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13 years ago @ World In Conversation - Voices From The Classroom · 0 replies · +1 points
One of the main things I am taking away from Soc 119 is to be open-minded. That notion may be a little vague or general, but that’s how I think about it. Too often, we get accustomed to something and then it’s hard for us to break away from it. It’s human nature… we’re afraid of what we don’t know. It is important for us to look at elements of life from all different angles, directions, whatever. The discussion group really helped me with that. Yeah, hearing Sam’s opinions or thoughts about certain things was cool. But what really did it for me was hearing my classmates’ views on different topics. I think I definitely learned more (and had way more fun) during discussions than during lecture. There are so many different backgrounds and patterns of thinking represented by the group I was lucky enough to sign up for. Hearing my peers say things that I didn’t necessarily agree with wasn’t always the easiest thing in the world. Again, when I disagreed, my first reaction was to think: “that’s stupid” or “he’s wrong”. But then I would take a step back and try to understand where the person was coming from. Being able to understand others’ views is something I’ll be able to carry with me for the rest of my life. Even if I don’t agree with another person’s ideas, morals, choices, actions, etc., I am at least able to appreciate why he or she feels the way they do.
Thinking about it, it’s really hard to write down what I took away from this class. Mostly everything is an intangible feeling or thought, as opposed to a math class where I could say, “I learned how to do this or that.” I would say this class was an experience, and in some ways maybe even a journey. Soc 119 was absolutely unlike any class I’ve taken during my time here at Penn State. I guess if it comes down to it, I think this is what I’ve gotten most: Just listen, observe, and be aware of others. And don’t be afraid to ask why.
13 years ago @ World In Conversation - Voices From The Classroom · 0 replies · +1 points
That being said, one thing that could probably trigger the thought of murder in me is someone hurting a family member of mine. For example, if my mother, sister, girlfriend, wife, etc. got raped – or worse – I would probably consider murdering the person who did it. That’s just unacceptable in my eyes. If the person doesn’t go to prison for the rest of his life, then maybe murder would be acceptable.
I already know I’m going to love being a father so much. It’s one of the only things I’m really looking forward to in life. So if my child was seriously, purposefully harmed, I may consider murder there as well. There’s a certain level of protection that I’m going to feel responsible for, in regards to my kids. I’m not going to be overprotective by any means, but I guess there’s distinct things that if someone would do them to my kids, it would make me want to murder him or her. You just don’t fuck with somebody’s kids, that’s really all there is to it.
You hear about all these stories of kids getting kidnapped, raped, and murdered. I’m aware that it’s extremely rare – way more rare than most Americans believe – but still, if it happened, I could see myself maybe reacting violently and possibly killing the other person. I guess I would have to be in that situation to truly know what I would do. When you think about it, there’s really no way any of us can say for sure they would kill someone else. Until we’re facing extreme conditions (and seemingly horrible conditions at the same time, like a family member being murdered) we don’t know how we would react. Most people would probably like to think that they would be able to hurt someone who hurt them/the people they love. And I think that’s the way it should be. That’s a part of caring about someone. But again, until they’re placed in that situation, they don’t know what they would do. I can imagine that it takes a lot of psychological pressure to reach that point, and it would only increase should someone decide to commit murder.
13 years ago @ World In Conversation - Voices From The Classroom · 0 replies · +1 points
On a very general scale, I don’t understand religion. I get that some people need something to put their faith in, and that’s fine. It’s probably a great sense of security to know that there is some great being watching over us, if not shaping our every move. I have no problem with religious people – we’re all free to believe what we want, and act in accordance to those beliefs. I’m a firm believer in the idea that your religion should be just that – YOUR religion. Your faith should be between you and whoever/whatever you believe in. But where I get lost is when religion leads people to do amoral things, like hurting those of other faiths or forcing (or strongly persuading) them to convert to the “correct” religion. Granted, it’s important to note that most societal morals and norms come from religion in one way or another). However, a line has to be drawn somewhere.
In my eyes, religion is man-made. We don’t, and most likely will never, know which religion (if any) is the “right” one to follow. But it doesn’t even matter. I think the idea of religion is more important than the religion itself, and that’s where people get lost. It shouldn’t run peoples’ lives – it should be used to guide them. Personally, I have an issue with investing so much into something that I don’t know exists. I have a hard time believing in heaven, hell, god/s, etc. because I don’t know if they truly exist or not. The only ‘proof’ we have is a book that was written by some guys. Why should I believe it?
Again, I’m not against religion. I just happen to spend my time investing in things with more tangible benefits. But religion is at the root of so many issues in the world. Look at the Israel/Palestine war. What was/is the cause for all of this fighting? Religion. All of this “our religion is right, yours is wrong; our religion says that land belongs to us, not you” is bullshit. That Jesus Camp is another example. I’ve seen the movie, and I couldn’t help but laugh throughout… but it’s really not funny. It’s fucking scary, along with all other forms of religious fanaticism. Anyone who doesn’t agree with your religious beliefs doesn’t deserve to live? Really? That’s the equivalent of me wanting every Ohio State student dead because they don’t go to Penn State.
The foundation of most religions is treating fellow men with respect. That is lost when people start worrying about what others believe in. A human construct is causing so much pain and evil in the world. Isn’t that the opposite of what most faiths preach?
13 years ago @ World In Conversation - Voices From The Classroom · 0 replies · +1 points
That being said, I think starting a movement based on an idea like this is totally possible. If enough people buy into what’s going on, this dude might be able to make a difference somehow. As cliché as it is, we only have to look at people like Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X. Without going into details about each man’s modus operandi, they had extremely different strategies in regards to both achieving their goals and gaining support and followers. Anyway, they both had an idea, and worked hard to garner supporters. After a lot of hard work and problems, they both started to gain support, and people started buying into their plans to change the way black people were treated in the United States. But, even after they gained a strong following, neither saw much tangible change occur while they were alive. So here’s the problem we face with an idea like this: even if you think you’re making a change, and people agree with your thoughts and want to help… even if you’re in the national or international spotlight, it’s clearly hard to make a true difference. Granted, after their deaths, MLK and Malcolm X’s visions eventually came to light, so change is obviously possible if enough people want it.
So I guess if he really tried hard enough and really cared enough, this dude could start a chain reaction and more and more people would stop buying electronics that contribute to overseas labor problems. The key is numbers. One guy on his own can’t do much, but if he had enough people on his side, who knows. I’m still skeptical that anything would change because so many people want the newest phones, computers, whatever. But maybe I’m wrong.
13 years ago @ World In Conversation - Voices From The Classroom · 0 replies · +1 points
When you think about it, it’s pretty funny how much emphasis we place on how people look. When you go into a job interview, you want to make a good first impression – so you buy some new clothes that you may never wear again, you get a haircut, and do whatever else you have to in order to “look your best”. What if the most qualified candidate walks into the room in jeans, flip flops, and a t-shirt? Theoretically, shouldn’t he or she get the job? We worry so much about how people look, to the point where we immediately write someone off if they’re not dressed ‘normally’. If one of the guys with the hat and the first girl both interviewed for the same position, wearing what they are in the video, I have no doubt in my mind that 10/10 employers would choose the girl.
In my opinion, this all comes down to being afraid of what you don’t know. There are so many different styles of clothing, but if something isn’t mainstream, or even (socially-decided) acceptable, our immediate reaction is to think it’s weird, ugly, whatever. I keep going back to this, but the guys with the fitted hats are a great thing to analyze. If my father saw those guys, he would be quick to judge them because their hats aren’t like a traditional baseball cap. It’s different than what he grew up with and what he’s used to. Some of my friends at home wear hats like that, or tilted up and off to the side. My dad gives them crap for it all the time. There’s always going to be that generational gap, and some things among young kids will just never register with the older people. But why does something as obsolete as clothing and demeanor lead someone to be judged so negatively? I’m not sure if it’s possible, but if we could adjust our views to incorporate more important things – like how people act and how they treat others – then maybe the guys in this video would be seen in the same light as the girls.
13 years ago @ World In Conversation - Voices From The Classroom · 0 replies · +1 points
This point is particularly important when looking at the older black women who witnessed the white guy trying to steal the bike. When asked why they didn’t intervene, their answer essentially said that since he was white, it was unlikely he’d be stealing the bike. One of them went on to say that she has been conditioned to assume that a young black guy (or girl) is more likely to commit a crime than a white guy (or girl), so she just assumed he ‘lost his key’. White people aside, even most black people would assume a black guy is stealing a bike and a white guy has a reason for doing what he’s doing… that’s pretty crazy.
It’s just assumed in America – and probably around the world, too – that a black person is more likely to commit a crime than a white person, no matter the circumstances. But I think it’s important to note a few things about the ‘experiment’ within the video. It was stated that their clothing was a ‘control’; “we dressed them in similar clothes.” That was bullshit, they clearly didn’t. Sure, the clothes were LOOSELY similar, but the black guy’s pants were much more baggy, and his hat was tilted to the side, as opposed to white guy’s tighter pants and straight (although backwards) hat. I’m sure that had something to do with the parkgoers’ perceptions. It would have been interesting to flip their outfits to see if anything changed.
I’m trying to think how I would react if put in that situation, but I just can’t say for sure. I’m a naturally a conflict-averse person; I’d rather stay out of drama altogether. I think I would probably assume the guy was stealing the bike no matter his race, for the simple fact that he has a saw, chain cutters, etc. (after all, growing up in the city, I’ve watched both white and black people commit a number of crimes). But I doubt I would step in. Sometimes we just need to take a step back and look at the situation, and do our best not to let stereotypes and perceptions get the best of our judgment, which seems almost next to impossible after watching that video.
13 years ago @ World In Conversation - Voices From The Classroom · 0 replies · +1 points
I think it’s important to note that I would try my best not to instill a false sense of hope in her… As we have seen in class, it’s almost impossible for someone in her situation to drastically change it. It seems that she already knew this, but I would definitely take the time to reiterate to her that it isn’t her fault. Based on all of the background knowledge I have – for example, her father have 22 kids and bringing them all up in poverty – I would have to say this was, for all intents and purposes, unavoidable for Tammy. In Sam’s words, Tammy’s situation was determined by “factors and forces outside of her control” (the invisible strings). The more I think about this, her life, as it was portrayed in the video, only sets her up to continue this pattern. Everything’s working against her.
I know I touched upon the difficulties of improving her conditions earlier. That’s mostly true. But at the same time, as hypocritical as it sounds, I’d stress the importance of trying to make a better life for her kids. It really touched a nerve for me when she was talking about how her son is “no better than she is”. If he wants to go to college and attempt to improve his life, who is she to hold him back? Even if he goes to school, and then he ends up failing, dropping out, or whatever, at least he tried. At least he can say he had the opportunity to change the situation he’s in. All in all, this whole idea is complicated. I’d be lying if I told her or her kids that hard work and determination is enough to improve life. Sometimes it’s not – there’s a certain amount of luck needed, as well.
In the end, a number of factors have determined and will continue to determine how Tammy’s life plays out. She really had no control over what family she was born into, or the fact that her father was as irresponsible as he was (in the sense of having 22 children, knowing they would grow up in poverty). On top of that, she has little to no control over her current situation. I guess all she can do is continue to work, and live life the best she can, while trying to help her kids all that she can.
13 years ago @ World In Conversation - Voices from the Classroom · 0 replies · +1 points
The first explanation I thought of was that maybe some (probably not all) rich people in class don’t know they’re rich. Sure, they probably know they’re pretty well off. But if someone grows up in a rich area, and they aren’t exposed to any other socioeconomic conditions, what’s around them is going to seem like the norm. While this is sort of hard to believe when talking about college students (hopefully they’d understand by now) – maybe it would be more likely among children who don’t really understand being rich vs. being poor to begin with – it’s still possible. (Granted, there’s more to it than just rich vs. poor, but for the sake of making a point, I will place anyone who isn’t ‘rich’ into the poor category.)
My second idea was that it’s hard to define what ‘rich’ or ‘wealthy’ really mean. My definition of rich is probably different than someone else’s. Going back to my previous example, I hope it would pretty clear to someone our age if his or her family has money or not. But they still might not consider themselves ‘rich’. If he or she knows someone/a family with more money, a bigger house, nicer cars, then maybe in this person’s eyes, THAT’S being rich. In other words, the grass is always greener… “I’m not rich, HE’S rich.”
The last thing I came up with is that it’s incredibly likely that some people were embarrassed. Being on the other side of the rich vs. poor table, it seems like a silly thing to be embarrassed of. I think it goes without saying most of us would love to be rich. But think about it – when put in a room of 700+ people, knowing that a good number of these people don’t come from wealthy families (especially because it’s a race relations class and there are so many different people coming from so many different backgrounds and experiences), would you feel comfortable admitting your family has money? Apparently rich people are a clear minority within this class, they don’t want to be singled out in front of everyone, just as no one raised their hand when Sam asked if there were any lesbians in the room – which is possible, but hard to believe considering the amount of students. Inversely, if it was common knowledge that most of the class was rich, I can only assume any poor students would be hesitant to raise their hand if Sam asked, “Who in here is poor?” It’s an interesting dynamic… it’s usually no one’s own fault that they’re rich or poor, yet we place such a large importance on it, so much so that people are afraid to admit belonging in a certain category.
13 years ago @ World In Conversation - Voices From The Classroom · 0 replies · +1 points
These assumptions probably just come from cultural reinforcement. I can remember a few specific instances when my father called an Asian person ‘Chinese’. Now obviously, he didn’t know for sure whether or not the person was in fact Chinese. I don’t think we mean to be ignorant in this sense – it just sort of happens. I think it would be the same way for an Asian person looking at me. Granted, it’s a little different because we’re normally just called ‘white’ or ‘American’. Regardless, I feel like it would be difficult for someone to look at me and guess that I’m Irish/French.
This exercise tells me how racially – and ultimately culturally – ignorant we are. This seems to be a recurring theme in this class, but there are a lot of things we don’t know, in regards to others. Instead of trying to understand, we just assume whatever we’re used to assuming and nothing ever changes. But I don’t really see this ever changing, either. No matter how informed, knowledgeable, or educated we are about other people and their backgrounds, these misconceptions will always exist. It’s human nature to lump people into groups based on different things. It sounds messed up to say, but even though I can see differences in eye and face shapes, Chinese, Japanese, Korean people, etc., will, to a certain extent, always look the same to me. I guess MAYBE if I went to live in China or Japan, and I was exposed to the people all day everyday, I would be able to pinpoint differences much easier.
I’m not sure if our ignorance is such a bad thing. If we knew everything, there would be nothing to learn. Our differences (and similarities) are important. Not being able to tell people apart may seem like a bad thing, but it’s also kind of cool. There’s so much to discover about other people. If we knew EVERYTHING and were aware of everything, there wouldn’t be any room to grow.
13 years ago @ World In Conversation - Voices From The Classroom · 0 replies · +1 points
As far as the “east and west” goes, I think hip-hop could help to bridge the gap in a number of ways. I would say that the average person in the west doesn’t know much about the east – and if they do know a lot, chances are they learned it from news outlets that tend to fabricate stories to play into the west biases. There’s a lot of things we don’t know about the east, and contemporary culture tells us that’s okay, when it’s really not. We judge them and their lifestyles without having the slightest idea what they’re about. When we spoke to Pedram via Skype, the question was raised how Iranians would treat visiting Americans. We only see violence on the news related to the east, so it’s our natural instinct to assume we’d have to worry about our safety there, when in reality, we could not be more wrong. Hip-hop could help break through these boundaries of news-inspired assumptions.
Hip-hop can provide a raw, uncensored, and hopefully unbiased view. While rappers like Lupe Fiasco, Mos Def, Talib Kweli talk about east/west issues, someone like Omar Offendum would be particularly useful because he is from Syrian-American, whereas most others are solely American (meaning they and both parents were born and/or raised in the US). For lack of a better term, knowing and experiencing both sides of the story gives Omar a unique perspective, and he obviously applies it to his music. He spoke about eastern cultures respecting men with beards – how they’re revered as being wise – but after 9/11 they were “public enemy number one” in America and the west. Something as simple as a beard creates such a large cultural difference that we don’t even think about. I’ve only heard one song, but I can tell his music has a positive and informative nature. He’s lucky to experience two different cultures, and it’s clearly influencing his music in a good way. Hopefully it rubs off on whoever his listeners and audience may be. A person like Omar can teach people how to accept and understand differences through his music because he has experience with both sides.