en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/444378 Comments by sloasdaylight http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17963085 Beliefs and ideas and ideology are always supposed to be criticized and questioned. If you don't do that then you wind up in a Sharia type situation. Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:40:54 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17963085 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17707658 I don't know where they come from, but they don't come from an omniscient and omnipotent god, or the rest of the world would have developed them at the same time, or not earlier. If they had come from a creator, don't you think that they would have popped up all over the world by now, and people wouldn't still be lashed in Saudi Arabia, or people in Darfur wouldn't be getting murdered in 5 digits per day. Now its time for you to answer my question. Do you put your faith in man or not? Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:05:32 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17707658 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17706920 YOUR god, not mine. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:45:06 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17706920 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17706012 Collins essential English Dictionary defines irrational as, and I quote: "not based on logical reasoning" Faith is not based on logical reasoning. Merriam Webster defines it as: Not governed by, or according to reason - Sounds like a religious belief to me dictionary.com defines it as: not in accordance with reason Reason, by the way, is universally defined by the word logical. Arational, on the other hand, is not defined by Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com, or Collins. I'll trust those sources over you. And yes, you're right, that no religion or belief system can be established as a state religion, and each citizen has the fundamental right to worship what/who s/he pleases. That however does not however mean that our government can be guided by a book that provides two completely different looks at a 3 part deity which is supposed to be 1 god, which on its own makes no sense, let alone what goes on within the book, and why an omniscient and omnipotent god would feel the need to "test" one of his faithful, like, for example, Job. Edit: By the way, you cannot use the root of the word you're trying to define to define it. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:34:41 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17706012 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17705468 No, the thinking that is destroying America now is the mindset that we can spend money willy nilly like its paper. Whether or not people believe in god or not has dick to do with that, since Bush, a born again evangelical or w/e he passed himself off as spent like a drunken sailor. Also, anon is 100% right, that statement in no way, shape, or form implies anything about whether or not god or gods exist, to try and say it does is simply foolhardy and moronic. Also, how exactly should I open my eyes to see god? What exactly should I be looking for? Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:21:20 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17705468 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17704512 The fact that you can only see 2 options is why your question can't be taken seriously. There is always another option. A belief in a creator that relies on faith IN OTHER MEN is therefore just as susceptible to corruption as any other set of rules laid down by man. The entire basis of Religion, and in particular the 3 big monotheistic is based around trusting other men that what they said about their lives and the lives of other men is true. If you don't trust men to make laws, why do you trust men to make religion? So which is it? Either you trust man to tell the truth, or you don't. In either case your argument falls apart. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:58:37 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17704512 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17704433 Nope, I understood exactly what you said, and exactly what you meant, and chose my words carefully. That truly was one of the most idiotic comments I've seen on the internet. Not only did it have absolutely nothing at all to do with the topic in this particular thread, it also is completely, and 100% able to be re-directed toward your belief in a god, (or at least I assume you believe in a god, probably the polytheistic version of the monotheistic god) and thereby leaving you completely defenseless against a fairly standard retort, which would be something along the lines of: "Oh the irony of a religious person saying that" Your belief which is founded on trust in other men leaves you in a glass house when talking about other people and what they believe. Do not throw stones. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:56:59 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17704433 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17702629 Stop weakening your already weak arguments with ad hoc attacks. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:10:50 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17702629 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17702477 That's the most idiotic thing I've read on the internet. Not only is it an ad hoc and ad hominem attack, it doesn't even make sense because its so easily reversible. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:06:51 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17702477 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17702182 Life is depressing when its nothing more than test that a man in a robe tells you about from the time you understand english. Odd how that argument can get turned around on your head so easily isn't it. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:59:12 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17702182 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17702110 Dude screw you. People like you are the people pose just as much a challenge to progress as the people you're railing against. When you say or insinuate that people who don't believe in god aren't Patriots, or aren't good Americans you're doing absolutely nothing but causing further strife. Telling him to go back to a site that thinks like he does is cowardly and childish, if you don't agree with what he has to say you don't have to read it. If you don't agree with it and think you can disprove him, then debate him. If you don't agree and can't even think of an argument against him other than "God said it was this way so it is", so you tell him to leave your site then you're the one that needs to leave. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:57:27 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17702110 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17701935 Oh god, you did not seriously say that did you? Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:53:05 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17701935 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17701898 And religious people wonder why some of us have issue with it. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:52:05 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17701898 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17701592 This movement involved god from the minute Glenn mentioned it it his second principle. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:44:45 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17701592 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17701368 And by resulting to insults because you disagree with his argument you're doing every rational religious person here a disservice because you're serving to do nothing other than support his prejudice. By the way, you have trust in your partners, which is earned, and there are contracts for businesses, which are legally binding. The belief in a god is a fundamentally irrational belief because it is not governed by reason, but rather by faith. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:38:36 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17701368 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17700454 He should have left it out. You don't need to believe in a god of any kind to be a good person. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:13:50 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17700454 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17700336 Lance just nailed this whole thing on the head. Faith in God is exactly the same as faith in men, because men wrote down the holy words. If you cannot trust man to come up with morals on his own, then you cannot trust religion. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:10:44 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17700336 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17695763 Go. Away. The first principle is that we believe America is good. THAT is what this movement is all about. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:47:23 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17695763 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17695684 "I just don't understand their justification for resisting the idea that our duly elected representatives can do whatever they think is right." Please tell me that you're honestly not asking that question. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:45:25 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17695684 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17695494 8 out of the 9 principles I agree with no problem, the one I don't agree with is the second one, because god is not the center of my life. I don't pray to any god, I don't feel the need, I've never felt the need, to pray to something that another man tells me exists. I don't believe that our rights as men come from god but rather come from man. We created our society through thousands of years of evolution and societal development under literally THOUSANDS of different gods before Judaism and Christianity and Islam, the big monotheistic religions. At one point it was ok to stone a woman for adultery, people still get lashed in Saudi Arabia for breaking the Sharia, which is god's law according to the muslims in power now. I have a problem with people citing god as the reason they act like a decent human being because then that to me says that if god wasn't there anchoring them down, then they'd be acting like a raving lunatic. If that's what you believe then power to you and you live a good life. I'll live a good life, not pray to god or jesus or allah or yaweh or zeus or thor or whatever the hell else and not have to worry about whether or not I'll be rewarded for following my shepherd to the Pearly Gates and telling St. Peter that I was a good child. Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:41:26 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17695494