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Alisina.org : Ask Not what Others Can Do for You

Mon, 7 Jul 2014 06:14:09 +0000

Ali Sina is showing pic of MT as an example of someone who spent her life helping the poor and downtrodden. Do you have a better example? Whose picture will satisfy you? ["... but for the poor she gave only the advice to pray."] Well we don't know if that is true or not, but are YOU a better example than MT? Is there anyone in your group who has dedicated his/her life to making other people's lives better?? Can you name them, and tell us what s/he is doing?

Alisina.org : Karma and the Afterlife

Mon, 7 Jul 2014 05:57:58 +0000

["I and all the lucky ones have surrendered to Allah, We are free and happy ! we are busy accomplishing our mission; that is IBADAT (Worshiping)."] Now wait.... How are you "free" when you have clearly *surrendered* to someone? You have surrendered to someone who has all kinds of laws regarding what you can do and what you cannot! So how are you free? You are required to follow his commands, failing which you will be punished! So how are you free? ["we are busy accomplishing our mission; that is IBADAT (Worshiping)."] Do you even have the option of having a mission other than IBADAT and/or Jihad? No you don't! You must only do what you are commanded to do! So how are you free? It is crystal clear that you are NOT free, and yet someone has made you believe that you ARE! That is called brainwashing. You have clearly been deceived and brainwashed! [".... Do Not Buy His Words! Even a Satan had sweet words to attract Eve (Hawa), to commit sin !! She was brainwashed with nice words from this Evil spirit !!!! BEWARE !!!"] Quran has lots of sweet words in it too..... to attract simple and innocent people (like you). And it quite obviously has brainwashed you into believing that you are 'free' when you clearly are not! So tell me, does it take a master psychologist to figure out that it is Quran that one needs to beware of??

Alisina.org : Is Allah a Terrorist Too?

Sat, 5 Jul 2014 18:06:50 +0000

[" In fact how do you know that it was common for Arabian girls to attain puberty so early? "] TnKuK's learnt savant told her this. The same as Benazir Bhutto's savant told her that no true Muslim will make an attack on her because if they do, they will burn in hell.

Alisina.org : Proof of Soul: Why Science is Not the Ultimate Authority

Sat, 5 Jul 2014 06:22:31 +0000

["....That is why you are looking for somewhere to hide."] Can you elaborate? Where is Anand (and other Hindus) hiding?

Alisina.org : Proof of Soul: Why Science is Not the Ultimate Authority

Thu, 3 Jul 2014 06:12:56 +0000

Jesus, read your previous comment. There you said, "Also KTE, there is no need to be worried about insulting me. I Take no offense to anything someone says. Even if they are being offensive! Our words reveal our Hearts. It only helps me in our concourse. So please, in the ebb and flow of these conversations, feel free to say what is Honestly on your Mind. I promise I will not waste my time or yours with any negative emotions." So if I freely said what I observed, you get offended and call me a 'devious', 'liar', and an 'elitist'. Look, if you can't take positive criticism, do not make statements like the above one!

Alisina.org : Proof of Soul: Why Science is Not the Ultimate Authority

Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:18:45 +0000

["A person CANNOT be content UNTIL he Gives....."] I doubt that but I am also aware that the human mind is very complex, hence I am not going to challenge your claim. The readers are welcome to practice Giving and see if contentment begins to take root in them. Now even if your claim turns out to be 100 percent true, it would still not change the fact that Nishkam Seva (Selfless service) is already a part of Hinduism. The Hindu books do not mention contentment in the context of selfless service. 'Contentment' is something that I personally deduced from my own experiences, observations, and readings. It is quite possible that the pundits who introduced this concept believed the same as what you wrote regarding contentment. Having said that, IMO it does not really matter how the person achieves contentment. What matters is that s/he does achieve it because unless s/he does, there can be no moving into the next stage of spirituality! ---------------- ["These other Myths explained FULLY the Truths, yet they are dead. Why? Because their time had passed and they were no longer sufficient to progress mankind's Mind. Hinduism is of this retort."] First of all, to say that "the myth is dead" is incorrect understanding. Anything that explains the truth, and is still available to anyone who is curious, is NOT dead. The correct understanding is that "the knowledge of that myth /story is lost." People may end up losing knowledge available in Hinduism too, but the reason for this loss would not be that "their time has passed". The reason would be apathy. --------------- ["How do you Know that I am not in complete favor with God Now by Giving these messages? Perhaps that IS my reason for Now!?"] Yes, THAT is the reason! I do not know much about Christianity, but I have read enough comments posted by Christians that I can now tell what they are really up to! Content people do a variety of things, but Christians would only be seen zealously indulging in these activities - 1) To bring people to Jesus (that is, to convert them), 2) To make sure they remain Christians no matter what they go through in life, even if they die, and 3) Oppose abortion! What motivates them to indulge in these activities? Because they are required to do all this in Christianity, and by doing this they hope to get God's favor! Christianity doesn't say much about protecting the converted from sufferings, so all that the victims get is lip-service. It is too bad that you Christians of Nigeria are suffering and getting mass-murdered every other day, but don't you do anything that will shake the favor that I have built with God. I am sorry Jesus, but you are NOT content! Maybe it is because you have never 'Given'! All your giving was nothing but a hollow ritual! You were doing business. You were 'giving' the message of Jesus, and in return you were TAKING Attaboy's from God. You didn't give anything that the Bible doesn't say will get you God's favor. You were hungry for Attaboy's. That is NOT called being content. ["You see KTE, we are to Give where we are Led to Give."] This is just a convenient excuse. If the Bible said "You will be in God's complete favor if you fight those who cause suffering to Christians in poor countries", you would be fighting for the Nigerian Christians with the same zeal as when you oppose abortion and/or spread the message of Jesus! But since the Bible doesn't say such a thing, it is NOT on the top of your list. You MAY get to it if chance leads you to it!

Alisina.org : Proof of Soul: Why Science is Not the Ultimate Authority

Mon, 30 Jun 2014 06:57:52 +0000

I only had two questions and they were sincere. Thank you for answering them. The message of Jesus, as you explained, is very good and everyone should ponder upon it seriously. This message already exists in Hindu thought (selfless service), or it can be easily deduced from available knowledge. However, if someone fails to come across Nishkam Seva in Hinduism, or has difficult time understanding what it is all about, s/he should accept your explanation as something valuable available from Christianity. Now do not take this as offense but your comment shows that there are some things about human psychology that you do not understand. (It does not matter if that human is a 'modern' human or medieval or even a future human). How can you combine science and spirit when you do not fully understand the human mind? You have posted this comment before and I replied to it. I said that only content people can *truly* give. For all others, this 'giving' is nothing but a hollow ritual. There are lots of Christians who convert people to Christianity and think that they are "giving" the message of Jesus to others, when what they have really done is satisfied themselves! What they do is TAKE (the satisfaction of having converted someone), yet they live in the delusion that they have "given". They do this because they are not content, and without contentment there can be no giving! ----------------- ["........... and even then I will Give."] Well, thank you for giving me the message of Jesus and it is indeed a great message for humans! Now I do have a question for you- Every other day Jihadwatch reports that a bomb exploded in a church in Nigeria, or that a village of Christians was attacked and dozens killed. I have never counted but I bet that some 100 such attacks happened in that country in the last two years! My question is- What have you or the Church that you belong to, *given* to those Christians so that they no longer have to suffer?

Alisina.org : Love Yourself

Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:59:32 +0000

The upanishadic word for "dream of life" is not Leela, but Samsar (Sansar, संसार). Leela is something completely different and I shall explain it here- Buddha said that this life is all pain (Dukkh) but that when one realizes that this life is nothing but a dream / illusion, all the pains vanish because the person then realizes that the pains too are illusions. In my version of Hinduism, I have modified this Buddhist thinking. Upanishads say Brahman alone exists and is the source of all. This life is Brahman's 'dream'. However, Brahman is also IN the dream; That is, Brahman is the fabric of this dream. The dream is none other than Brahman! For the context that we are discussing here, let's call Brahman 'God'. The 'dream' that we are in, is none other than God. God is 'dreaming' and we are participating in this dream. We are present IN God; This is God all around us- Is this realization Dukkh (pain) or Sukkh (joy)?? If you ask me I say it is Sukkh. In fact when we deeply contemplate on this, this realization becomes even sweeter than joy; it becomes bliss! Now our life changes completely. We have good times in our life (that make us happy) and bad times (that make us sad and give us pain), but we NO LONGER fall into depression, because we realize that no matter what happens to us, we remain participants in God's dream. We are always in God. It is this *participation* in God's dream of life, that is called Leela. Hindus say everything that happens is God's leela. When we deeply think about this, we realize that they are not talking about individuals, but rather refer to the collective participation of everyone (including other living creatures and even non-living things), as God's leela. So we look around and see that everyone is already participating in this Leela (that is, everyone is playing their respective roles); God's leela is going on non-stop. But where does that leave us? How do we participate in this Leela? What role do we play? And since we now know that this is God's work going on, no less, we don't want to play some cheapy role; we want to play some high quality role, something that would compare with the best of Hollywood. How do we do that? Hinduism has provided the answer to that question too: By living our life by Dharma- that is the best way to play our part in the leela of God! Once again, since we know that this is God's work going on, we now want to play our role to the best of our potential, with not an iota of apathy or laziness! When we do that, that would be our leela.

Alisina.org : Proof of Soul: Why Science is Not the Ultimate Authority

Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:14:47 +0000

["I have not been clear to your Mind. I need you to put down your bias for awhile. I will attempt humbly to explain to you Truth."] I am sorry but in the guise of explaining the "Truth", all you have done is repeated the same old tirade against Hinduism. You haven't told us what exactly the message of Jesus is, and exactly how it satisfies the 'modern man' in a way that Hinduism does not. Please also tell us how is the 'modern man' different from earlier people besides the fact that s/he now possesses more and powerful tools to satisfy his/her hedonistic and animistic desires faster! ------------------- ["The Hindu mythology (just like Greek or Egyptian Mythology) with all its God's are nothing more than masks covering or trying to explain Natural Phenomenon to the uninitiated Mind."] You are basically right except that "mask" is an incorrect word to use. The correct word would be 'allegory'! What is wrong with using allegories? ------------------ ["All your demons and God's are nothing more than fear mongering by the ruling class."] It is not 'fear mongering'. The fears and insecurities are already there in the people! Sakat has already explained the importance of mythologies in his post. The pandits, if they are learnt, use the tales of demons and gods to get people rid themselves of their fears. What is wrong with that? ------------------- ["Hindu's are leaving the Myths behind in droves."] Many indeed are! They go to college, find out that all the gods and demons are nothing but 'mythology', and ditch their beliefs. Then they start seeing themselves as superior to the 'superstitious' Hindus. The end result: we have ended up with another class of elites who live in the delusion that they are superior. It would be willful blindness on the part of any Hindu to say that his religion is free of faults. However, the wise thing to do is to identify those faults and get rid of them. To ditch the belief system altogether because of its faults, is like throwing the baby away with the dirty water. ------------------- ["Not that Hinduism is bad or evil, only that its time is up."] Its time is up, why? Because people have become too lazy to decipher and interpret the stories? The scientists have discovered that our brain uses a lot more energy when we put it to use. So the educated people have decided that it is better to conserve energy and simply watch TV. When we read stories we have to imagine images in our head, which uses up energy. To decipher and interpret the allegories cost even higher amounts of energy. OTOH when we watch TV we do not have to imagine anything at all; everything is presented to us already prepared! What can be better than that!! See how the scientific discoveries are helping the 'modern man' conserve energy? ------------------- ["Your air of elitism is actually quite sickening as all the Hindu supremacy spewed on this site."] Some Hindus are indeed being supremacists but not all are! There are many like me who are open to learning new/alternative viewpoints. That is why I again ask- What is the simple direct truth/message of Jesus, and how does it help/satisfy the modern man? If this message and your explanation of it seem vastly more beneficial than what I have learnt from science and the Indian texts, I will either convert or will incorporate your message into my current belief system (after giving due credit to Jesus and Christianity of course)!

Alisina.org : Proof of Soul: Why Science is Not the Ultimate Authority

Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:35:23 +0000

["Honestly it seems to me that this site is taken over by hindus..."] And Jihadwatch is taken over by fanatic Christians. Just read the comments there! ...But seriously, the fault lies with non-Hindus and non-Christians for not being more active here (and at JW). Neither Ali Sina nor Robert Spencer stops them from posting their comments. So why are they so reluctant? ----------- ["American have been for front in defaming Islam, ...."] Which American of influence (political, media, Hollywood, universities etc) has defamed Islam? Can you give some names and provide some evidence as to how they have defamed Islam? ------------------- ["but yes I belive so as per my current knowledge base.Every relgion is equally messed up, its islaam which gets the most critics is , becuase Islam is on the lands where their is Oil."] You need to read a couple of articles here and update your knowledge base! Islam gets criticism because unlike the followers of other religions, Islam followers have been killing and murdering ever since Muhammad was alive! Only the politicians and big companies have had their eyes on oil and you will never hear them criticise Islam. ----------------- [" Hidnus here should know that your religion is no different from Islam either...."] In other words, you were never a Hindu. Let me write down a couple of easy to identify differences between to two- 1) Muslims believe in one invisible tyrant, whereas Hindus believe in dozens of gods and goddesses, both with form and without. Many Hindus believe in philosophical stuff that doesn't involve 'God'! 2) Muslims believe in a 'final' prophet, Hindus believe that Gurus and avatars can show up anywhere and in anyone! 3) Hindus actively use pictures and idols of their gods, Muslims consider it shirk. 4) In Islam singing and dancing is haram, whereas for Hindus nothing is complete unless there is some performance arts involved! 5) In Islam bells are haram, whereas every Hindu temple has got a bell in it for people to ring. 6) Muslims slaughter cows, whereas [most] Hindus worship them! 7) Mosques are designed for mass-worship, whereas Hindu temples are designed for individual worship. [Of course with the increase in population, many large temples have adapted to accomodate large number of devotees, but the underlying design remains one of individual worship.] 8) Islam teaches that only its own Allah and its religion is true and that all others are false, whereas the Hindu belief is that different religions are simply different paths to reach the same goal. These are simply a few of the differences between Islam and Hinduism that I had the time to write, but there are many more. The differences are enough that someone claiming "Hinduism is no different from Islam" only shows his utter ignorance! --------------- ["I am a former hindu...."] No you were not! You are a Islam-follower and always have been! ------------------- ["Do k now ur hatred against muslims (most of you want muslim to die of ) is of same nature as what you blame Muslims do posses."] Most people only want Muslims to ditch Islam! May be there are some Hindus here who want all Muslims to die but the important thing to keep in mind is that their hatred of such nature is NOT backed by fundamental Hindu principles. This is unlike Islam, where the hatred of non-Muslims is prescribed in the religion itself.

Alisina.org : Proof of Soul: Why Science is Not the Ultimate Authority

Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:09:44 +0000

Kabuki dance has nothing to do with Tandav. Check out this link to know what it is and why people use this term - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuki_dance

Alisina.org : Proof of Soul: Why Science is Not the Ultimate Authority

Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:01:05 +0000

["The same is with Hinduism, it does not help people any longer to become higher beings. You see the Truths behind the curtain of Hinduism is inherent in Nature for all to see. Yet the Kabuki dance of Hinduism no longer reveals those Truths."] First of all, I apologize for butting in! My understanding of Hinduism is quite different from Supriya's, but I am not sure I agree with your statement above. The Truths behind the curtain of Hinduism are certainly inherent in nature, but not everyone sees them. The Purans do indeed reveal those Truths but it is the people who have changed; they no longer make effort to decipher the stories and find the truths! Humans have only become dumber ever since movies and TV were invented. Now they only live on what is *fed* to them. They have lost the mental capability to see what it is that is being revealed through Puranic stories. Of course, anyone who makes the effort does get to see those truths. ["Only the simple logic from the most consummate Scientist the world has ever had can lead you to a higher existence and that is the simple direct Truth of Jesus. Nature revealed by Jesus is what Modern Man will adhere to for growth."] What is the "simple direct Truth of Jesus"? What is this nature 'revealed' by Jesus that the Modern man can not only *see* but also adhere to for growth?

Alisina.org : Love Yourself

Thu, 19 Jun 2014 18:55:49 +0000

Supriya, I have a question (for academic purposes)- Let's say that some scientist convinces you, with evidence, that there is no such thing as 'liberation' or 'salvation'. Would you still do Nishkam Karma? Note: I am not saying whether there is 'Liberation' or not. My question is simply hypothetical. So for example, if someone convinces me that there is no such thing as 'Liberation', then I will stop doing whatever little of Nishkam Karma I do. Why bother when there is nothing to acquire?

Alisina.org : Love Yourself

Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:02:07 +0000

I re-read your letter to Ali Sina and I say your English is just fine! Insecure Muhammadans point out "flaws" in your writing simply to make themselves feel better, and not because there is anything wrong with your English. But they fool only themselves! Congratulations for coming to a life of freedom.

Alisina.org : The Trinity for Dummies

Sat, 7 Jun 2014 09:42:55 +0000

[" The fallacy is if we replace Raam by, say Krishna, the question will still remain, why Krishna why not some other character etc etc."] I think you misunderstood what I am asking. I do have a decent enough idea about why Krishna is seen as Supreme Lord by many. It is Raam that I do not fully understand as to why he is seen as 'Supreme Lord'..... And I am hoping for some easy to understand explanation. I did some research and came across this website that explains how Raam can be 'Supreme-Lord'. Quote from site:

Madhvacharya says - "Ram literally means the supreme bliss, Ram means the Brahman (the absolute, the supreme element) as well as Ishwara (the god with form). Both"

Even though Madhvacharya said "Both", I realized from reading the whole article that they see Raam as a 3-in-1 personality - Brahman (God without form), Ishwar (God with form), and Avatar (human incarnation of God, just like Jesus)! Now that I have contemplated on this after reading this article, I feel that in Bhakti one has to feel some sort of connection with the Avatar.... which brings me to another part of your comment- ["Just ask yourself do you see something special in Raam."]? In Raam I see a person who despite being imperfect, strove to live by Dharma, and that IMO makes him [one of the various] role-model for everyone. We are all imperfect, and have committed one or more wrongs in our lives, but despite all this we should strive to live by Dharma. (Maybe this is what the authors of Ramayan wanted to teach when they introduced faults in Raam!) Bhakti however, isn't all about *seeing* something in our Ishwar (or the Avatar). It is also about feeling something emotional for the deity.... and all I feel regarding Raam is what people feel about their role-models who are not God! This feeling (of connection) strongly contrasts with what I feel regarding Mother Goddess. If someone says "Mother Goddess is Supreme Lord", I would know exactly what was said and there would be not an iota of confusion in my mind! I fully understand that people have different ideas about God and that there must be millions of people who feel a connection with Sri Raam just as I do with Mother Goddess.... I hope and wish that they experience the full joy of heaven as a result of their devotion in Raam (Raam literally means 'bliss' - Madhvacharya).

Alisina.org : The Trinity for Dummies

Fri, 6 Jun 2014 10:15:35 +0000

["Just imagine ,that if Sita was not kidnapped by Ravana ,and Rama was leading a happy life with Sita in that forest ,in that situation will Rama agreed to kill Bali?"] First, sorry for the late response! Now here is the response- If Rama did anything different in the scenario that you provided, then one could indeed question his intentions! But there is something very important that you are missing- When we read Ramayan, what we are really reading is the authors' imagination. We cannot suspect the intentions of any of the story's characters.... we can only suspect the intentions of the author! We can say "Why did the author make his character do this?", and/or "What was the author thinking?", and/or "What are the author's intentions?" etc. We cannot suspect the intentions of characters in the story (unless if the author specifically created the story for that purpose)! The characters were created by the author and they only do what the author wanted them to do! So if the author said "Sugrive really thought his brother died fighting Mayavi" then that is what we have to accept! This is the case with all stories. You cannot suspect Santa Clause either. You cannot say "Santa may be a pedophile doing all his tricks just to get access to children". You cannot say so because whoever came up with the idea of Santa Clause, came up with a character who brings gifts to children! It would be ridiculous to question the intentions of Santa, don't you think? This is different from someone who actually lived. We CAN suspect Muhammad's intentions, or Gandhi's, or Obama's, or even Modi's!

Alisina.org : The Trinity for Dummies

Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:36:28 +0000

cchuckc, Why did so many people, including the learnt ones (as you named above) choose to see the Supreme Lord as Raam, rather than any other character? The fact that Puran authors even got Shiv to say "I meditate on Sri Raam", rather than on Krishna or even "I meditate on the formless one") shows that these authors see something special in Raam. What is it that they see?

Alisina.org : Love Yourself

Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:03:45 +0000

@ABEID You have posted a lengthy post and I was going to reply to all the points that you made but then I realized your comment is directed at Ali Sina, so it would be best if he responds if he so chooses. All that I am going to do is post a response to these claims of yours- ["... for every apostate article you post 100 muslims are made stronger including me!!!" "....but if you keep on choosing one side very few will believe your personal crusade against islam you will only hardened them!(you dont have to thank me for giving you this hint) "] Well, you have been visiting this site for only 3 months. I have been visiting Ali's sites for 10 years and every other Muslim who visits this site not only gives us that same hint but also tells us that his own faith in his deen has hardened like never before, after reading Ali's articles! .... And every time we advise these Muslims to go tell other Muslims about this site, so that those other Muslims too can become stronger in their faith in Islam and Muhammad! Sounds reasonable... doesn't it? Despite this, they do not tell anyone about Ali Sina. It is as if they fear that Allah might have limited number of rooms in Jannat, and they fear that if other Muslims' faith becomes as strong as their own, they (other Muslims) will stampede to get in and leave them only with 'No Vacancy' signs! But this is clearly selfishness, and Muhammad's Allah will never accept it. Muslims are supposed to be aware that in Islam, the most important of anything is ISLAM, and they MUST do anything and everything to make it stronger, including telling others about Ali Sina's site. ["That is why am here commenting as its my duty to defend my religion." "You say salvation in islam is a business transaction i agree with that ...."] You are not doing your duty well enough! Now that you know, through personal experience, that reading Ali's articles makes Muslims' faith stronger, you MUST tell others about this site. And since you agree that things in Islam are mostly a business transaction, just think of all the sawab points that you will be getting from Muhammad... err... Allah for helping other Muslims strengthen their faith! The sawab points that you will be getting are for fact more than the points that you get when you do hajj or feed some poor man! You know why? Because the poor bloke may not be religious at all and just pretending to be Muslim for food! It is not like if you tell him "I will give you food and in return you must strengthen your deen"... and the guy says "Yeah sure!"..... that he is actually going to do it! You don't know if he really meant it or he just lied for food! But when you Abeid, hear about Muslims who got their faith strengthened from reading Ali's articles, you know for sure that they are not lying! You know this because you have personal experience....  .... And Allah now too knows that you are aware of a proven method of strengthening Muslims' deen! If despite knowing all this, you refuse to tell others about this deen-strengthening method, or show clumsiness, then be aware that not only are you NOT going to get any plus sawab points, but your sawab will be doubly reduced - 1) for being selfish, and 2) for not helping to strengthen Muslims' deen despite knowing how! What will you say to Allah when you will be face to face with him? What excuse of yours do you think will Allah will accept? ....You will end up in eternal Jahannam, Abeid... despite your doing everything else to be a good servant of Mo's Allah! You will be one big loser!! So wisen up.... don't be selfish.... don't be clumsy..... and start telling everyone about Ali Sina's website.... This cannot get any simpler than that :)

Alisina.org : The Trinity for Dummies

Tue, 3 Jun 2014 10:47:02 +0000

I apologize, since the way I put my question doesn't reveal correctly what I want to know! So I should point out two observations before asking- 1) In the SGGS, the Gurus advise readers to skip worshipping Shiv and instead worship Hari since Shiv himself meditates on Hari. A study of Purans revealed that Shiv does indeed meditate on Raam and Hari. 2) In the Purans it says that Sati once inquired Shiv about who he meditates on. Shiv replied that he meditates on Sri Raam. However, Raam was not even born yet! Granted that he was avatar of Vishnu, but he had not appeared as Raam yet! So how could he meditate on Raam? A website explained that Raam is himself supreme being, so he is present all the time. He was present when Shiv was meditating on him, even though going by time-line he had not appeared as a human yet. I realized that it was THIS Raam that the Sikh Gurus (and other Vaishnavs) were talking about. What perplexes me is how can the leelas of *human* Raam be used to praise Raam-the-supreme-being, when he had not appeared as human yet! How can Sikh Gurus use examples from Ramayan when they do not even believe in avatars (that is, they do not believe that any Raam appeared as human)! Let's say we are living in a time period when Raam-the-human has not come to life yet. And lets say we talk to some religious pandit and he advises us to worship (or meditate on) Raam. We say "Raam who?" He says, "the supreme being, whose name is Raam." In this case if we do start meditating on Raam, we would not be thinking anything about his human form, his leelas, and/or how he protected others. We would be thinking about him the same way Sikhs think about Waheguru..... hope you got the point. Would it make any sense to bring in the Ramayan, or anything from Ramayan, to praise Raam-the-supreme-being? Where did Ramayan even come from in this time-period? What has Ramayan even got to do with Raam-the-supreme-being in this time period?

Alisina.org : The Trinity for Dummies

Tue, 3 Jun 2014 09:40:50 +0000

Well, if that were the case you would think that Christians on this board would challenge Ali regarding his explanation of Trinity.... but so far no Christian has done so!