en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/758686 Comments by squirrelsrevil https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/isnt-migration-conflict-inevitable__trashed/#IDComment69985781 That video Sam showed that compared the pilgrims to immigrants of today did put things in an interesting perspective. But think about it the "natives" now would be the actual Native Americans then and I'm sure you would be feeling the same way about immigrants. But if you think about it from the point of being a descendant of the pilgrims, then you would be the immigrant and you would want people to let you into their land so you can have the same opportunities for a better life. It is all just a matter of which perspective you use. I agree with the guy making this comment about the fact that they are not identical situations, but I think that the reasons are different, not because we went to war. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:44:49 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/isnt-migration-conflict-inevitable__trashed/#IDComment69985781 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment69980644 Okay, as an avid South Park enthusiast, I was extremely pissed off at the editing Comedy Central used. I understand that Matt and Treys' lives were indirectly threatened but the Muslim prophet was never shown and he said maybe three words in an episode. The news report said the extremist group was angered by Muhammad being put into a mascot costume, but it turned out to be Santa in the costume. They had no reason to be angry and especially to go as far as to threaten their lives. Plus as other big South Park fans may know, Matt and Trey have used images of Muhammad on their show previously, when they used the Super Best Friends before. No one seemed to be offended then, so why the big change now, when even less about him was used? Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:24:50 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment69980644 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/letter-from-an-inmate__trashed/#IDComment69847968 At first glance, an automatic act of compassion coming from men who were convicted of murder seems really strange and almost unbelievable to me. When I think of someone in prison for murder, I imagine hardened deranged men with blood stained hands, who are almost proud of what they have done. But then I read the letter again and thought about it a little more. Then I realized that I was not all that surprised to hear about these men, who are locked away for life, being open emotionally and being compassionate. Think about it, most crimes, especially murder, are crimes of passion; emotional impulses to take action. If anything, it should be surprising to not see things like this from this kind of person. I don't think these men are emotionally repressed and closed off, I think that they are overly emotional and are many times more open with their feelings than most of us in the outside world. I mean, I'm not an emotional person whatsoever. I keep almost everything to myself and only share if its something big primarily. And most of my friends are the same way, guys and girls alike. I guess that if you're in prison for life, then there really is no reason to be closed off, because what more do you have to lose? On that note, I kinda think that might make people in prison more free to be themselves and be free than most of us living in the outside world. There shouldn't be very much pressure to fit in with everyone and act a certain way. I think that it'd be a completely different society in there with completely different rules to follow. I think that something interesting to think about is what kind of person or who do you think you would be if you grew up in a different society? I don't think I would be anywhere near the same person, and I do not think anyone else would be either. On a side note, I'm pretty impressed at this man's writing abilities and grammar skills. I mean when I think of people who didn't graduate high school, I think of people with poor grammatical skills and probably don't have the best in the ways of writing abilities. I am sure that he's gotten some sort of formal learning during his time in prison, but thinking about people that I know, if you grow up speak with bad grammar, then it usually sticks no matter how much education you get. Especially in prison, where I wouldn't really think that something like writing skills would be something all that important to inmates. Well since taking this class a lot of my viewpoints have changed, I guess this is one I should consider changing too. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:57:05 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/letter-from-an-inmate__trashed/#IDComment69847968 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/the-tyranny-of-radical-muslims__trashed/#IDComment68442741 I can understand why her husband dies a little inside whenever he sees someone of his faith doing things that are terrible like Osama Bin Laden. Its the same way for me when I see someone that I could identify with, or someone that other people identify with me, that does something wrong and is shunned by the world. It is probably to a much greater degree than me because not much is known about Muslim culture by most Americans. I know it's not right but when most Americans hear the words Islam or Muslim, they immediately think about terrorists. It is a big problem, and it's a shame that a lot of good people are unfairly treated because of a few radicals, but I don't really know what can be done to fix it. I mean if it were possible for a world wide PR campaign to make everyone understand what Islam is really all about, then I'd suggest doing it. But who has the resources for something like that? Bottom line is the Islamic radicals and terrorists have ruined the image of Muslims everywhere and people need to know that its not true of everyone. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:18:00 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/the-tyranny-of-radical-muslims__trashed/#IDComment68442741 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-might-be-the-second-step__trashed/#IDComment68430058 I feel like the next step after feeling some way about slavery and consuming products made by slaves would be to make the personal choice to not use those products. And I agree with what Sam said about how you can't just pick and choose between the products that you want to stop using and keep using. If you really feel some way about slavery then stop using all of them or none of them. I also think that thats the reason why Sam stopped before getting to the second step in the process. Almost everything we use on a daily basis was made using some sort of slave labor and it would be virtually impossible to stop using all products like that. But I still think that if you feel strongly enough then giving up slave made products is worth a shot. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:27:56 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-might-be-the-second-step__trashed/#IDComment68430058 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-the-men__trashed/#IDComment68427891 Men have just as much pressure to conform to a certain image as women do. The only thing is there are a lot of different stereotypes a man can be, not just the one or two that most women feel pressure to be like. There's the tough guy emotionally stoic man, the frat boy image, pretty boy,..etc. So the focus for men isn't just based on one way a man has to be unlike the way it is for women. The female stereotype of the thin blonde hair and such is really the only stereotype you hear about for women, so that one body image is focused in on more. I think the pressure for men comes from a different place than it does for women too. I think the pressure to conform comes from the people closer to them, like their friends and family, especially their male friends. If a guy wants to have guy friends, he'll look and act like the people he wants to be around. Also, a big influence comes from family. My dad is a pretty quiet guy who doesn't really talk about emotions or feelings and he raised me to be kind of the same way. I'm not trying to be offensive but he thinks that guys who are really emotional and "pretty boys" are gay. So there is pressure for me to be the kind of man that he would accept. The pressure from women comes from society in general I think. All the media images and external influences that are telling them that they have to be beautiful and what beautiful is, thats what the female pressure is. It is completely different than the things that men face, but I feel like the pressure to conform is about equal amounts. It really just depends on how much each individual person pays attention to these forces and how much they care about what other people think of them. Because in reality, if a person does not care whether or not they belong to some group and doesn't care what people think about them, then why would they try to follow the stereotypes and "requirements" to belong here? There's always going to be pressure to conform to the mainstream image of men and women. Its up to the people to decide that they want to maintain their individuality if they want to do away with the stereotypes and the pressure to conform to them. It is up to people to create their own identity and not pay attention to who the media is telling them to be. If people don't like all the pressure, then there's two choices, either just give up and follow it or ignore it and live your own life. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:09:51 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-the-men__trashed/#IDComment68427891 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/this-is-totally-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment66891386 The first thing I have to ask about this is, what kind of person would create this game? What happened in that man's life to even come up with a game that solely revolves around stalking and raping women? Also what kind of system would allow this game to be passed on to the public, and even world wide? I know Japan is extremely different from the United States and they have some customs that seem strange to me, but I always thought rape was basically a taboo in modern cultures. Furthermore, how disturbed are the people who actually buy and play these games? I know that video games are supposed to be a way to escape from real life for a little while, but I think rape is a place people shouldn't want to escape to. Video games are intended to be for recreation and as a small escape from reality. You can be anyone, someone completely different from yourself and do things that only could happen in your imagination. And games continually are pushing the envelope more and more to the edges of what a human mind should grasp. In the entire Grand Theft Auto series, you play as various characters who roam around cities killing, stealing from and beating people. There's been a lot of controversy surrounding those games, but so far have not been banned. Another controversial video game series is Mortal Kombat. There have always been complaints from parents saying that the games are too violent and gory for people to play, but that hasn't stopped the series from being highly successful and having a huge following. In fact, the last game in the series, Mortal Kombat vs. DC Comics, there were complaints from fans about the lack of gore involved. So for the next release in the series the game designers have said that they are going all out with every violent bloody move each character makes. Games like these are also heavily steeped in activities and sights that no one would ever think of doing in real life, yet we Americans have supported multiple releases of each of the series. Though these rape games and their creators are disturbing, as well as the people who play these games, we have to keep in mind that they are just games. I think that there should be people speaking out against these kinds of games because of the unacceptable behavior in them, but they still are only games. There are no studies that show that violent behavior in video games makes people more violent in real life. So I don't think that anyone who plays these video games will become any more disturbed than they already are. Fri, 9 Apr 2010 22:59:26 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/this-is-totally-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment66891386 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/is-quality-the-question__trashed/#IDComment65605101 Affirmative action doesn't really work that way. Just because someone is a minority in some way doesn't mean they automatically get the job. In the case of a hospital, it won't just hire someone because he or she is black, brown, or whatever. You still have to have the right qualifications and skill set to even be considered for the job. Maybe there's a white doctor out there whose a little more qualified than a black one and the black one gets hired, well I'm sure that better qualified white doctor won't have an issue finding a job if he's that much better than the rest of the pack. If used the wrong way affirmative action can be a huge problem in places like hospitals, but you have to think that the people running those places aren't dumb enough to use it in such a bad way. Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:17:51 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/is-quality-the-question__trashed/#IDComment65605101 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/the-white-minorities__trashed/#IDComment65602975 I really do not see this as that big of a deal. The amount of minorities in this country has been increasing for years and I don't think thats been a big deal. If anything I think this could bring about better race relations in the United States. People would be forced to be around more people of different ethnic groups and have the opportunity to change some stereotypes and make things better for everyone. I really do not think that much as far as the politics will change either, well not right away anyway. A majority of those in power are still white and as long as that's the case then not much will change. If this trend does keep going in the way these people are predicting then I'm sure a point in time will come where people the people in power will reflect the population, but I don't think that time will come until the race relations in the public improve. Maybe that will spark a world wide change in race relations, but hey thats most likely just wishful thinking for world peace that'll probably never come close to happening. There is a downside of this happening is people don't like change. There's a lot of white people who would be pretty upset if the norms and customs they were used to changed. And that might cause a large amount of backlash and possible civil unrest. This change could take longer than the 2050 that is being predicted. Just because the birth rate could change doesn't mean that white people won't be in power and in charge of the policies that govern us will change. Even then it'll probably take years of protests and equality movements to change things anyway. So things changing all of a sudden in 2050 is kind of a joke to me. The birth rates changing isn't necessarily going to continue on this pattern anyway. Birth rates for whites could increase to match or even over take minorities again and this report won't even matter. All of this seems to be based on assumptions and patterns that could change at any time. There's a number of reasons why they're changing now, but there's also any number of reasons that it could change and turn back the other way. Well even if this does actually happen, I don't think that it'd be very noticeable on the small scale. In smaller communities I don't think most people would realize that anything happened. Sure on a nationwide large scale people will see the differences, but little communities especially rural ones probably won't have that much of a change. Daily life for most will probably remain the same. Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:10:39 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/the-white-minorities__trashed/#IDComment65602975 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/is-this-just-a-few-bad-apples__trashed/#IDComment64239233 There's no reason to resort to violence for these protests. I mean seriously, what elected official has actually come in and done what they said they were going to do? Besides the governmental process isn't as easy as getting elected and just changing everything. There's huge road blocks at every level of delegation. But back to the violence, I think peaceful protest is the only thing thats protected by the constitution. So threats and talks of violence are not allowed. There's ways to go about getting your message through to the politicians, but threatening their lives and livelihoods is not it. Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:39:05 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/is-this-just-a-few-bad-apples__trashed/#IDComment64239233 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/in-her-own-words__trashed/#IDComment64238463 I grew up in a family where the only woman was my mom, and she thinks it's just awful to talk about periods. My dad is pretty sensitive to the subject and my brother is completely grossed out by it. But it's never really bothered me to talk about. I'm not really sure why, I guess I just don't really see it as a big deal either. I mean I don't fully understand the mechanics and biology that explains why it happens, but it still wouldn't bother me even if I did know. Your friend that grew up in a house full of women, I'm sure living in that situation would certainly help numb someone to the taboo of period talk but I don't think that it's necessary in order to understand it. I think it's just a person by person thing. Some people are bothered by the talk, others aren't. Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:33:14 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/in-her-own-words__trashed/#IDComment64238463 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/flip-the-script-for-a-moment__trashed/#IDComment64237329 I disagree with some of what Sam said in class about people being uncomfortable talking about "bleeding." Yeah it's one of those things that people normally don't talk about and yes it is a natural part of life. But where I do not agree is the reasoning of why we don't talk about it. I'll agree that it is primarily a man's world, but I don't think that's the reason why we don't talk about it. Some of my friends and ex-girlfriends tell me and used to tell me when they were on their periods. That never really bothered me that much. I'm not sure why they even chose to tell me about it. They could've been trying to gross me out or get a reaction out of me, but I never got grossed out. It is what it is and I'll talk about it with people if they really want to. Sam's right, it is a natural part of life, like being hungry and we talk about that about every five minutes of the day. If you really think about it, the way our digestive system works is pretty gross too. Most of our body's natural functions are pretty disturbing, actually. But no one seems to care when it comes to discussing them. If anything the girls that tell me about when it is their time of the month are more uncomfortable talking about it than I am. I don't know if it's because they've been told all their lives not to talk about it like a crazy taboo or if they think it is just a gross as most guys do. This may sound a little disturbing but I know of of my friend's cycles just as well or better than she does. (Don't ask me why, she just told me about it once and I've just remembered ever since.) The reason I think people don't bring it up and talk about it is because there really isn't much of a reason to talk about it that much. And there really isn't that much to say about it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's much of a reason for girls to just go around announcing to everyone they run into that they're on their period. If there's a situation in which someone needs to know about it then there shouldn't be something in the way of them being informed about it. If there's a situation where it needs to be brought up and talked about then go for it. If it grosses someone out, thats their problem. Periods happen, there's nothing anyone can do to make them go away so it doesn't help anything to pretend like they don't. Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:23:41 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/flip-the-script-for-a-moment__trashed/#IDComment64237329 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment63068304 I think the texting site that Sam started to use is really cool, but really dangerous too. Yeah it's meant for us to speak our minds and the truth, but what if some of those comments that people find offensive aren't jokes. What if some of those comments are the way people really feel? Do we really want that broadcast in a class that's all about race relations? As far as the reactions to white people vs. black peoples' comments goes, I think the reason why certain comments white people make get a groan is because of white guilt. White people probably think that they should give that reaction to make them seem like "good guys", like they want to been seen as good white people. If you truly feel that a comment deserves that kind of a response then give it, if you're doing it for show then I feel like its even more insulting. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:29:35 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment63068304 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-to-do-about-white-guilt__trashed/#IDComment63066931 Changing the history books to tell only white history is an interesting thought, but a terrible idea. First of all, what about the non white minorities in the schools? I think it makes a lot of sense to think that black and brown students would want to know about their history. Also, what about Native Americans in the school system? They barely exist in text books as is. Just neglecting to mention certain parts of history does not make it so it didn't happen. Just because we would not be teaching our kids things doesn't mean we don't have anything to feel guilty about either. Finally school is only one place that we learn things. Actually I think I may have learned more just randomly looking up stuff on the internet and watching the History Channel and Discovery Channel. Kids are going to have a lot of questions when they start seeing different information being thrown at them from different sources. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:16:42 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-to-do-about-white-guilt__trashed/#IDComment63066931 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/prom-or-no-prom-just-dont-let-the-queer-students-dance-together__trashed/#IDComment62706214 Cancelling an entire prom over two girls wanting to go together is one of the biggest overreactions to a situations I've ever heard of. Its just two girls, who cares if they want to go together? There's probably going to be hundreds of straight couples there only paying attention to each other so a lot of people there probably won't notice. And about them being asked to leave if other students became uncomfortable at the situation, thats just a typical way of the people in charge making excuses to back up their actions. Most of the students in the school could probably care less about a lesbian couple, but it probably bothers the faculty. I wonder what would happen if two straight girls wanted to go to prom, but could not get dates? Would they still try to cancel the event or make it so they would not be allowed to come? I remember my senior prom where there were groups of like five or so people who just went together because they either didn't want to or couldn't get dates. There was not always an even ratio of guys to girls in these groups either. What would Itawamba do in that situation? My favorite excuse for this is saying it will be a distraction to the educational process. It's prom, what kind of education could possibly be going on there? At my high school was a big year end celebration for juniors and seniors. It's supposed to be all about having fun and relaxing at the end of the school year. But instead of letting their students have this, the administrators decided to make a political statement by banning prom. I don't know if they were just being ignorant and kind of old fashioned or if the school administrators actually have a problem with gays and lesbians. Either way I'm sure they are in a huge pile of trouble with the ACLU now. I really hope that they don't try to push things too far and start a movement of their own. They should make the situation right for those students and get out and not take this and try to make a movement of their own. I think that most students in public schools don't have that big of a problem with the LGBT community. I mean our generation has been raised to be tolerant and accepting of almost every group of people out there. For most of my life I've been told that everyone's different, but that's okay. I'll quit my rambling now and just say that two girls wanting to go to prom together is not a huge deal. The school district had a ridiculous overreaction. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:37:32 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/prom-or-no-prom-just-dont-let-the-queer-students-dance-together__trashed/#IDComment62706214 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-five__trashed/#IDComment58891648 I can see how she can feel this way, but I feel like black people and Native Americans' fight for equality is completely different. Native Americans had their land invaded and taken over, and black people were involuntarily brought here. Both people have been looked down upon throughout history, but at least now black people are being acknowledged and things are in the process of being equalized with whites. Native Americans are barely even thought about in the race discussion. Both should have gone through a lot and should be treated equally, but I don't feel like one group should feel bad for getting some things changed and fixed first. White America just recognized and chose to work with black people first. Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:56:13 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-five__trashed/#IDComment58891648 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58885868 In response to the first video comment, I think whoever said this makes a very good point. When exactly is it our place to do or say something? A lot of us are very mind your own business and non confrontational when it comes to these things. But if we say that something isn't right and something needs to be done about it, then we need to take action ourselves. Maybe one person by themselves won't have much success changing anything but at least that person can feel good about themselves knowing they did what they believed in. They may not sound like much right now, but try sticking up for your beliefs sometime and you'll know what I mean. I feel like people who don't do anything in a situation probably don't feel strongly enough about it to do something, and thats okay too. But remember that nothing will ever change if the people don't do something first. Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:59:43 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58885868 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/1880__trashed/#IDComment58884660 I find it interesting that Native Americans, who are more often than not associated as being people who respect and love the Earth, would change their traditional culture for money. Yes, those people on the reservation desperately need money to help themselves and their society, but still I have to bring the question forward about putting a price on their traditions and dignity. Native Americans have been seen, for as long as I can remember, as being at one with nature. They use every part of everything they find for their livelihood. And now it seems the price for those traditions has been found. They now are just fine with mining for oil so they can reap the benefits the federal government will pay them for the oil. This makes me think of the movie "Avatar." How different would the story have been if the native people in that movie had decided to sell the unobtainium to the humans, instead of sticking with their traditions and ways of life. I hope they take this lucky break and use it to the utmost advantage that they can. Things like this don't happen often to people, let alone a group of people. I am happy that a group of people who have been so repressed caught a break. I find it kind of amusing that those who oppressed them thought they were putting these people on a useless piece of land, and now have to pay ridiculous sums of money in order to get those resources back. But I wonder how good of use these Native Americans will put this new found wealth. They say they want to use it to pay off debt, education, and law enforcement, but when people who normally do not have much wealth stumble upon some, it means play time. I've done some volunteer work in soup kitchens and shelters for the homeless and not well off people. I found it interesting that they day the welfare check comes in the mail almost no one shows up to get free meals. They go out to eat somewhere and blow their money on something that they really don't need to. They should try to save up money from those checks to get them back on their feet and use some to pay for things they need. Even with myself, I usually don't have a whole lot of money to my name, but when I get a paycheck I usually take some and blow it on something I could probably do without. This sudden injection of large amounts of cash to the Native Americans has the potential to pull them out of a hole, but they have to use it wisely. Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:48:39 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/1880__trashed/#IDComment58884660 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/lgbt-class-question-five__trashed/#IDComment57715209 Sam made some good points during that lecture but I still do not support gay marriage myself. I am in the category of people who does not care if they are allowed some sort of legal union, but I do not want it to be called marriage. Originally it was because of my church upbringing but if Sam won't accept that argument from someone who does not follow all of the church rules then I am against it for the sake of tradition. Traditionally marriage has been between a man and a woman. There are some older civilizations that would allow same sex relationships but I don't think they were referred to as marriages. The ancient Athenians approved of two men having a relationship and living together but it was an apprenticeship. Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:27:49 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/lgbt-class-question-five__trashed/#IDComment57715209 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/lgbt-class-question-six__trashed/#IDComment57713917 I do not really feel like lesbians are more excepted than gay men, just that they are not talked about as much so it creates the illusion that they're more accepted. Like it or not, this is a very male dominated country we live in and there is a certain standard of manliness that has been created by our society. So I feel like it is a lot more noticeable when a man fails to meet the requirements to be considered a man by his peers. There's things like being really jacked and muscular, loving sports, liking and being able to drink a lot of beer, etc. I'm talking in general terms here, not for myself or all men especially, but men typically like to objectify women and well what better way to objectify them is there than having to be together. Thats kind of the driving factor behind the entire porn industry, so it makes sense to me. Speaking of the porn industry, I think that's another reason why people could think that lesbians are more accepted than gay men. Men are the majority of consumers when it comes to porn, so the producers of it will put whatever men like in their movies so they can sell more. Gay men are probably rarely seen in porn because I can't really imagine that any straight man would willingly watch gay sex. I could be wrong but I think that gay men are the only ones who'd really enjoy watching other gay men have sex with each other, but that's their own choice. I really do not know of that many girls who watch porn so I can't really say what they would like to watch. But I feel like the spotlight of the gay issues is focused so much on men that women are often forgot about until something specific is brought up. Its not that they're accepted more or less than men, they just do not have as much of the focus on them as men do.Their time for scrutiny under the spotlight will come, I'm sure. All of this makes me think that we put way too much on people in our society to act like part of the whole instead of embracing their individuality and being themselves. Who came up with the previously mentioned manly criteria? I know plenty of girls who like sports and beer, but they are not lesbians by any stretch of the imagination. I also know guys who are more into watching musicals and chick flicks than football or hockey, but they aren't necessarily gay. The whole issue of gay acceptance is pointless, let people be who they want to be, and if they're gay then who cares. Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:12:20 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/lgbt-class-question-six__trashed/#IDComment57713917