Ron

Seems the guys at ExPastors.com, are also removing
And editing posts by, and about “Tullian Tchividjian.”

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ExPastors.com Apparently has Deleted Posts and References to Tullian Tchividjian
https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2017/01/03/exp...

“...two of the four relevant articles at ExPastors.com had been removed from their site – one by Bo Lane and the other by Tullian Tchividjian. Two other articles by Greg Atkinson had been edited without any notice or update that I could find, that he had made edits to the pieces. Also, a search on the ExPastors.com site for “Tullian Tchividjian” yielded no results.”

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Can these guys at ExPastors.com, really help “Ex Pastors?”
By “deleting and editing posts” that prove to be ugly, NOT True?

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When you believe the lie you start to die...

Ron

Seems ExPastors.com has removed your interview with Pete Wilson.

With NO explanation.

Ron

Seems there is more to the story then burnout.

Brandi Wilson, Pete Wilson’s Wife, Files For Divorce.
http://thewartburgwatch.com/2016/12/20/brandi-wil...

And God bless you Ron.

Mal 3:16
Then they that feared the LORD
spake often one to another:
and the LORD hearkened, and heard it,
and a book of remembrance was written before him
for them that feared the LORD,
and that thought upon his name.

Hmmm? My "biggest frustration" as a leader?

When I searched the scriptures...
For the Qualifications of an “elder/leader.”
And realized I did NOT meet the Qualifications...
And as hard as I tried, I still did NOT meet the Qualifcations. Now what? :-(

Here are three qualifications for pastor/elder, from Titus...
That most who call themselves “pastor/elder” tend to “Ignore,” or “Twist.”
1 - For a bishop (overseer) “Must Be” *Blameless.* 2 - Just. 3 - Holy.

Titus 1:5-8 KJV
5 ...ordain elders in every city...
6 If any be *blameless,* the husband of one wife,
having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
7 For a bishop “must be” *blameless,* as the steward of God; not self willed,
not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
8 a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, *just,* *holy,* temperate;

1 - *Must Be*
Strongs #1163, die. - It is necessary (as binding).
Thayer’s - necessity established by the counsel and decree of God.
This *must be* is the same Greek word. - You *must be* born again. Jn 3:7
Seems *must be* is a small word but very important. Yes?

1 - Blameless
Strongs #410 anegkletos - unaccused, irreproachable, blameless.
Thayers - cannot be called into account, unreproveable, unaccused.
Dictionary - Without fault, innocent, guiltless, not meriting censure.

2 - Just
Strongs #1342 - dikaios {dik'-ah-yos} from 1349;
Thayers - righteous, observing divine laws, innocent, faultless, guiltless.

3 - Holy
Strongs #3741 - hosios {hos'-ee-os}
Thayers - undefiled by sin, free from wickedness,
religiously observing every moral obligation.

Now that’s three tough qualifications for pastor/elder/leader. Yes?

How many pastor/elder/leaders today, who honestly examine themselves, seriously considering these three qualifications, can see themselves as Blameless, Just and Holy, innocent, without fault, above reproach, undefiled by sin, and thus qualify to be an pastor/leader/overseer? And, if they can see themself as *blameless?* Is that pride? And no longer without fault? ;-)

If WE, His Ekklesia, His Church, His Sheep, His Kings and Priests, His Body...
Take seriously the many tough Qualifications in 1 Tim 3:1-6, and Titus 1:5-9...

The number of Biblically Qualified, pastor/elders/leaders, is quite small. ;-)

But, will these UN-qualified, pastor/elder/leaders, “Remove Themselves?”
And be a good example to the flock?

Ps 138:6
Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly:
but the proud he knoweth afar off.

Ps 40:4
Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust,
and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

Hi James

You seem to be edjumacated about “Biblical standards” for pastors.
But, I’m having a hard time finding today’s “Titled” pastor...
And what these "Titled" pastors get “Paid” to “Do”...
In the Bible. Oy Vey!!!

And, since Making Disciples seems to be a priorty for "today's Pastors."

Was wondering...
In The Bible, Can you find, and name...
One of His Disciples calling them self, pastor? Or shepherd? Or leader? Or reverend?
One of His Disciples calling another Disciple, shepherd/leader/reverend?
One of His Disciples with the "Title/Position," shepherd/leader/reverend?
One of His Disciples Hired or Fired, as a shepherd/leader/reverend?

One of His Disciples who became...
A Paid, Professional, Pastor, in a Pulpit, Preaching, to People, in Pews?
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What did His Disciples know 2000 years ago?
That those who call themselves “pastor/leader/reverend,” Miss Today?
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If, NOT one of His Disciples “Did” any of these things 2000 years ago? In the Bible?
Why would someone, who desires to be one of His Disciples, “Do” these things today?
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Jer 50:6
“My people” hath been “lost sheep:”
**THEIR shepherds** have caused them to *go astray,*

1 Pet 2:25
For ye were as *sheep going astray;*
BUT are now returned to the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

{{{{{{ Jesus }}}}}}

Hi Lance

Glad ya-all like them Famous Amos cookies...
But, sorry, I can NOT take any credit for them. ;-)

I’m NOT a fan of Baking. - But, I am a fan of BACON. ;-)
Flour tends to be messy, going all over the place. Hard to clean up after.
But, Pigs, Now a pig is a marvelous, magnificent, miracle working animal.
You feed that pig useless stuff like vegetables, lettuce and tomatoes - And bingo...
That marvelous, magnificent, miracle working pig turns it into - BACON...

And, as for my pastor NOW, Well... Me and My Pastor have a “load of fun” together.

1 - My pastor NOW, loves me - Unconditionally.
2 - My pastor NOW, promised to never leave me nor forsake me.
3 - My pastor NOW, NO longer calls me servant. He calls me FRIEND.
Yeah, My pastor NOW, is way cool.

1a - I’ve had a few Mere Fallible Human pastors in the past...
Who did NOT love me unconditionally. Go figure...
Oh, they said they loved me... When I agreed with them...
Gave them lots of money... Was willing to Pray, Pay, Stay, and Obey...

But, challenge their Power, Profit, Prestige, doctrines, beliefs...
Dis-agree, question, their character, their theology...
Ask them, How come, In the Bible...
NOT one of His Disciples...
Called them self pastor?
Had the “Title” pastor?

Or, Had their own parking space? :-)
And things would get ugly pretty fast.

NO, I’m NOT a fan, of a man...
Who takes My pastors Name, in Vain...

Exodus 20:7
Thou shalt not take
the NAME of the LORD thy God in VAIN;
for the LORD will not hold him guiltless
that taketh his name in vain.

Seems. in the Bible, the only ONE I can find...
Who has the “Title,” Shepherd/Leader/Reverend...
Or was referred to as, Shepherd/Leader/Reverend... Is...

My Shepherd and FRIEND

{{{{{{ Jesus }}}}}}

Hi Ron

“Humble Leader” Wow! Me thinks that’s impossible. Especially in “Today’s Religious System.”

In my experience - Most so-called Christian leaders today “Trust” John Maxwell. And his quote...
“Everything rises and falls with leadership” - BUT - I do NOT see that principle in the Bible.

That Maxwell quote makes so-called leaders think - “They are important.” Just the opposite of “Humble.”

“Humble Leader” has to be confusing for those who tell others they’re Leaders in “The Body of Christ.” That quote causes so-called leaders to, Focus on self. Improve self. Have an excessive interest in self. But - That is the opposite of “Humble” = Having a low estimate of ones importance. Selfless.

And - In the Bible - John the Baptist said - “He” must increase, but “I” must decrease. (Humble)
Paul said - “I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; *yet not I,* but Christ liveth in me.”

And Jesus said - “I will build MY Church.” “I will add to MY Church.”
Seems to me, in the Bible, Jesus gets the preeminence, and ALL the glory.
Everything rises and falls with “Jesus.” NOT with mere fallible humans who think they are leaders.

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***Humble
Dictionary - having a modest or low estimate of one's own importance.

Thesauras - selfless, lowly, meek, unassuming, respectful, submissive, diffident, self-effacing,
unassertive, unpresuming, modest, subdued, chastened.

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***Leader
Dictionary - the person who leads or commands a group.

Thesauras - chief, head, principal, commander, captain; superior, headman, director, overseer,
master, president, premier, governor; ruler, monarch, king, queen, sovereign, emperor, number one.

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***Narcissistic
Dictionary - having an excessive interest in oneself, in ones own importance.

Thesauras - self-admiring, self-absorbed, self-obsessed, self-centered, self-regarding...

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Maybe this is why Jesus, in Mat 23:10 NASB, taught His Disciples NOT to be called “Leader”
For you have “ONE” Leader - Christ.

So His Disciples would NOT think of “Self” as important...
They would remain “Servants,” And they would have a shot at remaining “Humble.”

Haven't you ever wondered - Why - NOT one of His Disciples - called them self "Leader?"

If you ask someone - Are you a “Humble Leader?” And they answer...

Yes - I’m a “Humble Leader.” - Are they?

Ron

How about a # 5? Most of these dying...
501 (c) 3, Non-Profit, Tax $ Deductible, Religious $ Corporations, the IRS calls church.
Are dying because they do NOT follow the instructions of Jesus on how to make Disciples.

Mat 28:19:20 NKJV
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations...
**teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you**

Seems easy enough - read the four Gospels - Even make a list...
Teach, observe, what Jesus Did, Taught, and Commanded His Disciples.
Teach, observe, what His Disciples Did and Taught.

BUT - I’ve noticed MOST “Church Leaders,” Most pastor/leaders, Today...
*Ignore* or *Twist* what Jesus Did and Taught and Commanded His Disciples.
And - What His Disciples “observed Jesus doing” and what they Did and Taught.

Here is some of what Jesus, “The Word of God,” taught “His Disciples”
That, for the most part, is NOT being taught in “Today’s Religious System.”

1 - NOT to be called teacher for you have “ONE” teacher, Christ. Mt 23:8 NKJV
2 - NOT to be called leader for you have “ONE” leader, Christ, Mt 23:10 NASB
.... And, NOT one of His Disciples called them self Leader.
3 - ALL shall be taught of God. Jn 6:45 KJV
.... John taught, you need NO man teach you.
4 - ALL things, shall be taught you by the Holy Spirit, God. Jn 14:26
.... Paul taught, the Gospel he preached was from God, NOT from man.
5 - ALL truth, will come as the Spirit of truth guides and leads. Jn 16:13
6 - Jesus, as man, does nothing of himself, and is taught of God. Jn 8:28
7 - Jesus is the “ONE” Shepherd, the Good Shepherd. Jn 10:11-16.
.... And, NOT one of His Disciples had the “Title” - shepherd/leader/reverend.
8 - He who speaks of himself seeks his own glory. ( Titles/Position?) Jn 7:18.
.... And, NOT one of His Disciples called themself - pastor/leader/reverend.
9 - If I honour myself, my honour is nothing. (Titles/Position?) Jn 8:54
10 - Peter, knowing Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God,
.... received *the revelation* from Father *God,* and NOT from man. Mt 16:17
.... NOT from Jesus, as man. Jesus gave “All” the glory, all the credit to God.
11 - I am among you as he that serves. Lu 22:27
12 - He that shall humble himself shall be exalted. Mt 23:12.
.... Humble - A modest or low opinion of one’s own importance.
.... And, ALL His Disciples called themselves “Servants.”

And - Jesus taught a lot in the Streets and had His Disciples DO what He DID, in the streets.
Luke 9:2.And He sent them out to preach the kingdom and Heal the sick.

Kinda hard for those who call themselves teachers/leaders, to be making Disciples of Jesus...
When Jesus taught His Disciples NOT to be called teacher - NOT to be called leader...

If someone “Ignores” what Jesus taught His Diciples?
If some one “Opposes” what Jesus taught His Diciples?

And, calls them self leader?
And allows others to call them leader?

Are they one of His Disciples?

Ron

In my experience with having been ordained - in “Church Learship.”
And with the “Title/Position” of *Today’s* pastor/leader/reverend...

“Titles” become “Idols” .............. “Idols” of the heart - Ezek14:1-11 KJV
“Pastors” become “Masters”........ A big No, No. Mat 23:10 KJV, Mat 6:24 KJV
“Leaders” become “Deceivers”..... Isa 3:12 KJV, Isa 9:16 KJV, Mat 15:14 KJV

“Church Leaders” become “Deception Breeders.” Isa 3:12 KJV, Isa 9:16 KJV

And NOT one of His Disciples called themself, or had the “Title,” pastor/leader/reverend...
And NOT one of His Disciples were, Hired or Fired, as a pastor/leader/reverend.

Jer 50:6
“My people” hath been “lost sheep:”
**THEIR shepherds** have caused them to *go astray,*

1 Pet 2:25
For ye were as *sheep going astray;*
BUT are now returned to the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

What is popular is NOT always “Truth.”
What is “Truth” is NOT always popular.

I’m Blest... I’ve returned to the Shepherd and Bishop of my soul...

{{{{{{ Jesus }}}}}}