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did i attack you personally? i attacked your ideas and opinions.
your #1 - here's your words "The final refuge of those who have no counter-arguments: misconstruing an expression". so, did you or did you n ot employ the word misconstrue or did I misconstrue you?
your #2 - no, becuase of the incorrect facts you wrote. i am amused though.
your #3 - you still haven't relayed what founders you meant. and the list simply demonstrates that before the excuse of Balfour and indeed Herzl, Arabs were killing Jews. that's all. that their response is consistently one of violence and murder. and don't suppose anything.
i am having a very civilized conversation. don't you go and call it otherwise when you are losing the argument.
And what does this mean - "the founders' ideals are being betrayed, daily"? which founders? what ideals? the arabs starting killing us in a political sense in 1851 when Avraham Shlomo Zalman Zoref was murdered by sword blows after purchasing property in Jerusalem. and consider this list of Jewish victims of Arab violence all before Balfour: Aharon Hershler, January 1873; Yisrael Chaim Sheinboim, April 9, 1881; Rachel Hadad, April 2, 1886; Avraham Yalovski, January 1888; Yisrael Roseman, August 1890; Bechor Moshon, September 1900; Yaakov Avramovitz, September 24, 1902; Yitzhak Cohen, November 24, 1903; Shimon Melamed, April 12, 1909; Yisrael Korngold, April 12, 1909;
Dov Schweiger, April 12, 1909; Yaakov Plotkin, November 18, 1909; Pinchas Abramowitz, October 13, 1910; Yehezkel Nissanov, February 2, 1911; Tzvi Bortanovsky, July 5, 1911; David Saharov, July 23, 1912; Moshe Teich, September 18, 1912; David Levyatan, August 4, 1913; Shmuel Friedman, August 23, 1913; Moshe Barsti, November 22, 1913; Yosef Zaltzman, November 24, 1913; Yaakov Feldman, December 7, 1913;
Yosef Sussman, 1914*; Dov Klay, February 25, 1915; Yekutiel Rabiav, April 1916;
Elazar Finkelstein, April 20, 1916; Mordechai Zohar, August 1917; and these before the British established their rule here: Moshe Seglowitz, June 20, 1918; Gavriel Berkowitz, February 9, 1919; Schneur Shaposhnik, December 12, 1919; Aharon Scher, February 2, 1920.