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Trevr84 is technically accurate in the most generic and broadest sense - by definition - since one would assume that homosexuality would not be the norm for an organism. And in the broadest sense a deviation from the norm may be called a disease. Although, even that logic does not rule out bisexuality, as being perhaps perfectly natural and certainly not necessarily a disease. So, this line of thought cuts both ways.
I do think we have to be careful about one set of comments in this thread, though. The idea that someone has to hide their behavior or opinions simply because it may offend others is a dangerous line to draw. If the crime is offense alone, then I would argue and defend their right to be free to offend. Protecting the norm is not as sacred to Americans as protecting our right to object, even if that makes them objectionable in our eyes. Else freedom would be easy and not a virtue if we all behaved and thought alike.
Actually penalizing a country's exports because of their own internal pollution would be a powerful way to really deal with this issue on a global scale. I suspect though, that this kind of unilateral "punishment" would not be politically feasible. It would most likely result in the same lock-down of trade that outright protectionism would cause, and that kind of process leads to global depressions. Sigh. And civilian deaths even by the millions due to pollution would also probably not be sufficient to cause China to alter course. They have bigger concerns. Double sigh.
I still have issues with some of his posts, but it is a free country. I don't think I ever actually gave him a thumbs down - I do not like that system particularly anyway, words should be sufficient, this is not an election - and I certainly would not thumb him down in the future.
Possibly, the numbers are not very strong either way yet and the probability of adverse reactions to a vaccine is miniscule. But I think the "pro-polio," although incendiary, quote above is a strong argument. If no one took the bank of modern vaccines that are given out today then we would - yes would - have the return of many nasty and deadly diseases. Sure, as it stands now, with the vast majority of folks in America being vaccinated some people can safely opt-out and count on the rest to do the prevention for them. To turn that quote above around I would simply say, "Many childhood illnesses have been linked to childhood illnesses."
I do support your right to refuse vaccines, whether I think that is smart or not, so perhaps we are in agreement!
"Bush and the government are the terroists, they backed 911 the terroists were trained at US bases. How did tower 7 collapse when it wasnt hit and had very little fire from debris? Bush knew what was happening and let it happen!!!! Why do you think the patriot act was passed at 3 in the morning and congressman werent allowed to read it?"
I am also surrounded by Brits and Canadians for part of the year. So, I have spoken with them and experienced their health services first hand. They do not complain as much as the Americans I know about red tape. The guidelines there are much clearer and are explained up-front. And the vast majority would not dream of ending their national health systems - bar none.
I do not think that we should try and create an NHS system, but as I said, from personal experience, I do not believe the horror stories some people would like to tell about *all* the other G8 nations (not just the United Kingdom and Canada but all the other advanced industrial nations have national health care systems, we alone do not). Nor do I think such one sided talk helps this camp. But I know that I am relatively alone on that.