en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/889735 Comments by mumblestilskin http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/03/11/cliff-crime-punishment-and-wrestling/#IDComment62275690 Joe- i would say because you dont read about how things are handled with in the press, dosnt mean they aren't handled by sports coaches or osu. I have met the coaches and many athletes many times over the years. Not just this staff, the one before too. My experience is that you couldn't find motre stand-up individuals, who hold kids accountable. As far as mediocrity, well I think this has been one of our most succesful programs as of late. The man who was charged with the assault had to take a plea, the laternative was a threatned 3 years in prison, huge fines and lawyer fees. Not really a chance that was worth taking. Facts will show that police never took a statement from the wrestlers, only the other 6. Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:04:36 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/03/11/cliff-crime-punishment-and-wrestling/#IDComment62275690 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/03/11/cliff-crime-punishment-and-wrestling/#IDComment61703075 I dont believe the other group was charged with anything, not disorderly, nothing. Perhaps the press should have investigated a little to see there was six vs two. Both partyies definitely could have avoided the situation. It seems odd that one group was cited and one was not. I highly doubt it was an outright jumping of the six by two. I am sure the crime reporter told half the story and left out the part about the larger group coming upon the two and calling them slurs that if true, would likley have the press reporting an alleged "hate crime". But since it wasn't the case, it was easier to demonize the athletes for being more able to fefend themselves and turn the group of six into " the victims". Six on two, pretty good odss most of the time. A 145 lb guy and another with a broken and fused neck charged as the pers. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:18:26 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/03/11/cliff-crime-punishment-and-wrestling/#IDComment61703075 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/03/11/cliff-crime-punishment-and-wrestling/#IDComment61629170 Cliff's post said the matter was dealt and continues to be dealt with internally. Just because Ms. Beck or the athletic dept. does not lay it all out for everyone does not mean nothing was done, etc. The altercation happened almost a year ago? It is not uncommon for courts to drag out and now we are reading about it. It seems Mr. Mangrum's biggest issue was being irresponsible and not making a court date. Not ideal obviously, but generally not punishable by jail for an individual with no criminal background. Being familiar with the judicial system, it is not unusual for a first time offender with a misdemeanor to get probation, fines and community service. Cyclists were drunk,approached the pedestrians and then trouble followed. Group of 6 witnesses vs. group of 2 witnesses, nuff said. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:05:36 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/03/11/cliff-crime-punishment-and-wrestling/#IDComment61629170 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/03/11/cliff-crime-punishment-and-wrestling/#IDComment61629035 it seems some of the details of the incident have escaped the court and the local press. Why has it not been brought up that a group of 5-6 people started the altercation with the two wrestlers? As someone mentioned, the people on bikes must have stopped or come back to the two wrestlers. Mr. Mangrum was not charged with assault, he was charged with disorderly conduct. That is after police were on the scene and interviews with the other party. Police pulled up to on the scene after being called by way of cell phone by 1 of the 5 or 6 individuals that were getting the worst of it from 1 guy (not Mangrum by the way). The larger group in stature and numbers got into an argument/altercation with a 5"3", 145 lb guy and another guy with a broken neck, then the other former wrestler (again not Mangrum) got into trouble because he finished the fight. Perhaps he should not have defended himself and his well being. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:05:10 +0000 http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2010/03/11/cliff-crime-punishment-and-wrestling/#IDComment61629035