en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/608313 Comments by undertow http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/michigan/Smoke-ban-compliance-off-to-good-start#IDComment75482844 i don't want to go to a smoking lounge i want to go to a bar and have a beer and a smoke. and until this law passed I could do that so yes we have had a freedom taken from us. and as for websters f$ck websters. and i am sorry your mother was not responsible enough to not smoke while she was pregnant and not smoke around you as a child but that has nothing to do with the smoking ban so save it for another debate about iresponsible parents. if you were allergic to trees would you want the state to cut down all trees for you and people like you? I cant have most nuts so should the state make resturaunts not use almonds in deserts and food? you are totally missing the point and maybe you should look every word you read up in websters and then you might be able to get my point. Fri, 14 May 2010 23:50:12 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/michigan/Smoke-ban-compliance-off-to-good-start#IDComment75482844 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/michigan/Smoke-ban-compliance-off-to-good-start#IDComment75474365 ok but.... i am not complaining about a family resturaunt or a playground i am talking about a bar, you go to a bar to drink or smoke or do both. and don't be fooled by the media saying it is for concern of public health it is part of their agenda to try and force people to quit smoking without making it illegal. i do not smoke in my house and do not smoke in the car with my kids and anyone elses kids for that matter. you are a sheep following the rest of the flock, you don't care about your freedoms being taken away unless it is a freedom you care about. how will you feel when the govt. will try to take your child away from you because it is too obese? sound crazy well it is already happening in some countries with universal health care. what if we make silicone breast implants ilegal? i am a man but i still would be mad because i feel that what a woman does to her body is her freedom. Fri, 14 May 2010 22:26:35 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/michigan/Smoke-ban-compliance-off-to-good-start#IDComment75474365 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/ottawa_county/Should-Holland-ban-discrimination#IDComment75182063 what about the states latest discrimination against smokers and telling bar owners what to do? Thu, 13 May 2010 03:29:32 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/ottawa_county/Should-Holland-ban-discrimination#IDComment75182063 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/ottawa_county/Can-a-county-require-SSNs-for-marriage#IDComment74989435 we may be able to trace our roots to other countries but we are still here leagally. our country has a process for people wishing to become leagal citizens for a reason, why should we allow people to cheat the system when others play by the rules. i will welcome any person from any country with open arms providing they do it leagally. and as far as going back to my country i am in my country I have not nor will i ever pledge allegance to any country but america. Wed, 12 May 2010 02:08:48 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/ottawa_county/Can-a-county-require-SSNs-for-marriage#IDComment74989435 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/ottawa_county/Can-a-county-require-SSNs-for-marriage#IDComment74975591 so how does allowing them to be here illeagally to do our grunt work better mexicans as a people? wouldn't it make more sense to encourage them to come here leagally, learn the language get a job that pays double what they make picking fruits have health insurance and not live off welfare? you say that we are dicriminating them because we want them to be here leagally where they can take advantage of oppurtunities our country offers, i say it is people like you who are holding mexicans back by allowing them to settle for a job working in a field rather than encouraging them to live the american dream the leagal way! Tue, 11 May 2010 23:49:20 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/ottawa_county/Can-a-county-require-SSNs-for-marriage#IDComment74975591 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/michigan/Smoke-ban-compliance-off-to-good-start#IDComment73933566 why is it that when people smoke in a public place suddenly the govt wants to protect the employees. but there are jobs everywhere that expose their employees to things more dangerous than smoking. Crab fisherman for example should we outlaw the sale of crab because crab fisherman have too dangerous of a job? what is next passing a law making americans buy the safest car most expensive car or they can't drive? cause cars kill too. might as well take all guns away no more hunting cause some one could get shot. h e l l our vice president shot some one in the face and he still has the right to own a gun and hunt. better close all churches cause it causes too much traffic on sundays and people might die. better close police departments and fire departments those employees have way too dangerous of a workplace too. oh and lets make it illeagal for our country to go to war. a soldier in a war has got to be more dangerous than someone working in a bar that allows smoking. Sat, 8 May 2010 00:07:45 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/michigan/Smoke-ban-compliance-off-to-good-start#IDComment73933566 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72604650 no appologies needed after all this is called intense debate right. but it is appreciated. Wed, 5 May 2010 03:25:22 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72604650 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72588209 I can see where you are coming from i am married and sleep with the same woman every night so i don't find myself in situations where i have to worry too much about being falsely accused. at the end of the day neither one of us would make a good jurror in this case cause we both feel very strong about the side we take when it comes to rape. well it has been fun but my trailor has a flat tire and i need to take out my white trash so my old lady don't gripe at me... LOL Wed, 5 May 2010 02:18:22 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72588209 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72585611 no just racist people make me mad. I try to get along with people of all races, and i know white people have done some horrible things in the past, and i am sick of being treated like crap for something that happened hundreds of years ago. Wed, 5 May 2010 02:07:22 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72585611 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72581626 in a earlier post you threw out the numbers 1 in every 14 rapes is a false report where the woman was lying. last i checked 1 was not a "majority" of 14 so why are these women "suspect " of lying? and just for the record i do feel that if one innocent man is put in jail, that is too many. and woman have nuts. if they are married most of them have their husbands in their purse. Wed, 5 May 2010 01:51:44 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72581626 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72565060 so all women lie because they got into a car and ditched their friends and did not have the nuts to tell their friends. well that settles it then we should never investigate rape cases, we should just assume all women lie about being raped because they don't want to tell their friends that they were having fun with someone else. thanks for clearing that up for me. one more thing if i own a blue car does that mean all cars are blue? Wed, 5 May 2010 00:43:20 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72565060 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72548006 I don't understand that if these boys are such sweet angels and these girls are out to get them then what did these perfect angels do to make these girls mad enough to lie about something so serious? if they are such great individuals then why don't the have a girlfriend to share since they it sounds like they are into that kind of thing then they could spend time tag teaming their girlfriend and they would have an alibi next time some one says they raped them. Tue, 4 May 2010 23:30:48 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72548006 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72517268 first of all i realize that what happened to native americans was horrible but i was not there and had nothing to do with it. how long will you use that as a crutch?? as far as education just because some one has more degrees than a thermometer does not make them smart. i am sorry that i have to pay for my college and it takes me longer to get and education because I have to balance family, work and school and i don't get free school like you. I will agree that there are alot of white people on welfare too. i feel you missed my point. you said white trash gets jealous when some one from another country is sucessful. my point is if you are anything but a white american you are given every oppurtunity to be sucessful by getting school paid for. for someone who tries to come off as objective and non biassed you sure seem to have your mind made up about white people. hipocrit! and as far as me being sorry you are correct I am sorry that there are bitter people like yourself that can not let go of the past and live in the present. you are part native american 100% a$$hole Tue, 4 May 2010 21:17:41 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72517268 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72208314 no, when you are from another country you get handouts from churches and everyone else and that makes americans mad because we should spend the money to help our citizens before we try and bring more needy people into our country. we bend over backwards trying to help other countries and they spit in our face to show thanks. If you don't like the people in our country then go home. Tue, 4 May 2010 00:05:17 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72208314 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72202932 maybe they were innocent the first time but there are two things that bug me 1 what kind of sick individual would want to have sex with their brother in the same room and then give brother sloppy seconds? I don't have a brother but i know that i would not want him in the room while i was having sex if i did have one. 2 if you were accused of raping someone and you got the charges dropped wouldn't you be careful not to put yourself in a posistion to be accused of raping some one with your brother again? Mon, 3 May 2010 23:43:35 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/kent_county/Two-brothers-accused-of-rape-again#IDComment72202932 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/muskegon_county/Smoking-ban-compliance-prompts-change#IDComment71223970 I understand it says the law is to "protect the employees" so should we only serve salads at resturants because employees may eat food that is bad for them? I am mad because the govt is eliminating our freedom to choose little by little that was what made america different from the rest of the world is we had the freedom to make our own choices good or bad. if you take away our right to choose are we still free? The govt is the equivelant to the over protective mom that bubble wraps her child so if it falls it wont get hurt. I also understand that this law was passed with good intentions but the road to h e l l is paved with good intentions. Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:18:35 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/muskegon_county/Smoking-ban-compliance-prompts-change#IDComment71223970 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/muskegon_county/Smoking-ban-compliance-prompts-change#IDComment71214479 I enjoy smoking, I dont feel that a family in a resturaunt needs to breathe my second hand smoke, however a bar is a place where adults gather to smoke and or drink children are not allowed for a reason cause they could be exposed to bad things how does it prove your point that smokers are the dumbest animals on the earth? I am just not afraid to die I know when it is my time it will be my time whether i have smoked all my life or not i could be on a plane that crashes it doesn't matter. Why not enjoy life with the time we are given. Thu, 29 Apr 2010 01:52:14 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/muskegon_county/Smoking-ban-compliance-prompts-change#IDComment71214479 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/muskegon_county/Smoking-ban-compliance-prompts-change#IDComment71204773 here is an idea lets make it illeagal to pray in church and lets see how all you hipocrits feel when one of your freedoms is taken from you. I can see not allowing smoking in resturaunts but bars come on that is ignorant. as for the employees how is a smokey bar any worse than the factory filled with metal dust that is breathed in, or the guy that is stuck working with fiberglass all day. who the hell asked any one to protect the worker in a bar most people that work around smoke do it for good tips and money. Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:20:46 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/muskegon_county/Smoking-ban-compliance-prompts-change#IDComment71204773 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/ottawa_county/Smoking-ban-What-about-enforcement#IDComment68313509 If you don't like smoking then don't go to places that allow smoking, telling people they can't smoke at a bar is like saying that they can't sell hot dogs, nachos or the 5th third heart attack burger at a ballgame because it is bad for you. who gives a $hit if you don't like my smoke then stay the h e l l away from me. where are all the tea baggers to protest this one?????? or is it ok for the govt to control what smokers do. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 03:24:12 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/ottawa_county/Smoking-ban-What-about-enforcement#IDComment68313509 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/grand_rapids/tax-day-means-tea-parties#IDComment68290879 well put Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:53:31 +0000 http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/grand_rapids/tax-day-means-tea-parties#IDComment68290879