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15 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - Man arrested for shini... · 0 replies · -30 points

no-not 60 tiime more powerful. A red pen laser in typically 1.5mW , while the green are 0.75mW. A mW is one watt divided by 1000. Green light is about 40 to 60 time more bright because your eye is more sensitive to it; because of this it can be considered less dangerous. The amount of light hitting the pilots eye is very low and not dangerous at all. The laser light will diverge and be about the size of a small house at a mile. 1mW of light power spread over a small house - how much laser power is entering the pupel of your eye? Very very small. I agree it is a distraction, but not dangerous.
Bright light is not more damaging. A deep red or UV laser will not be bright at all, be cause extream damage if teh power levels are right - you won't even know your indanger until it is too late. A green pen lazer will give the person time to look-adversion time.
HE should not be shinning lasers at airplanes bar none, but it is not as dangerous as peaple have made it to be.

15 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - ボーイングのス�... · 0 replies · +1 points

Hello USAlabor,
As I post yesterday - There are agencies (private and governmental) that perform market studies that 'help' determine the pay scales for different jobs within the country and state; but not set them. As an employer, one can 'subscribe to their help' or 'guess' for your self. My guess is Boeing does their own studies as does the IAM /SPEEA groups and each study is bias in their own way.
When I worked for a research and engineering company, and hired engineers, I used a 'job shop' contract company to help determine what the pay scales where. During the interviews I disclosed this information, so that we all know what the pay scales where based on. As you know, these pay scales change from job to job, experience to experience and location to location. Determining base pay was easy; factoring in what the other benefits were worth was more difficult and some what subjective.
Thanks for listening.

15 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - Boeing strikers encour... · 0 replies · +1 points

That is not what I said.
I said:
-Even with the tax breaks, the costs of doing business elsewhere (other state or country)is lower.
-Your strike is increasing the cost of doing business within this state.
-Boeing will always choose the long term low cost option

15 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - ボーイングのス�... · 1 reply · 0 points

Good point.
There are agencies (private and governmental) that perform market studies that 'help' determine the pay scales for different jobs within the country and state; but not set them.
As an employer, one can 'subscribe to their help' or 'guess' for your self. My guess is Boeing does their own studies as does the IAM /SPEEA groups and each study is bias in their own way.
Thanks�

15 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - ボーイングのス�... · 0 replies · +1 points

yooyanks,
It was nice to actually receive a friendly informative reply. You have helped me 'see' things in a different picture. I don't have a rebuttal and I would have to understand all of your previous 'take aways' in order to formulate one.
I am a firm believer that each employee should be paid according to their abilities and worth to the company. I also believe that a well run company should pass out the riches when the time are good. The converse is also true too. There is always a fine line between 'passing out the riches' and reinvest it else where; a well run company will pass out enough riches and reinvest wisely.
From what I hear you're saying is "Boeing is not a well run company when it come to 'sharing the riches' vs. reinvesting". I'm making the assumption Boeing is investing its $$ somewhere other than IAM workers.
I do hope you all will return to work soon.
Thanks for the 'friendly' post.

15 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - ボーイングのス�... · 3 replies · -3 points

Reading this and other post, I have seen many ‘long term’ Boeing employees posting. If Boeing is such a bad unfair place to work, why be there? Why be there for so long? Lets’ assume it is a great place to work, so why are you all so mad?

15 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - ボーイングのス�... · 3 replies · -2 points

Greedy, define greedy. When the IAM workers are being paid industry standards for their skill level, how then is Boeing being greedy? Do you not want the Boeing Company to make money? Would you rather see the cash surpluses released to workers instead of invested into new airplane/production development? Part of the success the 787 is the new materials that it is made from. Boeing invested huge sums of cash in order to develop and certify this material. Do you want Boeing stop with its R&D funding by giving that money to the workers? Yes, Boeing has money, but they invest it into your future.
No Line move? Airbus has a first rate, very efficient A320 manufacturing system in Europe. Airbus is also building an A320 line in China. With the 787 orders nearing 900, and considering its potential, there are plenty of opportunities to start else where.
So, don’t kid your selves…..Boeing will always opt for the long term low cost solution.

15 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - Boeing strikers encour... · 0 replies · +1 points

I have no idea who you are and what you make.
Both IAM and SPEEA pay scales are easily accessed.
As I said before, I am not in Boeing management.
Most business decisions are based on reducing their overall costs.
I said "IF" Boeing builds a new line, it will be based on the lowest cost business model.
Since Boeing is a Global Company they have lots of options open to them.
From my understanding, there are other states (maybe countries) that offer lower cost solutions; regardless of the tax (WA) credits you mentioned earlier.
I am not claiming to have special powers, insight or insider info. I am claiming that your strike is raising the cost of doing business within Washington State, hence lowering your chances of seeing a second 787 line.

15 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - Boeing strikers encour... · 3 replies · 0 points

IAMWorker,
I can not tell you what Boeing will do, nor what you make. I can say that for the aerospace industries, Boeing workers, IAM and SPEEA are compensated at or above industry standards. I can also assure you that if Boeing decides on a 2nd 787 production line, the location will be based on the low cost business model. There are other states, east of the Mississippi that will be lower cost than Everett. The IAM strike is only increasing the cost of doing business within Washington. This strike will increase the cost of delivering every 7n7 built in Everett. Increasing the short and long term costs of each aircraft build in Everett, does not increase your job security or give you a bigger pay check.
Why aren't the IAM workers in Huntington Beach on strike?

15 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - Boeing strikers encour... · 5 replies · -3 points

Am 'I' Boeing management? No I'm not, but I have in the past worked closely with them.
I know that Boeing could build another 787 line in Everett. It could make good financial sense to do this. Unfortunately, the cost of doing business in Washington is very high. In order to be competitive with a 'state funded' Airbus, Boeing must reduce its costs across the board; if/when another production line is formed.

DebateMan-
How about just letting let the market decide what your skills set is worth.
I have seen Boeing strikers come looking for jobs.
Boeing has some very skilled workers that 'other companies' would like to employee. Unfortunately, your strike has caused other companies to slow/stop production; job cuts. Also, flooding the market with workers.

So - If you can make more money as a 'pipe fitter', go for it.
If you can make more money as a 'dry waller', go for it.
IF you can find better work within a union or not, go for it.
If you believe they offer better year around job security, then please make your move.
If you find other types of work more full filling than building airplanes with Boeing, then go for it.

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