en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/1117654 Comments by macwpsu429 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85201532 My parents didn’t just hand me money to do things and sometimes, I wish they would have. Now, I feel confused, when I have kids, do I want them to learn to work for what they have and get out there at 14 to work and make money so I don’t give them everything…or do I give them what I didn’t have? Since I knew how it felt and how much I hated missing out on things because my parents wouldn’t help me, why would I do that to my own child? There is nothing wrong with hard work and there is nothing wrong with sometimes saying you want to take the easy pass. Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:19:37 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85201532 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85201508 July 7th Response I defiantly have to say I agree with you when it comes to a “hard work free pass,” so to speak. My parents always raised my brother and sisters and I that you can’t get anything without hard work, and it is rewarding to work hard for what you want. From the age of 14 I was always working trying to save for a car, work to pay for a car, work to pay a cell phone bill. I was proud that I had worked so hard and got what I wanted. I would tell my friends how irresponsible they were for not doing things on there own and acted as if I was better than them. Really, I was screaming inside jealous that their parents gave them whatever they wanted and they didn’t have to work. I missed so many events, parties, and social events that I could have been out being a kid and having fun but instead I had to work to pay my bills. Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:19:26 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85201508 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85200084 I never thought I would find myself being like my parents, “back in my day,” but I am finding myself with no other words except those. I shake my head when I see the up and new coming generation, same as I am sure those before me did. Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:13:24 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85200084 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85200071 I also found the picture of “I deserve what I get when it is something I want,” to be amusing. Now a days people think that something is always “owed” to them or that they can simply get whatever they want without working for it. That drives me nuts. Although it doesn’t completely relate to it, but this reminds me of youngsters these days. Every child, yes child, about 8 and up has every electronic and gadget that is out there on the market. How ridiculous! These kids get whatever toys they want that cost hundreds of dollars and they are learning absolutely nothing except they can get what they want. I didn’t get a cell phone until I had a job and was old enough to pay for it. I got my own computer when I graduated high school; I got the newest electronics on my birthday or for Christmas, if that. I believe these youngsters are growing up believing they can get what they want because they want it. These kids are not learning responsibility or the value of nearly anything if they are being treated in this manner. Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:13:20 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85200071 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85199947 In high school we treated each other so horrible, and don’t realize, high school is barely a fraction of what is to come in our lives and you don’t benefit at all from terrorizing one another. Of course, we know that now we didn’t realize that back then. Therefore, I was not surprised by the answers given by the students that they think they are better than such and such and that it was not surprising that some thought they deserved something or acted in certain ways. Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:13:04 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85199947 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85199927 July 7th Post I was most interested this week to read the survey given to the high school students. It is funny, being out of high school now a couple of years I can’t help but look back and think, how ridiculous. When you are in high school, you think you are better than this person, this person is a nerd, that person is a loser, that person is the most popular…so on and so fourth. Guess what? Where is that nerd or the most popular now? In high school we spend so much time judging each other and making up our own little clicks, and, none of it, absolutely none of it means anything at all. In my experience after leaving high school, that “nerd,” is now on his way to a masters degree in engineering and doing wonderful respectable things in his life and guess what, miss I am most popular and better than you ended up getting knocked up by mister popular at 18 right out of high school and they split up and now she is a single mother trying to work and go to school. Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:12:55 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-8-lesson-14-affirmative-action__trashed/#IDComment85199927 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment83557627 If you don’t belong in this country, you don’t belong. I am sure that there is a long ridiculous process to go through to come to this country; however, there is a process for a reason. I am sure people come to this country illegally trying to make a better life for their family and everything else. However, I know many people that scam the system. I know people that pay people off thousands of dollars to have them marry someone to make them a citizen. These two people will act like they love each other, live together, etc., for 5 years I believe it is, just so that person can have their family come here from another country. What the heck is that. The only worse thing is that our government isn’t even smart enough to realize people do that. I agree with everything you said, the law is a law for a reason, it is to protect us and keep us safe. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:03:41 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment83557627 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment83557515 I have to say I agree with you and I don’t feel the least bit guilty of saying it. It is ridiculous the amount of illegal immigrants in this country and I feel nothing is being done about. More recently in California, the new immigration laws put into place were hammered and butchered. Too bad. I believe that California’s proposed laws actually might have done some good in this country. I never followed through until the end result but I believe that checking people and their status is fair. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:03:33 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment83557515 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment83556426 . My dad wanted to take a trip to the Holy Lands, the travel agent informed him that the tour group would be surrounded with guards with machine guns and that it is common for people in those countries to come up to you and spit on you if they hear you talk English. “Those” people hate “us” people. I think that shows that we aren’t the only country full of discrimination and hate I suppose. Needless to say, mom and dad won’t be going there. It isn’t more of a freedom or a biased that I don’t like when people don’t speak English, it is simply frustrating when you can’t even understand someone. It isn’t right of me to think that way, but oh well, I do. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:58:44 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment83556426 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment83556362 That isn’t right, but it’s frustrating. At my moms work, the owners are Egyptian; they walk around all day talking in Egyptian. It is funny; you know when they are talking about you because the only thing in the conversation you understand is your name. They can’t change that! My mom will tell them to speak English, they just laugh. Growing up my best friend was Spanish; when I would go to her house it was awful. Her family only spoke Spanish and refused to speak English. I would be sitting on the couch, “what did they say,” “what is she saying,” because I didn’t have any clue. It was amusing but yet it was also uncomfortable. It was uncomfortable to be around people and not know what anyone is saying. On the other hand, my mom and dad travel a lot to other countries, and they have no clue what the other languages are and they walk around talking English. I am sure people think the same thing about my parents when they hear them talking in English. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:58:36 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment83556362 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment83556332 Sunday July 4th I have to say I am guilty of being one of those people that can’t stand when people don’t speak English! That just drives me nuts! This is America Speak English darn it!!!! I will never forget that man in Philly who had a restaurant; he actually put a sign up that said Speak English. Don’t remember whatever came from that. I don’t understand why it isn’t a rule or regulation when people come to this country they have to speak English. There is nothing more frustrating than calling a customer service line, and dealing with someone who you can’t understand!! It doesn’t matter what customer service line I call, phone, internet, cable, bank, anything, it is someone that doesn’t speak English. Typically the conversation starts out “Excuse me” “Pardon me” and gradually makes its way to “Can you repeat that,” and eventually ends up “What the hell are you saying!” and hang up. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:58:25 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-13-immigration__trashed/#IDComment83556332 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83552332 June 30th- response I have to say I defiantly agree with you with the neighborhood situation! It seems people only want certain things in their neighborhood and discriminate against others. People don’t want, “those” people in their neighborhood, yet a white person could cause just as much trouble. No one wants those drug dealing’ thugs on their corner, yet it could be those white trash people causing a problem. It makes no sense. I can say from personal experience, my sister is a typical white girl in a nice neighborhood, and guess what; she is the worst neighbor ever!!! My sister will blast her entertainment center through the walls, turn the music up, anything you can think of. It doesn’t matter what color, what age, or who you are that’s the funny thing. When it comes to bad neighbors, they can be anyone!! That is a matter of a persons courteous attitude and own self decisions how they act, not because they are a certain color or race. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:43:04 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83552332 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83549882 The partying question made me laugh; I suppose the number is so high for that because people who are partying could care less who it is with, as long as they are having a good time!!! Either that or they are too drunk or high to realize the person they are with! I have noticed sometimes when I am at a party, people who are drinking may find it easier to talk about things they wouldn’t sober, so I am sure there have been many conversations about race while people are drinking!! Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:33:38 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83549882 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83549867 I have to say I wasn’t surprised by the amount of people who would eat food from another culture! If anything, I expected this number to be way higher. Now a days it seems the new trend is to eat sushi!! Everyone I turn everyone is eating sushi. No thanks! I wonder how common it is to come across someone who loves tacos but dislikes Mexicans or someone who loves Spaghetti but doesn’t like Italians. Interesting idea. I am up to try any type of food, regardless of what culture, however I wonder if there are those that won’t eat a certain food because they don’t like a certain culture. I guess racism and bias can come in many shapes, sized, and forms. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:33:31 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83549867 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83549831 I think it is wonderful the amount of people who were okay and agreed that a relationship/marriage with someone other than their “kind,” was acceptable. Love has no limits I suppose. Even still, relationships with “those people,” whom ever that is, are values instilled growing up in some families. I would be curious to see these people that were survey, what their parent’s results of the same survey would be. I would imagine that those who answered certain questions certain ways, their parents most likely would answer them the same way as well. I believe that shows how much values, ideas, and thoughts are passed on from one generation to the other. Of course, that is not always the case, but I bet it would be pretty close. Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:33:16 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83549831 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83549723 June 30th I think the statistics presented in this week’s lesson were not too shocking to me but still interesting. I think I was more surprised to see the amount of people that had never been involved or experienced something, regardless of what that something is, with someone of another race or ethnicity. It is pretty shocking and almost a, “how could you not?” situation. There are so many different races and ethnicities and various cultures in our country. On a daily basis I would be curious to see how many different people I interact with, something I would have never taken notice until taking this class. Just at my work alone I am around whites, blacks, Hispanics, Spanish, Chinese, etc., the list goes on and that’s just 9-5. I was surprising by the amount of people that said they had never even had a meal with someone other than there own race or ethnicity. Crazy! Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:33:01 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-7-lesson-12-multiculturalism-lgbt__trashed/#IDComment83549723 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81824487 part 2 Then, as we got older, it was like my friend was in a tug of war with her peers. Rather than people making fun of her for being dark, they were making fun of her for acting white. She couldn't win. She was constantly trying to prove to the "dark kids," that she was dark, yet act to the "white" kids she could fit in with them too. Sad to say, eventually this took its toll on our friendship. Because my friend was at a constant tear with which race to "relate" to, she chose the "dark" side. As time went on, my friend changed, her attitude changed, she was no longer the same person, instead she was acting and being like the "others," told her she had to be. I guess the point is, people shouldn't make fun or ridicule others for their appearance. There should be no need to chose to be white or chose to be black, you are who you are and you shouldn't have to explain that. Thu, 24 Jun 2010 02:00:19 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81824487 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81824446 response- wed june 23rd I have to say I agree with you, it is sad that people put these generalizations on each others skin color, let alone children! I remember being in school with an African American girl, she was my best friends for years. She wasn't very dark but she wasn't very light. In the middle I guess. It was amazing to me how when she was young she was so embarrassed to be her color. My friend tried so much to fit in with the white people and pretend she wasn't as dark as everyone made fun of her. The other classmates used to tease her about her color. It was so very sad. Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:59:57 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81824446 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81823722 part 4 It is a lot to take just from one simple picture, I am sure you are thinking, however, that picture really made me think and was very symbolic to me. Sometimes in real life if we are able to find a common interest with a person, whether that be football, hobbies, artists, books, etc., if that common ground can be found then it won't matter "what" someone is. I believe this is also taking a person beyond being judgmental and actually seeing people have more to them than their skin color for example. The book also points out those same ideas. I guess I was able to draw the conclusion from the picture and connect it to relate to the lessons in the book as well. Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:53:57 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81823722 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81823696 part 3 Really, that picture symbolized not only just a Penn State event, but the world as a whole that you can't really pick anyone person out. As a society as a whole, we are all a bunch of mixed races and ethnicities. What you may think a person is, they aren't and it is not uncommon that we can all be found together, in one place. Personally, I would image no one really cares who or what anyone is at a Penn State game. In my opinion, the fact that everyone at that game is a Penn State fan, should override who they are or what ethnicity they are. I believe sometimes people are able to find common ground and over come their "first judgment," when they have something in common. In this case, the Penn State football team. Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:53:43 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/06/week-6-lesson-9-stages-of-racial-identity-people-of-color-stages-1-4__trashed/#IDComment81823696