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Alisina.org : Beat Your Muslim Wife

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 22:41:16 +0000

Yet . .. you made no point other than this: "This because Aminthemystic on the other thread claimed to be more in favor of Western Values than me and Ali Sina. But we are clear about which societal system we want to win over the winner, will Amin be clear about this? Pro democratic system, pro shariah system, like so many violent Muslims, or neutral? " See . . the whole point was to have a go at me personally . . . Here is WHY I am far more supporter of Democracy and Western Values than you . . . and far better. It is the pursuit of truth. . . 1. Bush and Blair both said their attacks were motivated by God. 2. There were rampant lies about Iraq and its WMD . . .which led to the innocent death of Dr. Kelly. 3. And we already know that there were wide spread abuses . . . and those abuses are EVERYTHING against Western Values. So . . .if a Western war is wrong . . .kills millions . . .of innocent . . .then you have problem with that? And that to him is democratic values . . . hiding the abuses of his side!!! - - - "will Amin be clear about this? Pro democratic system, pro shariah system, like so many violent Muslims, or neutral? " You do not even have the decency to ask me outright . . . I simply want Muslims to adopt good democratic values . . . give up terrorist style attacks. . . and live in peace with other nations.

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 22:22:22 +0000

"is that the readers will reject this conclusion BECAUSE I AM GOOD AT MUD-SLINGING (according to YOU, without examples). But hey, you DID say all those things discussed about the NATO-Taliban-conflict, and at times I did not answer, let alone twist somehow those thoughts of you on that conflict. So it is not logical that readers will dismiss the thought of you favoring Shariah over Democracy just because of my comments. " Evidence? Evidence? Or hence you are lying . . . - - - Most readers here will support you for being anti-Islam . . . you can lie to the nth degree . . . no one here cares . . . as long as it is against Islam. - - - I can show you Sina's mistakes . . . it will not make one iota of difference? Why - because he is lying against Islam.

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 22:20:19 +0000

Saying that West lost to beat Afghanistan . . . is a FACT. It has not beaten Afghanistan. And it is now "negotiating" with them . . . why? - - - It was wrong of West to go to war with Iraq and it has led to a mess. . . . most [if not many] people in UK were against it . . . so are they all undemocratic on that basis? Whole basis of DEMOCRACY is that you have the right to disagree . . . = = = "Since clearly the Taliban IS anti-Democratic. And you, as known Muslim, disparaging the democratic side more than you do the totalitarian side, THAT could lead to readers thinking that you actually ARE on the side of the Totalitarians. " Evidence? Evidence? See how BOGUS your BS is . . . when asked for evidence . . . you have none . . .

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 22:12:27 +0000

I asked you to bring evidence . . . You have not. Either go back and do that . . .else you are once more LYING!

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 22:11:03 +0000

You do not have a clue what Freedom of Speech is all about . . . not a single clue. -- - -- I have exposed your "Science" claims . . . and now your democracy goes the same way. -- I suggest to you . . .go an read a few good books! To find out more. I have ABSOLUTELY no respect for you whatsoever.

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 22:09:23 +0000

"It was democratic but I acknowledge that from a PR-standpoint it probably was counterproductive and it was not against Freedom of Speech that Ali Sina warned her, then banned her from HIS website. " It is NOT just PR point of view . . . but logic and decency and being reasonable! Logical, Decent and Reasonable people do not fall to this level! And they challenge such BS. - - - Or are you saying if I exercise my FREEDOM OF SPEECH to counter abuse against myself . . .then I am wrong! And also I am undermining the whole freedom of speech itself!

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 22:05:33 +0000

"It is you who undermine this value when you constant decry Julia's style as somehow being undemocratic. " THAT STYLE is . . .wrong and incorrect. It is simply illogical . . . . No sane or reasonable person engages in such style. - - - See is 100% clear that you do not know WHAT freedom of speech is . . . one has the right to be crazy . . . BUT PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE SUCH NONSENSE. . . . this is WHY you are hate monger . . . When it come to Julia and her abuse . . . YOU approve the abuse. . . No one said here RIGHT was in question . . . . So when I challenge this abuse . . . then you turn on me! - - - Hence TO you abusing people is fine and moral. Ha!

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 22:02:21 +0000

"Thanks for acknowledging my assessment of Michael Adobelajo's identification. " Do not know what you are talking about. . . I have not acknowledged anything. - - "And the comparison with me would indeed be that I identified bith Julia, but because she was clearly pro-democratic" Nope. Just because she did not say anything undemocratic does not make her democratic. And also she was a he. So "abuse" to you is democracy . . . to me it is not. - - " Julia just took freedom of speech to it's limit." Which does not make the vile abuse right . . .does it? Having to the freedom to say vile thing does not mean such vulgarity is approved. Neither it is ANY justification for you 100% backing of such person. - - " She also always pointed out that SHE felt that she as infidel was insulted by what the Quran and Hadiths-Sira said and decreed about infidels." More rampant stupidity from you . . . do you see non-Jews going about being insulted by what it says in the bible and then engaging in antisemitism? How does this justify vile abuse? Would you support her killing people on similar basis? Breivik? For example? This is how Muslim Terrorists justify themself! - - - "And you seem to think that only talking and writing in some kind of correct way and ONLY that way is some kind of Democratic, value, while it distinctly is NOT. It may be a BRITISH value but that's not a key Democratic value at all, in my opinion. Freedom of speech, especially offensive speech, THAT is A, maybe THE key Democratic value. " Once more . . . once again - you simply bypass what is put to you . . . if you do not have such basic understanding of WHAT freedom of speeci and what it isn't .. . Then you are clearly lying .. . you have not clue WHAT or WHAT ISN'T freedom of speech . . en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech So why don't you look it up . . . Julia had right to say her abuse . . . but YOU approved it! Key difference. . . you did not simply approve her right of speech . . .but APPROVED the vile abuse. . . these are 2 distinct things. - - - You are clearly lying when you say that you uphold Democratic values. . . I suggest go and read up . . . what your values are MEANT to be . . . - - - You only motivation to be here. . . is hatred of Islam and of Muslims.

Alisina.org : Beat Your Muslim Wife

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:51:40 +0000

"Evidence from your own texts to show that Muhammad was a mass murderer and a brigand. Has that been refuted? No. " Has that been presented? No. - - - "Where and when did you do that? " What are you talking about? - - - "It is evident who is brainwashed when you are required and actually accept whatever is vomited without the right to question. " Precisely . . . hence when I show you "mistakes" of Sina. . . . do I get a comment? Nope. When I ask for proofs of your claim . . . do I get an answer . . Nope. hence you are brainwashed. Thank you for agreeing. - - "That is precisely what you continue to do in spite of all the atrocities committed by Muhammad and his successors all you have done is to engage in denials. " Where? Asking you to "prove" your claims is not denial . . . else . . .even in this . . . you have to prove your claim. - - - Repeated miserable failure. . . . if it Islam is all that evil and you can prove it so easily then . . .it have been several days. . .why have you FAILED so miserably. . . You simply claim that it has been established. . . By whom? Sina? If HE is your answer . . .then I have news for you . . .Sina has not established anything . . . other than how mistaken-ridden and incorrect he is.

Alisina.org : Beat Your Muslim Wife

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:47:04 +0000

"The burden of proof shifts when the facts have been established. In this case the facts have been proved that muhammadanism is evil from the daily activities of its members." No they have not . .Else why are you having such difficulty? - - "Hardly any day passes without dozens of people being killed in different parts of the world by those brandishing the teachings of Muhammad." Yet even more are killed in the name of Western Democracy? Far more. - - " It is for you to prove otherwise. That burden has not been discharged. " No merely attempted side pass - which is completely bogus. = = = It is like someone who says "Earth is a Prism" then when asked to prove it simply says as it is a fact that Earth is a prism . . . it is for you to disprove it. - - - I do not let such stupidity pass.

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:43:19 +0000

"Any way, excuses and praises made in favor of Islam can be very extreme too. And it wouldn't fair if the one extreme was forbidden and heavily discouraged and the other one allowed to flourish. Not under freedom of speech. " Resorting back to nonsense!

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:42:47 +0000

Time and time again . . .you simply go back to your views that have already been completely exposed as being incorrect and bogus. "But many Muslims worldwide do openly support theocratic shariah societal systems and violence to achieve it, MEMRI-tv and JihadWatch are just 2 of monitoring watchdogs that frequently report that, along with motivation INTERPRETED FROM Islamic holy texts. " Freedom of Speech is about saying what you like . . .NOT approving what someone says . . . but the right of someone to say it. For example: Under Freedom of Speech . . . .one can say . . .that "Hitler is a good person and he was right to do what he did" Yet - others do not have to APPROVE this . . . and they in return have the right to challenge such BS. - - If you do NOT even know what Freedom of Speech is and isn't . . .then you are being completely dishonest that you are for "democratic values" No you are not. How can you get something so fundamental wrong?

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:38:10 +0000

"I like to respond to so much of what you say, Aminthemystic, and some of my responses would be positive. Like you acknowledging and Appreciating Richard Dawkins for what he is. But I can only answer so much. " He is a good scientist - well educated - and he writes well on science. However when it comes to religion . . . he is messed up. Even his fellow atheists have often been against him for that. He is right to avoid debating likes of Harun Yahya but William Craig Laing. Me denying or "appreciating" has nothing to do with it. Unlike you I am NOT inherently dishonest. - - - "In the big scheme of things I think Richard Dawkins would decry the attitude, behavior and threat of many Muslims much more than he would that of Ali Sina" Your opinion . . . on the same basis . . . he would praise many Muslims than Sina . . . hence the point is on no consequent. Sina is known as bigot . . . people like Dawkins would not come near him. - - - "a decrying by Dawkins of Sina that I never heard of and you never presented. " It is of the type . . .NOT about the individual person. . . .has Dawkins heard of Sina? I mean if Dawkins [who calls himself liberal] read views of Sina's he would go screaming. I mean would Dawkins want to be identified with someone whom Berivik cited as influence? - - - "Dawkins for instance must know that Ali Sina never incites" Yes he does. . . nuking all Muslims and what not. - - - "unless in ultimate self-defense" You cannot incite violence in self-defense. - - "that he instead relies on debate and verbal exposure and that Ali Sina supports no other societal system THAN the democratic one. " This is up to debate . . I asked you to read SIna's views of democracy first then answer . . .such things. You haven't. Quit nonsense. - - - "But many Muslims worldwide do openly support theocratic shariah societal systems" Theocracy is a version and subset of democracy. Democracy and Secularism are 2 different things. - - - "But many Muslims worldwide do openly support theocratic shariah societal systems and violence to achieve it, MEMRI-tv and JihadWatch are just 2 of monitoring watchdogs that frequently report that, along with motivation INTERPRETED FROM Islamic holy texts. " And those Muslims are not even close to being the majority. It is like pointing to BNP and saying this British democracy. . . .

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:17:03 +0000

When Demsci cannot answer . . .he does that. Plays the victim as good as anyone!

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:16:34 +0000

"Here you employ clear "character-assassination" without any proof or examples by saying I have a dishonest nature and that that is THE, not A, reason why I, a mere MESSENGER, am on this site. it seems part of an ad hominem-strategy, employed by you. " Wow! I have shown countless examples of your lies . . .I have been doing that all the way through. . . . Here is EVEN more staggering example of you lying . . .simply breath-taking. We have spoken in the past . . . YOU do know that . . . yet . . . - - "But the debate here is not about honest or dishonest, intelligent or stupid, logical or illogical posters, and so not about you and me, but it is about their and our messages. " More pathetic nonsense . . . this is about your comments . . . - - I see you have chosen not to answer what was asked . . . rather focus on your own self . .. by trying to highlight how victimised you are . . . And lie even at that!

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:12:49 +0000

You are nothing more than a hate monger . . . nothing more. - - You do NOT stand for Democracy or for Science. And I suspect - I am far better a student and upholder of these values than you. Evidence? Past exchanges. . . . - - It is completely unacceptable and stupid one one hand to say you stand for science and on the other hand . . . than go against "logic". Example? I was 100% person right to chide someone over saying "that just do a Google search" is illogical. And it is illogical . . . Do not take my word for it . . . ask other people - outside of this forum . . . .and they will agree. . . Yet you attempted to support the nonsense . . . . - - So how come you are a man of science and science values . . .then go against these values? Then there was "burden of proof" issue . . .I can show you your comments that attempt to justify that proof is not needed. And that is COMPLETELY Illogical. - - - So - you are utterly lying when you say you are with science . . . you are not. You are simply against Muslims and Islam. . . and nothing will stand in your way . . . with that hatred. Nothing.

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:07:17 +0000

"Anyway I am ONLY here to defend key Democratic values (not Western per se) here. As I am NOT here to discuss some kind of superior position of Darwinism versus religion, because that would put me on a collision course with valuable Christian Democratic allies. " Ha! In other words . . you are here against Muslims . . . then in that other post . . . you were looking for evidence for your rampant bigotry. . . Here it is! - - "And so for me it would be just great to finally come to discuss on my turf, which is Democratic values" And what are these er . . . values? - - "I am very much inclined to take you on, but let me just say we two should limit the number and length of our posts and leave enough room for others to make their points with as much or more bandwith as we two take. We risk boring people or people skipping our comments if we take up too much bandwith. " BS. . . quit playing the daddy and stop the nonsense. I have exposed so many rampant lies from you . ..it is sickening. In the past you have justified vile insults against me . . .hence you have clear personal hatred of me . . . on that basis. . . it is NOT possible for you to enter a discussion with me. . . Is it? - - I want you to to 1st of all . . .go to that post where your praising of Sina is . . . and JUSTIFY the objections i have raised. Quit this nonsense. . . and quit lying. And we can come back to this and have a civil conversation. - - - You are completely DISHONEST . . . we have in the past discussed this to some extent. . . and no mention of that . . . this I find to be completely DISHONEST on your part.

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:01:14 +0000

"You should n't be so arrogant criticizing and demeaning other posters, when you yourself present exactly the same sort alleged mistakes as you tell them they make, like saying illogical things or making claims without evidence. " Oh but I do not . . . . and YOU have not proved a single one . . . exposingsina.wordpress.com Look at your dishonesty and sheer lying. . . . uh . . . why am I not a bit surprised? Why? Because you JUSTIFIED and SUPPORTED 100% abuse against me . . .vile abuse from 2 people [mostly Julia]. So on that basis . . . it obvious . . .YOU ARE NOT GOING to be the least bit truthful about me. . . after all . . .if you can justify such abuse against me . . . what is there to heap such lies? - - I mean - on the above basis - do you have qualms about killing me? Do you support Sina when he says there are no innocent Muslim deaths?

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:58:14 +0000

Dishonest Dishonest http://exposingsina.wordpress.com/ Your lying is totally absurd . . .you are, it seems, completely obsessed in trying to answer me . . but end up FLAT - and repeatedly so. Lie after lie . . . That address is how I deal with Sina's "mistakes" . . . and you already know that . .. Yet your dishonesty . . . is that what your values are? Shameless lies? - - - "And it is possibly also a significant part of the way you reviewed Ali Sina's book and articles too. " Really? So when I first commented and blew open his BS . . . in many comments . . .then you could not answer . . . Now "possibly"? See - how dishonest you are . . . .

Alisina.org : Islam is the Emperor's New Clothe

Sat, 12 Oct 2013 20:55:28 +0000

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