en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/492614 Comments by nomayo http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20659269 At least we agree that Al Gore is a waste of skin, right? Mon, 4 May 2009 17:14:05 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20659269 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20659220 If you believe that the existing 9/11�commission�report was sufficient investigation, you're in the minority. �Most people I have talked to about 9/11 agree that it was pathetic and a new investigation should happen. �Even if we got a new investigation, though, who would lead it? Mon, 4 May 2009 17:13:07 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20659220 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20659134 While the government has it's issues with leaks and leakers, I don't think there are people at this level of 'need to know' that can't be trusted. � Mon, 4 May 2009 17:11:04 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20659134 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20277662 Two things to note in this article on wikipedia: 7 World Trade Center housed SEC files relating to numerous Wall Street investigations, as well as other federal investigative files. All the files for approximately 3,000 to 4,000 SEC cases were destroyed. While some were backed up in other places, others were not, especially those classified as confidential.[50] Files relating Citigroup to the WorldCom scandal were lost.[51] The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission estimates over 10,000 cases will be affected.[52] The Secret Service had its largest field office, with more than 200 employees, in WTC 7 and also lost investigative files. Says one agent: “All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building.” *and, my personal favorite* The collapse of 7 World Trade Center is remarkable because it was the first known instance of a tall building collapsing primarily as a result of uncontrolled fires. Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:21:33 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20277662 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20271647 What I feel is that the collapse of building 7 was suspicious. We're told that the jet fuel weakened the steel in the towers and the immense weight of the structures above caused a pancake collapse. Building 7 didn't have the hot burning jet fuel fires, and yet it collapsed in what appeared to be the exact same way. Even the owner of the building suggested in an interview that they 'pulled' the building... The whole thing smells funny to me. That's all I'm saying... Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:37:57 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20271647 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20208851 If you think that the people pulling the strings and throwing the levers in this world wouldn't sacrifice a few thousand American lives over a lie, how do you explain the war? The attack was necessary because fear is the great motivator. The USS Cole attack and the Marine barrack attacks didn't get people mad or scared enough to do what they wanted to do. 9/11 was either planned or allowed to happen because it moved us closer to the end goal of these globalists. Think of me and what I said next time you watch a 97 year old white woman in a wheelchair being treated like a terrorist at the airport. The goal was fear and control and we gave them that in spades over the last eight years. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:37:16 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20208851 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20208063 From my perspective, I think that people within our government and other governments who support this globalist agenda had like minded members of our intelligence services recruit a team covertly to pull it off. They funded them, assisted them and covered it up because it was a convenient attack for the globalists and their masters, the banking cartels, the oil companies and the defense contractors. This gives them the start of their 'war on terror' which was really a 'war on freedom' and leads us right into the bankruptcy of the country they need to make the final step toward a global banking cartel controlling world currency and ultimately the people. All of this is an effort to enact the population controls that these globalists have been suggesting for decades. The planet cannot sustain this many people, living the way we do forever and we all know it. Either they're evil bastards hellbent on killing us off or they're being merciful and sparing us from the famine and water shortages we'll likely see in the next hundred years. Either way they're ensuring their own positions in the new order. Think about this... If we're going to become a part of this global empire, America has the most to lose. We've got freedom and comfort that most of the world only dreams of. Do you think that the citizens of every dictatorship in the world will suddenly be given the freedoms we enjoy? Do you think that the effort and money will be spent to give these people the standard of living we enjoy? I think not. What we can expect is to all end up somewhere in the middle, with little personal freedom or control, working our butts off to pay our taxes while we wait to be culled like livestock by our new globalist masters. Am I exaggerating? Maybe. I hope so. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:31:54 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20208063 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20206003 I always thought of it in different terms. The WTC complex housed so many law enforcement agencies and the people who were actively investigating some bad folks. Suppose you're investigating a bunch of bankers and elites for their involvement in the financial schemes of the time. You head to work on 9/11 and watch these same people orchestrate a stunning attack on civilians in the middle of one of our biggest cities in front of your bosses and their bosses and the leaders of world governments. Worse yet, the media is there to see it. Just when you're about to start telling of the inconsistencies and strangeness you witnessed over the weeks leading up to the attack, you notice the media being totally complicit in the coverup. Then it dawns on you... If they'll kill 3000 people in front of the entire world and all of these people are in on it, what do you suppose they'll do to me, my family and those around me when I break ranks and start speaking out? I would guess that the attack itself was enough of a deterrent that most people won't talk about their part in or knowledge of the attack. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:16:47 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20206003 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20204624 Actually, I think my eyes whited over like the dude on heroes and when I came out of my trance that's what I had. I know I'm long winded, but that's no reason to find a conspiracy within my conspiracy. ;) Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:06:59 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20204624 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20203067 And it only took one ridiculous accent to ruin the whole thing... Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:55:41 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20203067 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20202916 I'm an IT guy. Applying what I know to be true from my line of work, the world is filled with lazy, uninformed idiots who can't ever accept blame for anything, ripe for the picking of a few smart politicians and businessmen with a plan. Again I'll say it. You're setting the bar really high for people trying to prove something quite sinister while setting the bar really low for the professional liars who we know to be the enemy. If you think the government and the media are telling you the truth about almost anything, you're the delusional one. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:54:23 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20202916 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20202351 So because you answered a question that I didn't even directly ask you with a lay explanation of weakened steel, somehow you claim victory in our debate? There are tons of inconsistencies and I don't think people should stop asking questions until they are all answered. Let's see if you can go 2 for 2 since you're so smart. Why did building 7 collapse? No plane, no jet fuel, small fires that couldn't possibly have weakened the steel. Convince me that the building collapsed in some scenario other than a perfect, controlled demolition. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:50:17 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20202351 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20201409 It didn't answer my questions, so while you might consider it to be 'incontrovertible' (i think that's the word you meant to use), I don't. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you can't explain away hundreds of inconsistencies with one post about weakened steel. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:43:54 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20201409 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20201006 Thank you for taking the time to add your valuable comments to the debate. Unfortunately, the adults are speaking now. We'll let you know when you can chime in with your five year old pop culture references, poop jokes and lame attempts at humor. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:40:42 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20201006 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20200611 If you're going to take the time to reply, please at least tell me what specifically you are saying isn't true about my post... What I find amazing is how people like you set the bar really high for people who personally have nothing to gain from gaining the truth, and how low you set it for people who we know are paid, professional liars who have everything to lose by having said truths exposed. 1. Which facts are meaningless? What was false? What was incomplete or out of context? 2. I'm not sure how you can live in this day and age where you're being profiled, harvested and sold to from the moment you wake until you go to bed every night and not see the bigger picture. I think there is a small group of people manipulating the public into a course of action that does not represent our best interests. I think, based on what I know to be true and what I suspect to be true that this conspiracy exists. What makes you think it's not happening? Are you saying that you believe that the government is honest? Are you saying that the media is independent and operating in our best interest? Are you saying that you don't believe that groups of people representing global business, media and government don't gather regularly to discuss policy in private, closed meetings that are an open secret around the world? Do you believe that the official 9/11 story is 100% true and that OBL and Al Qeada pulled off the attack alone? Do you find it hard to believe that our government does evil things (either in pursuit of what we believe to be right or just in the interest of being evil) that they wouldn't want you to know about? Have you ever held any level of clearance or been privy to private information that you didn't share either out of respect, obligation or fear? Can you admit that people are flawed? How many times have you fallen for the check scam on craigslist? (that one was a joke...) 3. The videotapes are missing. The first responders are being denied care. The transcripts remain classified. There are missing details. 4. I feel confident in my conclusion given what I can prove. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. The government does not provide simple explanations. Take for example the 9/11 commission report which weighs more than my dog but fails to acknowledge any of the inconsistencies in the story, the financial connections to pakistan, why building 7 collapsed, etc. The real point here isn't for me to debate people point by point about what happened on 9/11, but to get people to admit that the official story left questions and to make people want the answers as much as I do. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:37:51 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20200611 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20195989 It seems you may have applied your "question everything" mantra inside out... Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:04:06 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20195989 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20195754 None of the leaks ever implicated anyone important. If they did, someone was there to take the fall (scooter). This is why everything in government (and the military) is compartmentalized. Let's not forget the power of the media, either. Before 9/11, we were ready to hang Gary Condit, and years later we find out he wasn't involved at all. If you can admit that: 1. The government lies to us all the time. 2. The media repeats these lies until they're true. Something fishy happened on 9/11, is happening now, and people need to ask questions. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:02:33 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20195754 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20194658 Yep. That helps. What you're saying is that thermite would have been the ideal choice to bring down a structure like that, and that noone would suspect anything when they find the core components among the rubble. What I don't get, however, is why building 7 collapsed. Care to tackle that one? Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:54:24 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20194658 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20193975 Lying is stressful. Stress ages you. Plastic surgery hides the lines. If you trotted your puppet out every day to tell lies and defraud the world, you'd make sure he was in tip top shape, too. The teleprompter handles everything else. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:50:51 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20193975 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20192423 Nobody heard of Jimmy Carter either, and he was groomed by the same folks. Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:39:45 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjena/2009/04/29/that’s-the-conspiracy-i’m-starting/#IDComment20192423