en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/769579 Comments by rmz5019 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/how-am-i-not-a-racist__trashed/#IDComment70033985 I think its more about your position on the inheritance of your parents and so on and so fourth that allowed you your position to visit these countries and establish that you could do more for these people. But then it becomes a problem if doing more for them would actually help them, like getting businesses started, etc. like a government and civil projects. It seems that you can't really draw a line except for the extreme that you can judge yourself worth more as a person,as each person does something in that society to affect another. Best bet would be to say your worth just as much as this person so the opportunity is equal among both of you but some factors you can just never get rid of until times change and places develop. Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:36:14 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/how-am-i-not-a-racist__trashed/#IDComment70033985 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-people-who-can-only-afford-hard-work__trashed/#IDComment70032479 Well about the whole immigration and the problems it brings die to the large interests groups who sway the policy due to the number of workers needed for around the time the work becomes the busiest, I think it should be more relax in general where illegal immigration is still tight. I think illegal immigration does cause problems over America's infrastructure when it demolishes thousands of dollars here and there to help those without any kind of Medical care or social security. They do harm to the system when some need to repetitively abuse it because of their circumstances. The best thing I can hope for out of illegal immigration would be to document those workers as illegal so when in a problematic situation i can be known where they come from and at least some money goes back into the draining funds or the currency deficit they create. It might not be a lot but even a 5 out of 100 is better than a 0. The next problem would be to adjust work visas for those that they are able to come over and work in the states for FAIR wages, also negotiating with the "fair trade" organization to make sure that these people do not only work for their money but receive compensation for their hard work. Costs may go up but so would satisfaction and quality of goods if now people compete for their wages like some do across businesses. On the working topic of these immigrant I do feel that sometimes when doing certain hard jobs that they try to improve their status in life. As each bit of money counts in a poor family they don't waste much and try to conserve as much as possible. When you think about families giving up education to make money to support their elderly or sick or just to keep food on the table, its hard to see the justice when they work tirelessly for 12-14 hour days on average for a small pay while many people today think the worth and laborious efforts to do these things would be worth much more. I think its a harsh reality and some people do remain poor but some manage to become lucky and break the mold where they are able to get better jobs and support their families with enough income to live happy life. I have some friends who work tirelessly here in college working 40 hours a week and a physically demanding job and trying to keep up enough time for grades and studyign to keep their life ahead of them looking better as they pay off some of their debts in college before they even graduate. For the immigrant workers, they work just as hard if not harder than my friend where work consumes the vast majority of the time,leaving little for the life they want to have like some business execs in a fortune 500 company where they talk about ideas and see what works and doesn't instead of actually going out and putting the work in. The legal works do help this country strive for better policies for all of us, as well as point out the flaws of our society making sure things are fair which is not all the time. Hopefully something will be done and will be done soon to help out everybody's situation whether illegal or legal. Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:30:44 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-people-who-can-only-afford-hard-work__trashed/#IDComment70032479 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment70026960 I have seen the 200th episode of South Park where they start to make fun of Mohammad. Its kind of funny how they say that he is immune to being made fun of and is face is never shown on the TV. But its also interesting how every other religion can be made fun of freely on that show except Muslims known for their terrorist activities due to the few extremist organizations that cause problems and destruction for everyone else. I think that because we live in today's society that when one thing become taboo, someone must speak up about it and expose it or else it will remain taboo and the fact that you can never show his face might start to die down. It reminds me about when Sam talked about taboo and "bleeding" for women, it just takes one person to start knocking down walls and the rest will follow. Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:10:27 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment70026960 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/women__trashed/#IDComment68486292 There a ton of difference of what each culture (and I do mean EACH culture) of the standard of beauty is. Some tribes in Africa send their women away to get fat or large because their standard of beauty much like that of the 1900's was that fat or large women are considered wealthy and suitable. Currently in America we all know what the standards are for both men and women, and for each they have to conform to some type of stereotypical person in which it forces people to act like somebody different. IF you honestly believe that everyone is beautiful then I know you are lying because there is probably some people you would never associate with because you think they are not in some way beautiful enough to even talk to. Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:23:38 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/women__trashed/#IDComment68486292 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/the-tyranny-of-radical-muslims__trashed/#IDComment68482643 Some Muslim is extremists but some are normal people the problem with the extremists is that they go too far on mass murder sprees or suicidal bombing locations which is true for any religion. Catholic religion has known to have some extremists who have done a lot of damage to other people, killing many. The best way for Muslim to resolve some of their issue would be to fix their Qur’an so that if a person does not want to convert to Muslim that they don't have to be killed. But the difference between our culture and theirs is the rights of each of the people here are different than there. Here we have women's rights; there women's rights are very limited. There are faults for every religion but the best way to deal with them is to find a peaceful resolution both sides can agree to. Sat, 17 Apr 2010 05:50:32 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/the-tyranny-of-radical-muslims__trashed/#IDComment68482643 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68477037 I thought this lecture was really interesting to the point on how we are the invading force in the Middle East and how people respond to us as extremist on both sides of the war. I think that it has become a blown out of proportion war on both ends where those that are in the Middle East watching the videos about Christian extremists and those watch the Muslim extremists in Afghanistan. Each side watches how crazy each other is and those people that are civilians on the sidelines have to watch the massacre posted on the media, how the media shows only the bad parts of war such as Muslim extremists with weaponry and the US troops taking down most threats. But the problem consists with each side not watching the other on the ways to resolve the issues like the one soldier giving the children candy or a Muslim who has helped out some US troops. Instead what goes on the air on television is a tank patrol finding looters in their own country who have no food or heat that have a need to loot in order to stay alive from the destruction around them and the car that they used was crushed by the tank patrol. The only problem with that like Sam said each of the countries see the worst in the other so what must be done in order to stop the problem with the war getting out of hand is too find a way for the US to find a peaceful resolution in which those people that attack are troops are dealt with but that none of the civilians get hurt while retaliating. The best way for the troops to stand out as good people is to protect the Muslim civilians from their own extremists, because that is the only way that the war will stop with those people pissed that the US is there for oil instead of there to actually help with specific matters. We hide behind taking down figureheads who are problematic to our cause like Sadam H. and say we liberated their people from that of tyranny. But the problem is that each religion is by their own at faults, each of which try to spread their message to people of another and try to convert them to the preaching religion. Christians try to get Muslims are they are down on their luck from after the bombing and Muslims if unable to convert you have the religious right to kill the people converting to Christianity. But the problem with that is Christians should not kill at all, which makes them unable to defend their religion in the same manner, but only the catholic figureheads such as the Pope and Bishops do they make a unified decision to start a Holy War. Killing should be unforgiving in any religion but since we still fight each other based on the premise of skin color, attributes or anything else we can see our differences as there will always be fighting until there is a unified set of ideals or a standard of processes that everyone is able to follow. The fighting itself will never stop within my lifetime I'm sure of that. Sat, 17 Apr 2010 04:54:01 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68477037 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/revisioning-the-revisioning-stage__trashed/#IDComment65127819 You only get thrown into the re-visioning stage if you allow yourself to be, or you can just be conscious that some people have a different culture. Just because you grew up around black people doesn't mean you went straight to the re-visioning stage. Its basically necessary for each person to go through each stage even if not immediately but it does take some time to progress through each. The young have a easier time adjusting but some people who say 'yea I'm comfortable around black people, i grew up around tons when i was young' do not always remain that way. There becomes a psychological switch that makes some people start to conform to the norm whatever it may be. But if she's here at Penn State chances are she has not remained true to the fact that she was thrown into the re-visioning stage otherwise when hanging around people you see that she still hangs around people of the same culture or ethnicity as those she was friends with back home. Most likely she has conformed to people a group of white people that she hangs out with most of the time. Everyone is different. Thu, 1 Apr 2010 04:51:45 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/revisioning-the-revisioning-stage__trashed/#IDComment65127819 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/nothing-about-the-census-is-easy__trashed/#IDComment65127051 I think it is kind of funny that everyone is confused about where they are on the census. I think its everything including easy but that it could have been easier but the fact is when you start getting too specific on a group of people that it gets harder and harder to differentiate races by the government, such a Hispanic person that identifies themselves as Hispanic but is from Mexico than a Hispanic that comes from Spain. The ethnicity is where they identify where they come from, but their race is dependent upon their culture that they experience. They could have set up the census that it asks what you identify as and has each as a choice "white/negro/African-American/Hispanic/Latino(a) etc."and have a sheet where they fill in what country that they identify their heritage from but the second list would be around over 100 choices depending on what country each person is from and if its not on it would seem racist because it was left out. I think that everyone takes things way too far to where they need to think about what they should answer for a simple question. Everyone knows what they should put down, if they identify with that group. Because people get wrapped up in the race issue that everything needs to be politically correct that it become excessive. Even research need to group people together but they have to identify closer to a general topic instead of Latino, Hispanic differences which are cultural. And each of these groups need 5000 at the minimum participants for the research to become even generally accurate that it has the same effect on each group. (If you don't understand this please look up the drug BiDil and do a little research about one of the first drugs to come out that works greater for the African American population) And getting a few 30000 volunteers or paid test subjects is expensive as well as time extensive and not to mention it needs to be ethical. Returning to the census topic, it would be for the best that people expand some knowledge that other people identify as different things and people are not always trying to be offensive. It becomes a filling idea of problems that people become racists if they include something that seems racists, in which they don't want to be deemed so. Its a "damned if you do damned if you don't" sort of logic. If people want to play the race card against the census, they can but they are getting over excited about something different, if change is wrong I can just point back to slavery and say 'well the change was for the better wasn't it'. Laugh at the stupid but pity the confused. Thu, 1 Apr 2010 04:43:22 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/nothing-about-the-census-is-easy__trashed/#IDComment65127051 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/the-white-minorities__trashed/#IDComment64976002 I knew this was coming eventually, because if you thing about being white as a 'pure' kind of thing, which requires both parents to be white it is pretty much inevitable that because of the multiple cultures mixing and interracial marriages and children that everything that is not white moves whites to be put as a minority. The one thing that kind of bothers me is that what will history be like if changed and forced under review to include different details, how will textbooks change. If you think about every minority writing in their part of history in a textbook, will the history of what happened really change or will it be more on the focus of what happened to the minority and will we lose sight of the bigger picture. The white team is getting smaller year by year but the real question is what happens when it becomes a minority how really will race relation issues change. Wed, 31 Mar 2010 07:50:35 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/the-white-minorities__trashed/#IDComment64976002 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment64285090 Well I think that women make a big thing about and it becomes a taboo to talk about a natural body function because of today's society and the right to privacy. But the thing that makes it sensitive is it is a sexual/reproductive function. And we today live in not a sexually open society where people are still judged by their decisions as they are straight, gay, lesbian, bi, trans, pans, whatever. There is a point where women keep it a secret as to not gross out other people by bodily functions but i really think the subject is only as touchy as some of us make it out to be. I know some girls talk about cramps and it doesn't tick for some people unless they say "its that time of the month" or "my period" but I'm not offended in anyway its just sometimes a reminder because its been so long since i've heard someone talk about it that i got shocked. I think something will change it the more its talked about. Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:26:37 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment64285090 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/is-this-just-a-few-bad-apples__trashed/#IDComment64282175 Alright, this is one thing I know well actually. This new health care bill that was signed was actually a good start in the right direction, but the protests against it were because those people don't know what exactly will happen to those that have health care coverage. Some people think that because of this raise in taxes that those with health care will be paying for those without. But the main problem around supplying health care for everyone is the fact that it should have a basic package. With the people who don't understand that in today's society, the right-winged people are using scare tactics and displaying them as a Nazi that killed 6 million people, the difference in what they're trying to accomplish is quite different. Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:53:26 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/is-this-just-a-few-bad-apples__trashed/#IDComment64282175 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment64277153 Oh I'm gonna love this one. Well as you can see the differences between the racial stereotypes can show that there is a large gap in whats allowed to be said and what should be said. If you have that "loud obnoxious black girl comment" some might being offended by it, but the only thing that keeps it from becoming true is girls that work against stereotypes. As I've heard in class sitting in random spots and with my friend to look at the people around and gauge their view on the i found that most do play into the stereotype of loud and obnoxious. I'm not sure if that is a cultural difference or even a race difference at all because there are some even worse obnoxious and loud white girls as well but they'll never speak in public because they've learned that if they say something it probably has to be done among friends. BUT and its a big one, that there are so few black or African American or 'negro' population at this school that when you hear a few outbursts you start to affiliate it with race. Which went into another argument of population in PA versus that of other areas Sam should in class on Thursday. I think it honestly does not cut both ways at all. Because there are not many terms you can call that will invoke hatred. If you use the term 'cracker' and apply it to a white person, some might embrace it but with that embrace it loses some of its power. Because it has no power people will use it less, and I'm not talking about just a bunch of white people calling each other crackers. I'm talking about the black, Indian, native American, Asian American people calling whites crackers. Now, if you call a black person a 'nigger' you hit a deeply hated word in which will spark hatred, but among people in the black community because of the pronunciation of the word makes it a term of being friends. Now because there is a large gap and words for hatred there will always be a gap because it becomes a sensitive subject area to where people were once slaves. So there will never be that equality of rudeness its just that some groups have learned to deal with the intolerance of a new generation, and some can't handle the intolerance of an older generation. Either way, minorities will always be allowed to say what they want because its "socially acceptable" for them to make fun of the majority. I doubt something like that will ever be rid of by the time we die so the rudeness will stay this way for a very long time to come. Sat, 27 Mar 2010 00:57:27 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment64277153 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/this-is-getting-to-be-too-much__trashed/#IDComment59929068 That noose story is pretty screwed up. And that the racial undertones in this campus are quite disturbing. The UCSD has a pretty problematic situation going on but the party going "ghetto style" sound like a horrible idea. The culture of having to be popular is that which follows the trends of which popular, but on a side note if you watch the USCD chancellor you'll realize she doesn't blink at all. When the trend is to be "ghetto" the imitation of large amount of the impressionable people will usually cause a disturbance for those of a different color. The move foward in a positive manner that only solution is to respect each other and learn about each other's cultures and kind of respect the ethnicities so that problems and occurrences like this doesn't happen again. Fri, 5 Mar 2010 19:37:46 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/this-is-getting-to-be-too-much__trashed/#IDComment59929068 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/are-whites-the-only-people-willing-to-humiliate-themselves__trashed/#IDComment59928249 People still watch these shows? I thought by now they wouldn't even be remotely popular or entertaining in the least because 90% of these shows are staged and the only reason some of them actually go through to get married is because the show pays them for it, because they make a mint if they broadcast it on television. But anywyas, I do think that these kind of shows have always been instilled with some racial undertones as you can look at the pictures there are a ton of white contestants on these shows and rarely anyone of color or an ethnic background. But as you can see the mockery of these shows on other channels such as the "Flavor Of Love" starring Flavor Flav or "For the Love of Ray-Jay" starring RayJay there seems to be a predominantly Black ethnic standing within these shows and create more problems like racial stereotypes, like "New York" girl from the Flavor of Love, got her own show because she was on it for fame and creates all this drama, a lot of this is staged to play with emotions as well as to create the most amount of drama to attract the most viewers which is why some television shows have some crazy person doing something to get attention and that will be on the trailer for the next video. I find that all these shows claim to be reality TV but are very far from it, these people are paid to do X Y and Z and having to be put through these stressful areas to cause tension. But these ethnic created spin-off are showed on some other television stations not "wholesome" enough that ABC thinks it should not be included. If you look over the entire options of "reality TV" don't be surprised what you find. The only reality TV you will actually see is if you strap a cardboard cutout of a TV in front of your face and do like Peter Griffin did walking around and following random people. IT doesn't make you think why these shows are on the air but really most television stations are racist in the way they broadcast some new idea like having MTV create the real world about people drinking until they pass-out or get laid but consuming toxic levels of alcohol. I mean sometimes its fun to drink and get loose and have a good time with friends but EVERY episode is like that mentality of get-laid or get drunk. Not to "have fun" If you look at the recipie for the real world you'll see it includes a stereotype of each person, and how they want to be on the television show and become a reality star and have no career because of the stupid things they do. Ultimately i don't watch these shows nor do i even pretend to watch them. I can't have my brain sink that low of stupidity to even keep the channel for an hour. I rather enjoy some crazy wholesome Family Guy, where the jokes are meant to be played out. Fri, 5 Mar 2010 19:30:14 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/are-whites-the-only-people-willing-to-humiliate-themselves__trashed/#IDComment59928249 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/whats-with-the-theme-parties__trashed/#IDComment59926610 Well i would like to know too, but as I've been to a few theme parties most have which were Halloween costume parties or something along the lines of beach themes. I have yet to encounter a "black/ghetto" theme where it looks like blatant racial discrimination. I think that it is quite odd if those do occur and that they offend people. I don't think most people here on campus are racist but some latent racism does tend to happen but i think its all in good fun. SOme sterotypes have been played too much and it does become old that people should grow out of it but mainly fraternities and soroities hold these parties and you can't account everyone that goes to these racial undertone parties as a rasict but the only thing to do about it would be to take action. Fri, 5 Mar 2010 19:14:56 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/whats-with-the-theme-parties__trashed/#IDComment59926610 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-two__trashed/#IDComment58896505 Because we are American's we are suppose to take the responsibility and the blame for things done centuries ago even if our own ancestry was not a part of it. I think that even though we accept and acknowledge the blame of what was done many years ago was a terrible thing to happen, something’s have come out of it, such as weighing a benefit risk ratio. That because people have sacrificed their land their culture in most ways, that a country was able to thrive allowing the civil rights and liberties that we all have now. It’s not that we can just give it back, because yes people do live on these areas, work or whatever we do on some ancient ground that was centuries ago some burial spot for relatives those now keeping to their roots try and push their culture forward, only through isolation would they have been able to preserve their culture like the tribes in Africa, but due to the location and what has happened through revolutions and time, I think they would be sad to know their culture is dying but glad that something at least decent in some way has come from the problem. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:42:58 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-two__trashed/#IDComment58896505 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58895303 Its a difficult idea to be politically correct at all times and not offend someone, like one of the videos show 'it's not my place to say but...' Usually it should only be the involving person's opinion to weigh their options under certain circumstances. Most of the time, some people place their opinion on different issues by only hearing a slanted slide of the argument usually resulting in a opinion based entirely on one side. Something like that usually results in bad decision making, and i've had first hand experience having someone else give my friend an opinion when he doesn't understand the full picture of what has happened. It seems that there needs to be a point where you need to say something like when a person is wrongly accused and you are liable to do something about or go about your business like nothing happened. The video Prof. R showed in class about the storeowner made some very clear distinctions on when something should be said and when something should not be. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:30:25 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58895303 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/question-on-discrimination__trashed/#IDComment58894222 Those crazy white people. I think that there is a few deciding factors that some people depend on when going in for a interview when either trying to get a job or evaluating people to give them the job they apply for. I know for one thing I'd look at the person's ability to carry on an intelligent conversation with the least likely amount of "like" "you know" "ummm's" which I found that one interviewer pulled that into a quick ending quote when somebody couldn't express what they were trying to say without saying those phrases over and over during the entire interview. "ummm like, you know, you didn't get the job." But when the applications are carrying themselves well I don't think it comes down to the race but who will better apply themselves and who looks better in an interview. When you have people send in resumes they most likely do look at names because that is all they see and the qualifications you hold when comparing to other people for a single position. When you go in for an interview you’re not only representing yourself to get a certain position but your forcing them to look past what is on the piece of paper and show what qualities you hold that make you stand out apart from the other people. Like the application process for college, each person wanted to make themselves stand out from the rest by telling a life story of something they experienced or they learned and what would make them interested in the college. Some tell riveting stories or others may talk about some experiences which made them choose the career path they wanted and does something differ such as spraying a hint of perfume on the paper before sending it in. It’s all to make you stand out from the dull that is the other thousand people they did not want to accept and made them choose you. The race card will only differ a few times out of the choices some people make. Yes affirmative action has put some people in a better position to get a job over a white person. I think the affirmative action system is kind of skewed that some place are associated with being racist if they don’t meet certain quotas of different ethnic groups. But for those people that rely on AA some questions arise as to it being more motivating to getting that position by beating out the competition fairly or because you were given the edge, but either way no one likes to lose. So it leaves the system to a point where they rather have it in place and keep in different ethnicities as ‘quotas’ and not as people. It is a little depressing to see that there has become somewhat of a reverse racism become common and how it has basically made the playing field very treacherous for any group. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:20:22 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/question-on-discrimination__trashed/#IDComment58894222 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/another-reason-why-gay-marriage-matters__trashed/#IDComment57670891 I should have seen an article like this coming, but it’s definitely new to see it from a different perspective and in a way that I didn't necessarily think happened. Besides one of their mother's being abducted during the middle of the night, handcuffed and about to be deported, I think that would be considered a little excessive and problematic for the same sex couples. I mean in some states they do have the right to marry but aren't given the same privileges, as I see some comedians telling jokes such as "married people are miserable, if gays and lesbians want to be miserable too, might as well let em" but I think there is also the opposite end when some are actually happy to be with their spouse and they should not be denied that same right, as it says "the pursuit of happiness" in the constitution. They judge marriage on faith but of which faith you must be in order to get married, last I checked not all religions have bans on same sex marriages but the US does because the majority is catholic so they all got to be mindless and follow the word of the church. It’s funny how people can't think for themselves in these kinds of situations and leave people like this getting the very short end of the stick. Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:33:14 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/another-reason-why-gay-marriage-matters__trashed/#IDComment57670891 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/lgbt-class-question-six__trashed/#IDComment57670154 After reading a few responses i personally think that there are two extremes where some people will be offended by either same sex groupings, those that are 'ok with one, or those that are not offended by any. I see it as more of the people fall within the grouping that are 'ok' with a same sex coupling. I think its because some people see it as natural like guys seeing girls as objects of affection and seeing two girls together is hot. but is turned away by a gay couple because its not what they personally like. It seems the opposite for the female group where gays are 'ok' but some lesbian couples are not. I think there is a exponential amount of people within the other two categories usually persuaded by outside opinions based on judgements of someone else instead of thinking for themselves. But as I see it everyone likes certain things and when one guy finds a girl, he's lucky, and when one guy finds 2 girls its called a "jackpot". Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:25:32 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/lgbt-class-question-six__trashed/#IDComment57670154