not above criticism my friend and you deserve your share, but under no circumstances will I or any of my family accept being anti semitic. My cousin had the pleasure of marrying a Jewish girl this past winter and our families absolutely love each other, I hope this is a symbol of a future unity Greeks and Jews will enjoy one day. The Mohammedan curse will take all of us over if we can't unite ourselves in this life or death fight. Sun, 24 May 2009 14:45:06 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026247.php#IDComment22179662 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026247.php#IDComment22159641 Everyone needs to understand one thing about Greeks they are anti Islamic without a doubt. As a Greek myself I can tell you nobody in my family has forgotten what Islam has done to us. These immigrants are all in Greece illegally and are swarming in from Turkey via every dung hole you can imagine in the mid east. Greece has pleaded with the EU to make a joint effort to help stop this human wave which dumps thousands of migrant on her shores, all with no results. Actually Greeks have been criticized by international groups like Amnesty International and other EU member states for their poor treatment of illegal immigrants. What is Greece expected to do, I know the common people hate these guys and a group actually attacked Muslim immigrants a couple of weeks ago sparking an anti Muslim riot, so I doubt there's any truth to this bs Koran story it's more about international sympathy for the down trodden Mohammedan. As for the anti-semitic news stories in Greece it once again is a symptom of a leftist media, but most Greeks have a resentment towards Israel because of her friendly ties with Turkey more than any other reason, you can bank on that. If Israel didn't play as cozy with Turkey you would see a different sentiment portrayed there I'm sure about that. Let's not forget that Israel has refused to acknowledge the Armenian and Greek genocides at the hands of the Turks. The Greeks originally called their genocide the Holocaust which means "All burned" but now that term is of course associated with the Jewish Shoa. My final word here is that I will personally always support the existence of the Jewish state and will always show solidarity to our Jewish friends for what they endure, but remember it's a two way street and I only hope many Jews look at Greeks the same way. Sun, 24 May 2009 05:30:18 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026247.php#IDComment22159641 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026231.php#IDComment22081735 As a Canadian I am disgusted but unfortunately not surprised with this event. Canadian justice is a joke of a term whether you're a terrorist or not in my country. Having said that I know that more and more of my fellow citizens are showing signs of realizing what Islam means, hopefully a grass roots movement will make its voice heard and we can protect ourselves from this global plague. Wouldman2, I don't mean to put you down here but 75% of Muslim immigrants live near border towns? Are you aware that 95% of Canada is a border town? The vast majority of all cities and settlements in Canada basically straddle the USA. So in a nutshell nearly 100% of Islamic immigration is near a US border, northern Canada is almost empty in case you didn't know. The other thing that is disturbing is the large population in Ontario where the pro Hezbollah, NDP, unionist unholy trinity exists, I will give you that. Sat, 23 May 2009 00:58:01 +0000 http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026231.php#IDComment22081735 http://jihadwatch.org/#IDComment19914718 Hesperado, I completely agree with your post. I find it funny how this mockery of a democracy is always floated as the shining example of Islam's ability to function with a democracy. I recently read an article that in spite of Turkey's so called secular, democratic government being pro US, a recent poll shows that Turkish citizens are the most anti US people on earth. Both Iraq and Pakistan had a greater approval rating of the US than Turkey does. Too bad these Western politicians are so keen on selling the soul of the World to this ass backwards death cult. When will the US see that trying to get Turkey into the EU is the first step to ending its own civilization? Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:25:32 +0000 http://jihadwatch.org/#IDComment19914718