en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/759718 Comments by loveofmylife89 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment70041222 South Park is a satirical TV show. Everything brought up in the episodes are meant to joke about current issues that we are facing. They pretty much say what most people are thinking in a way that we can laugh about how stupid we are at times. People need to stop taking things so seriously. Everyone likes to laugh at a joke until the joke is on them. People need to loosen up and stop taking things so seriously. Like its on TV its meant to entertain people and if you don't find it entertaining change the channel and watch something that makes you feel better about yourself. There is no reason for anyone to be getting all upset over a TV show. I swear people take things so seriously nowadays. Lets all get over ourselves and live life to the fullest. So what if things on South Park upset you, get over it . Don't let it dictate how you go about your business. You can look at it as another hater that you have to prove wrong. At the end of the day as long as you can rest your head to know that you are living your life and not for anyone, than you have nothing to worry about or be upset about. Sat, 24 Apr 2010 01:02:57 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment70041222 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-health-care__trashed/#IDComment70038705 All people should be entitled to receive proper health care. A hospital has no right to deny anyone service because they are an immigrant. Just because an individual is an immigrant does not eliminated from the human race. Yes they are still homo sapiens just like the rest of the population and should be given equal opportunity to get medical assistance. Who are we to let another person of the human race to suffer from illness just because they they not begin their lives in this country? That is ridiculous. Who is it hurting for them to receive health care? Sure there are some tax dollars but for the amount of labor they do, at least they deserve it. Even if they were not hardworking, they still should get granted health care because it should be another humans decision on whether another human should live or die. That is basically the point. And its funny because if we go over to other countries and get sick we would expect to be treated immediately. Right? Do unto others as you want done to you! Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:53:40 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-health-care__trashed/#IDComment70038705 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-people-who-can-only-afford-hard-work__trashed/#IDComment70034605 America is a land of opportunities. Folks who are born here have more of a chance to actually attain and use these opportunities that this great country provides. I feel like if a immigrant comes to this country and achieves better and more distinguished lifestyles, why should people hate on them. They came in this country not knowing that much and rose to the top with the resources that anyone birthed here was given once they came out of their mother's womb. I think a reward should be given where it is due no matter where the person came from. As long as they didn't come to your house and stole your things than nobody has the right to accuse immigrants of stealing or taking any benefits from them. These people come willing to work to make their lives better than the ones that they had in their countries of origin. I don't see the problem. They are not working in these high fortune 500 companies but doing manual labor and dirty jobs that most classify themselves as being too good for. So why now that when they start making means for themselves and the pay that these jobs that most don't want to get involved are giving them the opportunity to succeed people have to hate and say they don't deserve it. Who are we to say that they don’t? In my eyes they worked and so they must be rewarded. Why hate let them be free. If they are content with living life with an under the table job than let them be. I swear people always have something to complain about. Stop worrying about these immigrants and what they are doing. Worry about yourselves and how you can better your life. The time spent complaining could be used for something else. These immigrants are not worry about us; they are just trying to get an opportunity to live since they were not allowed to in their country. Give them a break. Let’s say they decide to leave, who will be able to do the small jobs that they do. Will this country be able to function? They work harder than most of us for a simple life yet we still find something to complain or be unhappy about. Let them live and be free. If you want a job and feel that they stole it from you then that means you need to step your credentials and game up. You was not qualified, the employer thought they could do a better job than you. It’s a race and you lost. Take the failure and try to make yourself better than to sit there and try to have them deported because they are interfering with your life. As a matter of a fact, we are all immigrants if you think about it. Legal or illegal, if they work hard for what they got, stay out their business and worry about your own. Also if you know yo will not be able to put in the amount of hours and labor these people put in for the small amounts of pay they receive, shut up and get over yourself. Work is Work. Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:38:28 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-people-who-can-only-afford-hard-work__trashed/#IDComment70034605 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/the-tyranny-of-radical-muslims__trashed/#IDComment68454557 Its a shame what has happened to the Muslim society as a whole at cause to radical Muslims. Nowadays, when the word Muslim is mentioned people automatically or sometimes thinks of terrorism and bombs. Its crazy walking through an airport and when people see Muslims, dudes especially, they do the sign of the cross of say some prayer. I think it is uncalled for. Sure most bombings were done by people of Muslim background but that doesn't mean everyone is a bomber or terrorist. Its just stereotypes that we collect and movies don't make things any better. No all Muslims are bad and not all at good. There will always be a sour apple in any group. We just need to take that and stop treating the good ones with disrespect. The only problem in that we don't know how to sort the good one from the bad. Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:15:59 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/the-tyranny-of-radical-muslims__trashed/#IDComment68454557 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/creating-terrorists__trashed/#IDComment68454026 I always thought of "suicide bombers" as people who did not value the beauty of life but after watching the video I have no reason to judge. I am not on that side of the world and do not no the hardships that they face that they might want to relieve the pain that they are going through by partaking in such activity. I mean the women felt like her husband did not deserve to die and he was probably a huge part of her life. That was her future. They were going to have kids and such and now that opportunity was denied because he died. I'm not saying that her decision is correct but the her it is the most logical thing she could have done. She can kill 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, people for the sake of one at her own expense and she is fine with that. That's like the ultimate revenge, we all find some vengeance towards others, why now are we picking how act it out. I wouldn't do it personally because but that's life. Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:10:35 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/creating-terrorists__trashed/#IDComment68454026 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68453329 This class has become a complete waste and this whole "Christian Invasion" confirmed my thoughts. Of course what Sam presented sounded appealing to folks it just like any normal argument? You always research to find things that support your argument. This could be done about anything. So the fact that he showed all those things meant absolutely nothing to me. I find it hard to believe that Christians gathered to form this war against Iraq just to spread the religion. First off missionaries are everywhere in the world so how does he know that those missionaries were strictly there because of the war and to convert people to Christianity. Maybe if he looks he'll see that these are the only source of aid Iraqis have since everyone is worried about themselves. These missionaries build camps to help people. President Bush announced the war on Iraq not Christians. Of course that's his religion but we do not know his daily walk with God or his strength of faith so he might just be a hear say Christian either way it does not constitute to the fact that Christians should be put to blame for the chaos that is occurring over there. It really doesn't I don't think Sam knows everything so he needs to stop trying to persuade people to start blaming Christians of the war. The people of America voted George Bush as president not just Christians and he was the one who made the decision for the country to go to war. No Christian groups had any rally or walk to persuade him to declare war. He did it based on his presidential power which was given to him by the people of America, Christians and Non-Christians. Sam always says, "I know this cause I'm a Sociologist" well anyone can obtain a degree and proclaim they know that Muslims started the war in Iraq and paint great facts and figures to support their ideas but that doesn't mean it is true. I don't think Christians should be at fault for what is going on over there. They had nothing to do with it. So what soldiers carried Bibles? That was that soldier's personal belief. If he/she wanted to practice it while over there than let him/her be. The government does not force the Bible in their hands so I don't know what Sam was talking about. Sam had a problem with the Vacation Bible School theme of making their children warriors of Jesus. I feel like they were not telling the kids to go kill people. They were simply instructing them to be ready to stand for what they believe if anyone should try to shut them down. I also found the pictures of Jesus holding the guns very disturbing. They were uncalled for and although Sam wants to paint this big picture of how he does not hate Christians I feel like he does because the notion he got to blame Christians for the war is simply ridiculous. Just as others are opposed to the war so are Christians. Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:03:11 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68453329 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/the-white-minorities__trashed/#IDComment65696443 Who cares if whites become a minority group. There are people dying all over the world yet we spent countless amount of hours discussing and arguing who runs the world. Whites, blacks, Asians, Mixed people or the rainbow? Why? Why is it such a big deal. It really does not make a difference who is a minority and who is not. A minority is defined as, a group of people who differ racially or politically from a larger group of people. Everyone has been a minority at some point in their life. Sometimes you might be the only one who believes a certain away about a topic and a lot of people are disagreeing with you, there you are a minority. Doesn't mean you are any less of a person or human. This is basically trying to make the argument that it is okay for others to be considered the minority in societies but is unethical for whites to reach that point. Like I said before, I have other things to worry about than the whites fearing that they will loose their "superiority". Sat, 3 Apr 2010 03:48:00 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/the-white-minorities__trashed/#IDComment65696443 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/nothing-about-the-census-is-easy__trashed/#IDComment65694029 The idea that people are confused and stressing about what race to identify with on this census is completely pointless. That is not what the census was mad for. It was made as a way fr the government to se which communities are in need of resources to better their life that they don't have at the moment. A person's racial affliation should not have any influence in determing this. I think the question should be removed from he census in the fisrt place because it takes focus off the main goal, how communities can be improved, how some feels underrepresented since their race is not an option. Last time I checked the choice of "other" is always there and if you feel that strong about who you are, feel free to fill in what you want to be considered or called. Other than that just leave it alone, the government is not going to change how you look they could careless, they just want to enhance communities. Get over yourselves people. Sat, 3 Apr 2010 03:38:06 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/nothing-about-the-census-is-easy__trashed/#IDComment65694029 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/how-can-we-ever-win__trashed/#IDComment65691355 As far as the LL Bean catalog I'm used to seeing black models having more and more characteristics or looks that compare to those of white people. This way the quota is met for including black people in the industry while staying close to the ideals and looks of white folks. Most black models today driven from keeping their voluptuous body frames because the "fashion industry" is not fully welcoming to that type of look. Instead they have to walk around skinny or figureless just so they can pose for a ad that is meant to mostly catch the eyes of whites anyways. Looking at the catalog in class confirms my opinion about the marketing of the fashion industry. Those people where characterized to be black on a regular basis, no black family interacts in such manner or even own a pair of dockers. They people in the ad looked mixed not fully black. I also was confused about the whole Jesse Jackson piece. Sam commends him for being the only politician white or black to hold a gathering at the Appalachian but then criticizes him for returning back to his "roots". Well Same where do you want him to go? Just because he befriends people of a different race does not mean he has to become them. No matter who he associates himself with, he will always be more connected and comfortable with black people. Thats whats in his blood he cant change that. If a time of segregation was to come , he would be placed with the black people. The won't make him an exception and the blacks sure would not want him for selling out on them. I don't see what is wrong with him going back. Thats like saying I cant keep my friends from back home now that I've branched out to my new friends here at school. Its like out of sight out of mind and that is ridiculous. I find myself questioning some Sam's views each day I attend class. It seems like some of his theories contradict or his examples are just confusing. Either way its like all the materials do not come to together to make any sense but I guess that how this whole race situation is seen. I mean who's to say that this what all these things mean. I think people should just live their lives and mind their business. We keep poking ourselves into situations that are not necessary and find more and more confusion. Most people "ooo and ahh" during class but once 5"30 arrives, the go right back to daily way of living life forgetting all that they just heard. The class only opens mind fro that short period of time and once the semester is over, only few will retain and actually apply the mechanisms taught. Sat, 3 Apr 2010 03:27:22 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/how-can-we-ever-win__trashed/#IDComment65691355 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment64255411 When I hear men speak of women's menstrual cycle or say its disgusting because it is none of their business. Back in the day, men were men knew that women have that period and respected it today, most people are just plain out rude about it. If a woman says she is on her menstrual cycle, "period", they automatically assume that she is going to be moody and if they do something that would normally agitate her, they fault her period for her showing emotion. That also proves why when Sam asked who was on there cycle at first, very few raised their hand but when the men were told to close their eyes more hands went on. Women do not want the negative baggage that most associate with this "beautiful" phenomenon so they keep it to themselves. I think thats the best way to do it. Its no ones perogative if and when you bleed. If that was the case of tampons, pads and whatever else is used to prevent from others from knowing that a woman is on her cycle would be pointless. Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:52:46 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment64255411 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-happens-to-multiracial-people__trashed/#IDComment63109088 Although this is a race relations class, because of American history and what the tension between white and black people think everything just focuses on that or pertains to it. Its nothing personal or intentional its just the way it is. Because multiracial individuals were not here when the whole idea of racial inequality evolved in this place so many do not take their injustices that they face seriously or to heart. The underlying question will always be; were you held in bondage of hundreds of years by whites? And I can't see a multiracial answering to that because this ongoing battle has been and will always be between blacks and whites. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:48:22 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-happens-to-multiracial-people__trashed/#IDComment63109088 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment63106857 Yes rudeness goes both ways. What difference does it make if you are white black, brown, or whatever you want to identify yourself as. Its not only whites who can be rude to others we are all rude to each other and thats that. Its sad because society promotes it and thats how we are used to learning about other races through jokes so we our selves feel thats the best way to do so. We think we are being funny when we are actually showcasing stupidity and utter ignorance. When people write offensive things on the screen I don't take offense to it because I think they are punks. Like Same said if you cant say iit to whatever race face then don't put it up there for a laugh because its pointless. The only person that going to pat you on the back is your self and your stupid friend who encouraged you to write what you wrote. I thought we were in a place where people had some form of education to know when to utilize common sense and not act like simple-minded animals. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:41:15 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment63106857 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-to-do-about-white-guilt__trashed/#IDComment63104251 You guys did not find anything! In fact you STOLE this place from people, you know?, the Indians? Or did you think they crawled from underground to find a better life too? Thats what wrong with some of you whites these days, you feel like everything belong to you when it doesn't. The only reason that this country is sought to e a better place to live is because it always pokes its nose in others business and after it destroys that particular country it comes back to where it belong. If white people didn't go into others land to take over this country and YOU will be nothing but trash so you need to get your facts straight about your history. The people who help make the country what and who it is are nonwhite people. So as much as your little brain might think whites are superior and deserve all this glory for creating such a unique country that is better than others, you need to get over yourself, your skin, and whosoever that put that thought in your mind. Its a shame that you are in college and have these views this is something I would expect from a little child who has only been taught about Columbus finding this place. Even my sister who is 10 knows that this place was not a place to be found. Whites Stripped it off the Native Americans and try to sugar coat it as they do with all their crimes. I hope whoever you are get a clue about life and not pass this belief down to any body other than yourself. Its people like you who make progression a struggle for all. History books do need to be altered so that kids could be aware of things rather than having to find it out later in life. Acknowledgment need to be given to those who truly made this country the way it was. And then you have the audacity to mention slavery as if it was a light situation. Are you serious right now? Please tell me that you was drunk when you responded to this quote because you sound so ridiculous. If slaves were in existence, how do you think your so called people would have made it. You "white" history would have been COMPLETELY different. Trust me. You need to take time a recollect about the events that occurred and see how your "world" would have been if only whites Really found this place and they were the only inhabitants here. I hope you remember how they ran away from Europe, where there were other whites, to be here. Ignorance is not an excuse for unjustly acts so please dont fall for that. Thanks! Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:33:47 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-to-do-about-white-guilt__trashed/#IDComment63104251 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58920348 It was nice that people stood up for the Muslim lady but I can't say that I would have if I was put in that position. Growing up i was always told to mind my business. Yes I would have felt some type of way of how she was being treated but I would have said anything but just hold my anger or thoughts because I don't want to be involved in another person's battle. She didn't ask for my help so I should not tale on that liability. as dumb as it may sound that is the way most people think. If you are not my family or friends than I mind my business and look from a distance. Of course I will bad about not helping but its not my place. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:53:46 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58920348 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/question-on-discrimination__trashed/#IDComment58919732 I don't see no shock to this but obviously a person is more likely going to feel more comfortable choosing someone that looks more like them than another. Of course a colored person will rather be with another colored person because they assume that they share similar beliefs and ideals of the world. I see this all the time especially here at Penn State. As freshmen, most people typically hang with people who look like them and are from the same background. I rarely see a mix of groups walking to events because different groups have different interest. and if I do its always one odd person. Like it'll be a bunch of whites and one black or vice versa. We all came from different walks of life and would rather remain in that comfort zone than try to establish another lifestyle. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:47:49 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/question-on-discrimination__trashed/#IDComment58919732 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-five__trashed/#IDComment58918883 I don't see the use of feeling bad or guilty for something that was done generations ago. Of course it was wrong and very inhumane but the fact that many people know about America's injustice to Native Americans and are not doing anything about it is what gets me. When I first came to this country I did not know that I stood on stole grounds and the people who first owned it were the ones least thought of. I remember being told that Columbus "found" this country by my 3rd grade teacher. As an immigrant and a young person, I believed her and since it was written in the textbooks, I thought it was the truth. I am sure my teacher knew that a small detail was missing; that Columbus and his crew stripped this land from Native Americans and deemed it as theirs when in all actuality, it isn’t. But we were not told that. We were being taught to live this lie that America has been trying to live for so long. This lie that is has been trying to hide from society but it still lingers. These lies that make everyone question the legitimacy of America's foundation. Even to this day, children are being taught that Columbus found this land and spend a whole week to prepare this great holiday, "Columbus Day" by writing book reports, coloring cut-outs of Columbus and giving praise to the man like he did something great! Schools neglect to teach about Native Americans, period. I never knew that there were over a 100 plus tribes living in restricted areas until this year. And that to me is a shame. Before this I only knew about 3, Cherokee, Sequoia, and Apache. Why isn't there material about Native American in our history books? And why are these people being confined to live in reservations. Are they not humans to live with the rest of civilization for them to be hidden as if they were people who carried diseases? I think the shame America has and not wanting to admit its wrong doing is what the problem is. Because we all know what happen back than but yet nothing is being done to change this factor. Sure missionaries, and some organizations go to reservations to provide some type of aid for these people but that shouldn't be the case. They deserve as much freedom to live anywhere they want rather than in reservation camps. My family migrated here from another country and has chances of bettering our lives than the ORIGINAL people of this land. That is unjust! Utterly evilness but as much as we talk about it and debate about the unfairness, Nothing gets done to take these people out of bondage. They are still trapped in their camps as if they are being alienated. So much for equality! As far as African Americans feelings towards their mistreatment; If Native Americans, the ones who actually belong here, are not being treated equally, what makes You think you deserve it or will get it? This world will never accomplish equality. There will always be discrimination. If it is not racial, it turn to economical, it not that weight, than gender, that height and so on. I believe the pursuit of happiness thought of in the constitution was gibberish. Another way to make people think their hard work and struggle is getting them somewhere until they realize they accumulate more problems. That’s life and we all got to live it one way or the other. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:38:36 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-five__trashed/#IDComment58918883 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/another-reason-why-gay-marriage-matters__trashed/#IDComment57722647 This is outrageous! Why would you want to separate a child from people that care about them and treat them well to put them in foster care. We all know that the foster care system is a complete and utter mess. Children that go through the system enter a lottery . Either they get into a good family that will love and cherish their lives while some enter homes where the parents are only focused on getting paid. This makes no sense! It seems like America is being corrupted of the idea of same-sex union that they are willing to do anything, even at the expense of children, to get this message to same-sex unions. Those boys clearly were enjoying their life and accepted the fact that they were being raised by two women. they did not look feminine or gay to me. They look as normal as any other child that live in a home with straight parents. I didnt see any thing wrong with them but for some reason the government felt the need to intervene and be the hero and "save" these boys that did not ask for any support. I dont believe they went crying for the government to come take them out of that house because they were being treated wrong due to the fact the they were being raised in a same-sex household. I don't believe that those boys had a problem with their lifestyle. To them their life was great but someone else not in the home feels the need that they are not in the right or "correct" living environment so they stripped them of what they had. I wonder if they realize and when will they notice that removing a child out of a situation that is not harmful and that they are accustomed to, can cause much more detrimental consequences than what they originally thought was a problem. This could lead to some psychological problems in a child's life.We were all put on this earth to fulfill a certain goal. People need to mind their own business and live their lives and not the lies of others. We need to stop trying to control the life certain groups and discriminating against them. We all have the same right complete this distinct "pursuit of happiness that was so call promised to us so people need to back down and let others do what they have to do to be HAPPY! Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:59:53 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/another-reason-why-gay-marriage-matters__trashed/#IDComment57722647 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/lgbt-class-question-four__trashed/#IDComment57720898 If America is so called the land of the free, why is it that people are not allowed to exercise their right to any union that the want. Its funny how America try to separate the "state from the Church" but they pull that crap about marriage is based on what is said in the Bible. How are they going to pick and choose which rule in the Bible to and to not consider. That is completely hypocritical and unfair to people. If a person wants to be married to someone of the same sex, who's to say it is illegal? Who give others that right to decide what a union is. A union, as far as I'm concerned is a bond between anything. So people need to get over their egos and give others a chance to live their lives. america also need to decide which side of the Bible they are on. They can't be selective. They either follow the rules of the Bible or dont. Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:37:59 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/lgbt-class-question-four__trashed/#IDComment57720898 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/the-xxx-bible-who-wouldve-thought__trashed/#IDComment57719924 The Bible is such a sensitive topic to talk about period. No matter what side you stand on, you always walk out from a conversation about religion, especially Christianity heated and read to even give up living in this world and believing in anything supernatural power. What many people don't understand about the Bible is its validity. It is said that God appointed these men/women to write these verses and chapters that make up the Bible but with all these different versions, the King James, NIV, New American, Contemporary, etc. How are we suppose to know that those who translated it did not have any biased as to how they read the message or what they thought was the main point of the original version. Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:25:20 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/the-xxx-bible-who-wouldve-thought__trashed/#IDComment57719924 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/animals-vs-humans-vs-welfare-cheats__trashed/#IDComment56597759 This all goes back to how ignorant politicians are. I don't care how authoritative, wealthy or educated you might think you are, no body has the right to call another person an animal. That is completely out of line and disrespectful. You may have had the golden ticket to your success while they have been struggling and cannot find other means but to ask for government help. So I don't see how that is a reason for someone to be called an animal. Sure there are some who take advantage of this great program but that still does not justify them as animals. I think welfare should have better ways of giving out money. They should give these people jobs to do and then pay them rather than just issuing checks because they applied. If that can be done and is stabilized, it will eliminate those who are just being lazy and selfish. Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:55:24 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/animals-vs-humans-vs-welfare-cheats__trashed/#IDComment56597759