en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/2416721 Comments by shootersaints http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/19/would-you-hire-illegal-immigrants-over-legal-residents-for-less-pay-119-blog/#IDComment145714712 Besides from the pay, its more ethical and humane to higher an immigrant worker, rather than to leave them out “on the street”, also from experience I know many farms provide housing for their illegal immigrant workers so that is a benefit for them as well. In comparison to that, I feel a citizen already is sheltered and has a higher opportunity to find a job elsewhere. Not only is it beneficial to the immigrant and profitable for me, but it also is beneficial to the economies of both the United States and their home country. Being able to hire more labor for the same price or being able to hire the same amount of labor for less helps in controlling price inflations. By hiring more labor and increasing the output of my business would create an increased supply of my product in the economy. This would help to keep the prices down. With minimal wages constantly on the rise, more labor laws in effect, and benefits and no work compensation and taxes having to be paid to legal residents is harmful to business owners. We can already see the effect this has had on our economy and this especially shows with our factory jobs being offshored to low-wage countries. High wages may be affordable to billion dollar businesses and corporations, but not to factory and farm owners (the jobs that Americans are always complaining about being outsourced). Competition is tough for business like this, where competing goods are being imported for cheaper prices, so the only way for jobs like this to fight back would be to cut wages. Instead these business just survive off of government subsidies that we as society all pay for. Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:21:45 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/19/would-you-hire-illegal-immigrants-over-legal-residents-for-less-pay-119-blog/#IDComment145714712 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/19/would-you-hire-illegal-immigrants-over-legal-residents-for-less-pay-119-blog/#IDComment145714594 Would I hire illegal immigrants over legal residents for less pay? The answer to this question would be yes. Firstly I’ll explain why I don’t think it’s wrong to pay someone less because of illegal residency and secondly why I think it helps the economy instead of hurts it. If I were a business owner, I’ll say a farm for example; I would hire more illegal immigrant workers over legal residents. The first reason I would hire them over residents would obviously be because I would save a lot of money, almost twice as much as I would have to pay a resident. Is this necessarily wrong though? I don’t think so. They left their homes in other countries to come to America looking for work. Before leaving they already know that it is going to be tough work and they’re not going to be rich from it. They doing it to put themselves and their families in better situations that they would not have otherwise had. Though they’re getting paid half the amount as a resident would, this United States currency is still worth more than their home country, and they’re making a much higher rate here. For them it is profitable, and for me as the business owner it’s profitable. Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:20:59 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/19/would-you-hire-illegal-immigrants-over-legal-residents-for-less-pay-119-blog/#IDComment145714594 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/14/what-do-you-think-about-the-telephone-game-and-why-does-information-travel-that-way-119-blog/#IDComment143219001 Another way the story may change could just be from existing views people have on society. For example consider the same simple fight story. It could easily evolve to being a hate crime, but for a reason different than miscommunication. The reason it could change is because someone could be so used to hate crimes that it’s a common occurrence for them. When they hear this story they’d automatically assume that there was a different reasoning behind the fight other than over sports. From experience they’d assume it was a hate crime and pass it off as that. My two main theories for the evolution of these stories are that they arise out of miscommunication and out of past experiences and pre-existing views. They may also be many other reasons as well, we just may never know. The story could even just change because of someone’s mal-intent, wanting to turn the story from truth to fiction. That’s how rumors start. Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:06:14 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/14/what-do-you-think-about-the-telephone-game-and-why-does-information-travel-that-way-119-blog/#IDComment143219001 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/14/what-do-you-think-about-the-telephone-game-and-why-does-information-travel-that-way-119-blog/#IDComment143218946 The first person that hears the story usually gets the full story with mostly the facts. Many times people don’t fully focus on the details and especially not the small details. When that person retells that story, they only pull the main points from the story and repeat. They also repeat it in their very own way with their own point of view and moral of the story. For example a simple story would be that two people got into to fight with one another because they were cheering for opposing sports teams, one person happened to be white and one happened to be white. This story could easily evolve so that the fight broke out because the two people were different colors. Finally as this story continues from person to person it could change into something along the lines that the white person beat down the black person in the act of a hate crime. People just pick the main view of the story and since everyone perceives stories in different ways they tell the stories with different meanings. This could be one way that a story would change as it goes down the line or from person to person. Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:06:00 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/14/what-do-you-think-about-the-telephone-game-and-why-does-information-travel-that-way-119-blog/#IDComment143218946 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/14/what-do-you-think-about-the-telephone-game-and-why-does-information-travel-that-way-119-blog/#IDComment143218889 The telephone game: It’s interesting to see the way that information travels from person to person. No matter who you are a story that is told to you, you will pass it off in your own unique way. How we perceive and view a story and the facts of the story are different than how anyone else who hears it. Even if you were someone to witness what happened in the story, the reasoning you give in the story could be different than the actual and real reasons for what happened. There are many different ways that rumors spread and stories change meanings as they are passed on. Fri, 15 Apr 2011 21:05:45 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/14/what-do-you-think-about-the-telephone-game-and-why-does-information-travel-that-way-119-blog/#IDComment143218889 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/05/which-video-in-class-today-had-the-biggest-impact-on-you-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment141095576 As for my previous experiences with the Baptist religion; I’m just scared by it after that. I did grow up in a slightly religious household and did attend church every Sunday and did a Sunday school, so it’s not like a have a huge negative view against religion, but the Baptist church even scares me. I’ve known some very “hardcore” Christians (roommate and his friends) and it just so happened that each were part of the Baptist church. Now these were the one that go around campus and try to convert people and I’ve even heard them speak about people going to hell and etc (I believe I was even told that once). Not only that, but after attending one of their services I was rather scared as well just watching the way the preacher preached and sang and the whole mass crowd of hundreds of people repeated and followed in perfect unison, and some even getting so into it that they were shaking like the children in the video. Fri, 8 Apr 2011 21:42:29 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/05/which-video-in-class-today-had-the-biggest-impact-on-you-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment141095576 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/05/which-video-in-class-today-had-the-biggest-impact-on-you-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment141095513 Next I would see this video, and in this video I’d see many different things. I would see the children trapped in this church, being trained to become evil. I would see their bodies shaking as if a demon had possessed their bodies for its evil purposes. I’d see these children learning the way to persuade and seduce and abduct other followers into this group, all so they could expand further and infiltrate my country and demolish my religion and my beliefs. In my own view I can see that these kids aren’t even given their own choice. Before they have even matured enough to realize what is rational and reasonable, they are taught and brainwashed for what to believe in. They don’t get to choose their religion; therefore they don’t get to choose their beliefs. They’re already under the influence of their church officials and they’ll believe whatever they’ll say, and also believe it when they are told that all other religious views are wrong and that those people will be condemned to hell if they don’t get “saved”. Fri, 8 Apr 2011 21:42:07 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/05/which-video-in-class-today-had-the-biggest-impact-on-you-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment141095513 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/05/which-video-in-class-today-had-the-biggest-impact-on-you-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment141095467 The video in class that I viewed as most odd (and would have viewed most shocking from the point of view from a middle easterner) was the video from the Baptist Church. For one I’ve already had past experiences with members from this church, causing me to view its members in a certain way which I will later explain, but anyways, this was the video showing the young children practicing to be preachers. In this video they were learning the “way to speak” and the “way to praise the Lord”. It showed the kids practicing as if they were given a sermon in front of the entire church, raising their arms, speaking in loud extended, emphasized words, and shaking as if they were actually possessed. Not only do I find practicing that kind of stuff odd, but looking from another perspective, like the middle easterners perspective, but I would be fearful. I would see the people from this religion and this church coming into my country, trying to convert me with their missionaries and telling me my religion was wrong. Fri, 8 Apr 2011 21:41:53 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/04/05/which-video-in-class-today-had-the-biggest-impact-on-you-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment141095467 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139163205 Likewise, I think that to men it’s an embarrassment to have “unenjoyable” sex, aka he climaxes, while she fakes. No one likes that false satisfaction, and certainly no one feels more confident upon hearing that they couldn’t please their partner. There are so many jokes in the media about women faking their orgasms, which is an embarrassment to men so even if men are motivated by this avoidance of self-embarrassment, they make it a goal to get their female partner off. Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:00:33 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139163205 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139163147 It is true that most men think of their pleasure first and then the women’s, if not just only his. By this age and time in a college student’s life, one has probably experience some kind of relationship with someone of the opposite sex. It may have taken Sam several years in his relationship to discover the way the woman needs to be pleasured, but I have found it to be a more common occurrence in these times that women do not have a problem expressing their own needs during sex. It seems that women take more initiative to point men in the right direct on stimulating them. In college it also seems to be rule that a girl will not stay in a long term relationship if her partner is unable to please her sexually. Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:00:14 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139163147 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139163109 To me I wasn’t in anyway uncomfortable talking about sex in the way Sam did. I actually found it to be overly repetitive and uninteresting. I feel it is common knowledge to know that most girls don’t climax during and also common knowledge that men are more focused on their needs and “getting off”. I did find it amusing that Sam talked to the class about the girl clitoris and foreplay. I do understand that there would be many inexperienced students in the class that don’t know much about sex or pleasure, but all that knowledge comes with time, practice and relationships. To me it seemed like Sam viewed the discussion as talking to a class of students who had never experienced sexual contact in their lives, maybe to him it is a giant egotistical boost to stand in front of so many people and boast about his knowledge in sexual experience. Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:59:57 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139163109 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139162853 The conversation in class did not make me feel uncomfortable. If anything I felt uncomfortable for Sam’s wife, who having to stand in front of an audience of over 700 students had to talk about aspects of sexual relationships. I think other classes about racial inequalities made some students feel uncomfortable because they were put into situations they either did not know about, pretended not to know about, or just avoided. Before the Soc 119 these same students may have avoided discussions of race and racial inequality, so those discussions and putting students into their awakening stages would certainly make them feel uncomfortable. However sex on the other hand is no such taboo. It is everywhere and it is talked about everywhere. People, and especially college students, do not try to avoid intercourse but rather welcome it. On a typical college night that is a goal of most students going out; to have intercourse with someone. Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:58:57 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139162853 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139162176 ((((this should be the first comment of the 4 it wasnt letting me post))))) The conversation in class about the “needypenis" did not make me feel uncomfortable. If anything I felt uncomfortable for Sam’s wife, who having to stand in front of an audience of over 700 students had to talk about aspects of sexual relationships. I think other classes about racial inequalities made some students feel uncomfortable because they were put into situations they either did not know about, pretended not to know about, or just avoided. Before the Soc 119 these same students may have avoided discussions of race and racial inequality, so those discussions and putting students into their awakening stages would certainly make them feel uncomfortable. However sex on the other hand is no such taboo. It is everywhere and it is talked about everywhere. People, and especially college students, do not try to avoid sex but rather welcome it. On a typical college night that is a goal of most students going out; to have sex with someone. Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:55:38 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139162176 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139161517 The conversation in class about the “needy” penis did not make me feel uncomfortable. If anything I felt uncomfortable for Sam’s wife, who having to stand in front of an audience of over 700 students had to talk about aspects of sexual relationships. I think other classes about racial inequalities made some students feel uncomfortable because they were put into situations they either did not know about, pretended not to know about, or just avoided. Before the Soc 119 these same students may have avoided discussions of race and racial inequality, so those discussions and putting students into their awakening stages would certainly make them feel uncomfortable. However sex on the other hand is no such taboo. It is everywhere and it is talked about everywhere. People, and especially college students, do not try to avoid sex but rather welcome it. On a typical college night that is a goal of most students going out; to have sex with someone. Fri, 1 Apr 2011 17:52:39 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/31/has-the-class-on-the-needy-penis-made-you-uncomfortable-and-why-119-blog/#IDComment139161517 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/24/has-barak-obama%e2%80%99s-presidency-helped-the-race-movement-119-blog/#IDComment137568085 Now tell me how we, as a country, are equal when nearly all of us, no matter race, can get into universities such as those. How are poor people no matter their color supposed to get into and afford to attend one of these universities that “breed” presidents. My example may only include presidency but this same thing can be viewed across all industries and looking at top executives and CEOs. People aren’t equal, not because of color but rather because of wealth. Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:47:52 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/24/has-barak-obama%e2%80%99s-presidency-helped-the-race-movement-119-blog/#IDComment137568085 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/24/has-barak-obama%e2%80%99s-presidency-helped-the-race-movement-119-blog/#IDComment137568010 Looking at presidency in general, most every single president with the exception of Andrew Johnson (who only reached the place of presidency after Lincoln’s assassination) was born into upper class families (upper-middle and upper class). Andrew Johnson was the lone president to come from a poor uprising; he came from a poverty stricken family. After taking all of this into consideration with Barack Obama, an African American, reaching presidency, does this really inspire hope amongst the different races in the United States. To me I say that it is not so. To me this shows me that people and people of different races are only equal across and among their own social class. To me in the eyes of America, all poor people are treated the same and equally across races and the only people with real birth given privileges come from the upper class and this becoming more prevalent of lately (and more unequal). Of the most recent presidents including Obama, each of them attended top universities such as Yale, Harvard and Columbia. Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:47:30 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/24/has-barak-obama%e2%80%99s-presidency-helped-the-race-movement-119-blog/#IDComment137568010 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/24/has-barak-obama%e2%80%99s-presidency-helped-the-race-movement-119-blog/#IDComment137567955 Barack Obama has certainly given a sort of “hope” to different races living among the United States. In the sense of what the lady in the video said, it does show that one does not have to be white to succeed or become someone of importance or power. It does show children when they look in the news or watch television that an African American man is “on top”. It is true and apparent that races other than white don’t start out life in the States with the same privileges as the white race. But what a lot of this talk doesn’t include or isn’t brought up in the video with the woman is that existing wealth has so much to do with all privilege across all races. A white child born into an upper middle or upper class family is born with more privilege and a higher chance to succeed than a white child born into the lower class or poverty. Race does not matter about privilege when it comes to wealth. Fri, 25 Mar 2011 20:47:11 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/24/has-barak-obama%e2%80%99s-presidency-helped-the-race-movement-119-blog/#IDComment137567955 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/18/where-do-the-messages-come-from-119-blog/#IDComment135913685 As for children not only do they see the news, not only do they hear the words spoken by their parents, not only are their favorite cartoons and movies characterized by the “beautiful white person”, but also their favorite toys characterize the same white person. It surrounded our generation; we grew up in a childhood characterizing beautiful white people. In all of our favorite movies (with the exception of Aladdin), the princes and princesses were portrayed as beautiful and white. Even through elementary classes we are given the sense that black people aren’t equal to white people. We may learn about the Civil War and why it was fought, and we may learn about the struggle of African Americans for equal rights, but did this really help us to view everyone equally, or subconsciously plant a view of these races being unequal? There was always such much around us as children showing us how the beautiful white person was the “perfect” person. Children today may finally be experiencing something new. Now the beautiful black person is beginning to be represented through movies and play toys, so maybe the generation to come will finally be able to view every race as beautiful. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:27:39 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/18/where-do-the-messages-come-from-119-blog/#IDComment135913685 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/18/where-do-the-messages-come-from-119-blog/#IDComment135913636 As much as this generation is now influenced by media through television, movie, and print, the older generation has also been influenced by the media, as well as having firsthand experience in seeing the “white privilege” and the benefits of being white. They have witnessed the power and way white people are viewed in society over minorities, and not only have they viewed this, this vision has been made stronger by the media. In the past, original prints and movies characterized only white actors even. Black characters would be represented as monkey like people and in movies white actors were painted in grease as black to represent them. Older people are currently influenced by the media in the sense that these views they already have are strengthened every day by seeing the typical local news, presenting as usual the white man in power (and even delivering the news) and also showing the poor black man and their struggles (involvements in crimes for example). Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:27:17 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/18/where-do-the-messages-come-from-119-blog/#IDComment135913636 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/18/where-do-the-messages-come-from-119-blog/#IDComment135913525 My opinion is that it comes from the “media” and past experiences. In one way it is a view that is passed on from generation to generation. Through history it seems that it has always been the “white man” is on top. It would be desirous to be white, because being white meant that you had more power and privilege. The older generations, especially the further back in history the generation in consideration is, the more the white power seems prevalent. The white men were always the wealthiest and most powerful. To be a minority or black meant that you would always work under or for the white man. The older generations may have even seen it a disgrace to be born the color that they are. The videos seen in class and the articles in Sam’s book give a good indicator of this. A good example of this was the mixed race (Latina and African) girl, whose African side of the family admired her so much more and wanted her to be as light as possible. The children of these generations are unknowingly already exposed to this desire from parents and this idea that to be white is better. Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:26:42 +0000 http://www.worldinconversation.org/2011/03/18/where-do-the-messages-come-from-119-blog/#IDComment135913525