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9 years ago @ Equestria Daily - Finding Love Through P... · 0 replies · +36 points

Oh God this is amazing! It's like reading about celebrities getting engaged, except I actually care about those two, and it is just amazing!

9 years ago @ Equestria Daily - Even Miley Cyrus is Re... · 1 reply · +2 points

First off, the first part of your argument isn't true. You do not know her, and neither do I. For all we know, her behavior on TV can be radically different from her behavior in private – she could be an entirely different person inside that puts on a 'mask' when in public (I know it's extremely unlikely, but can you say for absolute certain that this can't be the case?).

Once again, you are trying to derail the conversation. I am not, and never did say that you can't dislike her, or even hate her. Nor did I say people shouldn't have a negative reaction towards her bad behavior – don't put words in my mouth. You seem to have either missed the point, or ignored my previous comment – my problem with this situation is that as of right now, in this case, people show negative reaction towards one of the few cases of her GOOD behavior. I mean come on – how in the world is showing support to us a bad behavior?

As for 'giving her a chance': Right now, she seems (!) to have good intentions regarding the show and the fandom. Why chase her away? Sure, you can have your doubts whether there is some ulterior motive in her behavior, yes, but you can't penalise her on doubts alone. Similarly, you are fully entitled to carry a dislike for her because of her past deeds, but then you should show your negative reaction in relation to those deeds, and not to this one! Let's say, hypothetically, that she is trying to redeem herself in some way (I'm not saying she is, I say she potentially could be). If you chase her away like that, or provide massive negative reaction at the very beginning, you might discourage her from it, as "They won't accept me anyway, I'll forever be the evil broad, why even try?"

9 years ago @ Equestria Daily - Even Miley Cyrus is Re... · 3 replies · +3 points

Another one... I didn't say you should like her. I said you should give her a chance and see how she acts towards bronies and the community. Let's look at the facts here: She posted a few posts related to ponies, which seem to show a modicum of support towards MLP and bronies in general. The reaction of a fair share of bronies consists of insults, and of proclaiming that they do not want her anywhere near the fandom.

Do you see the problem there? She is trying (or at least seems to be trying - I can't claim I know her real intentions) to somehow support MLP and the fandom, and we return the favour by being mean and insultive. That just doesn't seem right to me, no matter who the person showing support is.

9 years ago @ Equestria Daily - Even Miley Cyrus is Re... · 0 replies · +3 points

Hmm... I don't know. I like assertive women, yet I can't say I approve of Miley's behavior either. After all, there is a difference between being assertive, and rubbing your genitals in front of kids. Some might call me too conservative, but I don't think children should be subjected to that...

Still, I think that bronies should give Miley a chance. Perhaps she simply found a show she likes, and wishes to lend her support in some way. There is nothing wrong with that that I can imagine, and as such, I believe a small token of appreciation or even just acknowledgment is in order, rather than 'OMG how dares she show support to us! She's like a plague - anything she touches is forever tainted and she's basically damaging us and giving us cancer and who knows what else!' Should it turn out she's just trying to boost her career at our expense or similar, then by all means, go ahead and rage at her. But I think we should all wait before and if that happens, rather than punish her for something she didn't do.

9 years ago @ Equestria Daily - Even Miley Cyrus is Re... · 1 reply · +1 points

Now that is an outright strawman argument. I didn't say you CAN'T dislike her, I said you should try to keep an open mind, and that you shouldn't spout your hate outright. Indeed, by all means, do dislike her. But I find it only fair to give her a chance to show her behavior towards MLP and the fandom BEFORE verbally assaulting her and telling her we do not want her. In other words, it's kind of like judging the book by its cover. We saw her acting badly during her performances, on TV, etc., but we haven't seen her behave badly in relation to ponies. Let's wait and see, shall we? :)

I compared her to autists because, just like her in your worldview, they happen to give bronies a 'bad image' in certain circles. It was a purposeful hyperbolical simile which's point was to highlight the ridiculity of your outlined logic. Since your initial logic seemed to be 'If it gives us bad image, we should distance ourselves from it', I assumed the responsibility for the image was irrelevant, as you didn't mention it.

I have never ever tried to force you into anything – it sounds like yet another part of your strawman argument. As outlined above, I'm merely trying to suggest ('suggest' does not equal 'force') that we should keep an open mind and judge her by her actions AFTER those actions actually happen, not before (talking about actions related to the fandom and MLP of course). For all we know, she might have found a show she honestly likes and from which she can learn quite a bit. If we go and tell her we dislike her and that she shouldn't be in the fandom, etc., all we achieve is driving her away from the fandom, potentially even from the show itself, thus making her learn nothing, and effectively preventing her from making the change that you yearn for. I do not say that this is the case, I say that it COULD, theoretically, be the case, and we should act accordingly.

9 years ago @ Equestria Daily - Even Miley Cyrus is Re... · 3 replies · +4 points

First off, a person doesn't represent the whole. You yourself put the word proof into quotes, which makes me assume you know that as well, but wish to placate ignorant masses by not even providing room for this logical fallacy. However, trying to keep the whole 'pure' is a ridiculously pointless, impossible attempt. There are no gatekeepers who say who is and who isn't in the fandom - people who act indecently or badly will simply join whether we want it or not, and there is no avoiding that. Not to mention that even though those people might act sub-optimally, it doesn't mean they don't contribute positively. Indeed, an artist can behave obnoxiously in public, yet create pony-related masterpieces in private. By trying to expel those people out of the fandom because of parts of their personality, we are acting no better than they.

There is also a second part of the argument: why should we even try to bow down to people's ignorance and try as hard as we can to prevent a logical fallacy? It makes no sense whatsoever! Those smart know that the whole argument is invalid, and the not-so-smart will do as they always do - believe whatever they want, regardless of evidence. Indeed, it is my opinion that first and foremost should come the fandom itself - we know that Miley Cyrus doesn't represent us, and what do we care about what some ignorant troglodyte thinks?

Lastly, it is not just about enjoying the show, it is also about being a part of the fandom. Of interacting with other bronies. And that can indeed be hampered by us 'not accepting her'. I mean refuse a fan on the basis of image? Many people call bronies autistic - shall we ban autists from the fandom next? Or 'neckbeards'? Will there be some kind of committee that decides who is allowed to be a part of the fandom, and who is not? Of course not. I say, let anyone join, and see how they behave inside the fandom, towards the fandom. If they are rude to other fans, visibly try to shovel dirt on ponies, etc., then yes. By all means, go and tell them they are no longer wanted, ban them from all kinds of convention and meetups, and submit an article in the papers, informing the world that that person is not a brony. But until then, please try to keep an open mind and treat Miley Cyrus and whoever else decides to join like any other fan.

9 years ago @ Equestria Daily - Early Morning Discussi... · 0 replies · +1 points

Shameless self-promotion much? :D

9 years ago @ Equestria Daily - Early Morning Discussi... · 0 replies · +2 points

Let's hope that what happened in Gravity won't happen here... But I suppose Derpy would at least get an Oscar.

9 years ago @ Equestria Daily - Even Miley Cyrus is Re... · 0 replies · +9 points

You are pretty much spot on. Love and tolerance got kinda forgotten post season 3, but that's no reason to start being outright hateful. and intolerant.

9 years ago @ Equestria Daily - Even Miley Cyrus is Re... · 12 replies · +11 points

Come on, people, drop the hate! Presumption of innocence and all that – judge her by her actions towards the fandom and MLP. So what if she acts indecently on TV? As long as it doesn't harm bronies, I see no reason for it to be considered relevant. So far, all she did was show interest and support. Why be angry at her for that?

It is also questionable just how many of the people who criticise her here actually dislike her, and how many shout obscenities at her just because she happens to be unpopular on the internet.