en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/1606301 Comments by mbkk40 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99851447 Wow missed the point, did we? I brought up multiple valid critcisms of the list that did not involve where it came from but it's quality. I recieved a flippantly arrogant response about how people need to sleep and how it's a free site that skirted everything I had said. But I am past it. JF can't admit making a mistake when it's blatently obvious he made one, and he has a herd of followers who will poo-poo any criticism against him. So I stand no chance and give up. I just hope there are more readers like me that are very disheartened about how this whole thing turned out. Mon, 20 Sep 2010 03:38:53 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99851447 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99838425 And you're avoiding every other point I made, especially about the quality control. Can't you even admit that you might have made an error in judgement? Mon, 20 Sep 2010 01:45:16 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99838425 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99834980 You know, if you're deleting all the posts calling you out on this, you might want to delete the one where you ask her for an apology. I indeed believed the worst, but once again, given the same circumstances, I would have believed the same about anyone. One google search brought this list up under someone elses name. There was no response from you for about 12 hours as the accusations raged. Finally, you proved you had bought the content legally, but seriously, if the same thing would have happened to a submitted list, what would you have thought? That the list was obtained legally or that it was someone elses work? You seem to have a lower standard for your own work than the work of others. While you have proven that you did not plagerize this work, you have completely avoided the fact that this was an obvious copy and paste job with no proofreading done. Once again, would you have published a list submitted by a reader if it had been this low quality? So yeah, once again, not plagerism, but very amateurish. Considering the copy and paste job, lack of quality control on what's published under your name, and demanding an apology from the author you bought the work from, I think you are the one who should be making an apology to you readers and Shelly. You bought the work, but the most basic understanding of copyright law (which I'd assume you have) would tell you that buying work from an author, musician, artist, etc, does not mean you can re-label that product under your own name without consent from the said party. If you were unsure, you should have held off on the list until it was clarified. And that's why I'm pissed. You have gone through this like you're above any criticism and anyone initially accusing you of plagerism is somehow an idiot for thinking such. I believe most people would have thought the same thing regardless of the author. Once again, making the rules does not make you above them. Anyway, I think most people will see that what happened was not illegal, but really, really sleezey. Acting like you've done nothing wrong and demading apologies isn't helping that. Mon, 20 Sep 2010 01:16:33 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99834980 http://listverse.com/2010/09/19/13-bizarre-music-videos-for-halloween#IDComment99733220 All hail the Bungle! Sun, 19 Sep 2010 08:54:41 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/19/13-bizarre-music-videos-for-halloween#IDComment99733220 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99703586 I did comment, but let's be honest here. I used one of the criteria for list submission (type some into google and see if anything comes up) and it came up, word for word, under someone elses name. If it had been another person's list and it failed the google test that badly, I doubt it would have been accepted. Another criteria is to not copy and paste another's work. Bought or not, it's obvious that's what happened. So sure, this wasn't plagerism and I accept that. That doesn't negate the fact that this list would have been rejected if it had been submitted from someone else. Making the rules for submission doesn't make you above those rules. Jamie, as the person who runs Listverse, your lists should at least be up to the same quality standards that you ask for from others. In fact, yours should be higher to set an example. Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:35:46 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99703586 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99675805 Seriously man, with that disclaimer at the end of the list and a bit of proofreading, you could avoided this whole thing. Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:52:19 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99675805 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99672277 You're missing the point. If you worked hard on something, only to have someone claim it as theirs and that you weren't even part of creation process, I doubt you'd be so glib about it. And everyone saying it was Jamie just finishing a submitted list, that doesn't fly either. At best, there was a huge mishap in proof-reading, but more importantly, when a person puts their name on a piece of work, they are responsible for the quality of that work. Trying to say that it was someone elses fault because they submitted it like this (which there is zero evidence for so far) means either a) the list was never proofread or fact checked or b) the person who submitted it should be credited because they obviously did half the work of the list. Plagerism is always ugly. Trying to make excuses for it just makes it worse. Sat, 18 Sep 2010 22:14:50 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99672277 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99663838 This is not a mistake, it's blatant plagerism. He stole the work of another author and claimed it as his own. The difference between copy and pasting from wikipedia is that it is a free source website that allows reproduction without notice. I doubt Shelley Barclay gave permission for this reproduction without her getting any credit. And it is hypocrisy with a capital H. Sat, 18 Sep 2010 20:44:48 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/18/top-10-bizarre-accidents#IDComment99663838 http://listverse.com/2010/09/14/7-ways-to-indulge-in-the-seven-deadly-sins#IDComment98685890 Toyota should seriously rename the i-REAL the i-SLOTH. It just fits. Tue, 14 Sep 2010 08:52:45 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/14/7-ways-to-indulge-in-the-seven-deadly-sins#IDComment98685890 http://listverse.com/2010/09/13/10-more-ridiculous-movie-cliches#IDComment98550479 Just one point about #8... I have received devestating news over the phone, and I did stare at the phone for awhile, pretty much praying that it would say "Just kidding!" It's totally irrational and it probably looks ridiculous, but I'm not sure how much a movie cliche it is or if it's a representation of how some people react in that situation. Still an entertaining list despite my nitpicking. Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:29:14 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/13/10-more-ridiculous-movie-cliches#IDComment98550479 http://listverse.com/2010/09/08/top-10-bizarre-birth-defects#IDComment97583463 These are the times I'm glad to be a (relatively) healthy adult. Great though disturbing list! Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:42:04 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/08/top-10-bizarre-birth-defects#IDComment97583463 http://listverse.com/2010/09/07/10-influential-characters-who-die-early#IDComment97446612 Terrible list riddled with omissions! The Samuri Husband in Rashoman? You know, just one of the most influential Japanese flicks ever? Wait, Steven Fatass Seagal is more important..... Izo in Izo? Wait, that's right, foreign flicks don't even appear in this Hollywood list nonsense. Janet Leigh in Psycho? Probably the most influencial movie death ever, but I guess Deep Blue Sea was a much more important movie >< Orson Welles in Citizen Kane? Oh yes, you had to leave this one out to make room for the cinematic delight that is Predator! Great call! The 'Tapeworm' in Irreversible? See it and you'll know why. R. Lee Emery in Full Metal Jacket? I can't even come up with an excuse for this miss. It's an 80's Hollywood flick, so it should be right down the LM alley. The name of the list should be '10 Movie Deaths I Enjoy'. Once again a crappy opinion based list with little research or objectivity. LV, you let me down on a daily basis now :( Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:08:51 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/07/10-influential-characters-who-die-early#IDComment97446612 http://listverse.com/2010/09/06/top-10-alternative-albums-you-should-own#IDComment97301963 Seriously Listverse, an opinion based music list? I never thought I'd say it, but it seems that LV is circling the drain. Very sad to watch the demise. Mon, 6 Sep 2010 15:28:39 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/09/06/top-10-alternative-albums-you-should-own#IDComment97301963 http://listverse.com/2010/08/28/top-10-watershed-moments-in-history#IDComment95680391 Solid if safe list. Things that could be added are; the sinking of the Spanish Aramada, the mass revolts throughout Europe in 1848, the invention of the repeating rifle and machine gun, devolopment of the tank, the Paris Peace Coference, the birth and rise of Muhammod and Islam, 9/11, invention of radio, etc, etc, etc. Damn, I have to work on a 'part 2' for this list now.... Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:36:28 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/08/28/top-10-watershed-moments-in-history#IDComment95680391 http://listverse.com/2010/08/26/10-incredibly-controversial-sting-operations#IDComment95316478 And after further reading, I found out that the police officers responsable were suspended with pay..... And my faith in humanity slides a little lower. It's also sad that the deal she was forced to be a part of involved 2 oz. of cocaine. 1500 ecstasy tabs and a handgun. I guess weed, coke and guns are all interchangable to American law enforcement. I'm not sure what type of logic says that 24 year old college grad potheads are capable of making a deal like this, but it's awful faulty. Obvoiusly Small time drug users don't do big drug deals.... especially deals involving things you never freaking use! (ie: coke and guns). Cause if you don't know what you're doing, you're liable to get yourself killed. Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:01:50 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/08/26/10-incredibly-controversial-sting-operations#IDComment95316478 http://listverse.com/2010/08/26/10-incredibly-controversial-sting-operations#IDComment95314989 Wow, the Racheal Hoffman case is terrible. I hope everyone involved in putting her in that situation lost their badges and were tried like the criminals they are. Just another example of why the current drug war is illogical and has too stop. Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:44:59 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/08/26/10-incredibly-controversial-sting-operations#IDComment95314989 http://listverse.com/2010/08/25/top-10-talking-donkeys#IDComment95116268 I could pull a better list out of my.... donkey? JK, I thought I'd dislike this list, but it turned into a nice little read Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:06:07 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/08/25/top-10-talking-donkeys#IDComment95116268 http://listverse.com/2010/08/22/top-15-most-evil-nazis#IDComment94984346 'Men Behind The Sun' as in a movie based on cold hard fact. Do a little research about Unit 731 and you may learn it's not a conspiracy theory like Area 51, but a documented medical testing unit of the Japanese in WW2. They did things as terrible, if not worse, than the Nazi doctors. So go learn a little more, and we'll call you when you're needed. Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:04:41 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/08/22/top-15-most-evil-nazis#IDComment94984346 http://listverse.com/2010/08/22/top-15-most-evil-nazis#IDComment94978224 'Men Behind The Sun' as in a movie based on cold hard fact. Maybe you should check this sort of thing out before before saying I'm a whacko and condescendingly telling me you'll call me when I'm needed. No, hunny, I'll call you when you're needed, which I highly doubt. I said nothing about Area 51, you just pulled that out of the air. Nice... Any other assumptions you'd like to make about me? Cause maybe I could then inform you that I'm a history major and a paid researcher, that I actually know what I'm talking about and check my facts. It's my job. Not making baseless assumptions and jumping to idiotic conclusions. But it seems to work for you. Have fun with that. Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:40:29 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/08/22/top-15-most-evil-nazis#IDComment94978224 http://listverse.com/2010/08/23/top-10-popular-music-rip-offs#IDComment94817518 Seriously though! I'd be lost as a drummer without it.... when in doubt, bust out the Amen Break. Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:44:40 +0000 http://listverse.com/2010/08/23/top-10-popular-music-rip-offs#IDComment94817518