en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/367292 Comments by kmichaels http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment402748758 Quite a long response filled with your typical arrogance, your false assumptions about who must be hating whom and a serious sign that you are rather pompous and filled with your own self greatness. I suggest you remove that beam from your own eye dear child. Because you fail to come across as the great teacher and great example that you think you are. All I see from you is hypocrisy tatooed on your forehead. Now mellow out and take your own good advice. Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:14:22 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment402748758 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment402746224 Rightly dividing the word of truth has nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with whether the popular way of referring to a given book in the bible can be shortened to either "Revelation" or "Revelations". I suggest you stop straining at gnats and swallowing camels. When that issue was your starter we could figure you'd mess us whatever else you might want to discuss. As to you not worrying about the anti-Christ, I am the guy that clearly stated it does not matter whether there is one or many. So no need to preach to the choir on that issue. As to the 24 Elders with crowns of gold what it means could go in many directions. I doubt there is any solid single answer. Most likely the number has to do with 12 apostles and 12 tribes, possibly the leaders of the twelve tribes. If you think you are preparing for some discussion as to how it proves the rapture one way or the other then you can forget that line of thinking. Because it is too little to go on and to prove that case. Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:10:18 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment402746224 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment401044845 1) Your first point is to get anal retentive about me using the word "Revelations" Techincally it is "The Revelation of St John The Divine". Nice anal retentive way for you to start your views with. 2) You are not impressed by our arrogance. Then you lay on all sorts of arrogant statements of your own, wanting desperately to show that you must be a better person than we are. 3) You believe in a pre-Rapture. Good for you. That is neither here nor there. You believe it. I don't. Others don't. I doubt the concept is a saving doctrine one way or the other. In short, it is not that important. 4) Our words tend towards strife. Well, if our words do, how were your hypocritical words less towards strife? I suggest you first remove that "disgusting" beam from your own eye before you attempt to correct others. 5) If you know him (God) at all. Nice little arrogant dig that you put in at the end. In any case, you surely are not thinking that you are a better example are you? If so, once again, I just have to laugh in your general direction. 6) In short, HYPOCRISY is thy name. Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:00:17 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment401044845 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment401026252 I guess reading comprehension was never your strength. Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:21:25 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment401026252 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment401024900 Yet again you were given a chance to prove your point with more verses. What's the problem dude? You have concluded to yourself that you have nothing to offer in the way of evidence. I suggest you stop making claims that you are so woefully incapable of proving. Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:18:34 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment401024900 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment401024209 I guess reading comprehension and logic were never your strong points. I keep giving you an opportunity for you to explain yourself, and provide evidence for your claims and all you end up doing is repeating some of your unfounded claims, as though your goal is to prove my point for me. If you want to show me ignorant logically, you just show some counter evidence. Are these ideas above your pay grade? Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:16:53 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment401024209 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400608906 That must be why you listed all the other verses just now that back you up. Whoops, silly me, you listed none. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:23:40 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400608906 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400607665 Notice how cjk operates. Makes a generic claim, but rarely backs it up with evidence. Are you, cjk, saying that Jews and Christians do practice stoning these days? If so, supply your evidence. If not, then perhaps as I stated above, one's set of scriptures is not the determining factor in one's behaviour. As to exposing one's ignorant thought process, well, cjk, you have us all beat in that department. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 21:20:51 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400607665 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400583396 Bwa ha ha ha. cjk still trying to convince us that 2 plus 2 really does equal 5. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:27:25 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400583396 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400583106 It is becoming clear that truth is not your goal. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:27:01 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400583106 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400582872 The debate is about you saying things that it does not say and then you saying that it said what YOU said it said when it did not. That is the issue that your overly hard head is having trouble coming to terms with. In short, what you said it said and what it really does say are two very different things. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:26:33 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400582872 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400581082 How exactly is my understanding of multiple antichrists going to destroy me exactly? What actionable issue here will make a difference in anyone's life whether there be many or one? You really need to use more logic and less dumbfounding emotion. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:22:46 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400581082 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400580383 You figure a lot of things that are simply not true. As you have so frequently demonstrated. I quoted what you said so how is it now that you figure I imagined it? Again you are proving yourself more than confused on this and many subjects. And I have given you yet another chance for you to explain then what the crux of your argument is and you have failed to come through with a logical and honest response. So instead of you telling us what is not the crux of your argument you could simply explain what it is. See how simple that is. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 20:21:23 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400580383 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400569465 That is what you stated dude. Are you now ready to change your story? If that is not the crux of your theory then why did you not, just now, explain what the crux is? Here is what you said: "The prophet Micah clearly identifies the Antichrist as an ASSYRIAN which would fit well within Mohammedanism" So I suggest you stick with one version of your claim since you are already substantially confused on the details. As to the rapture, no, you are wrong, yet again. You really need to study more and be less sure of your current conclusions. Because so far your batting average is not that good. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:58:44 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400569465 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400568550 Project much do you cjk? I am staing the facts. Micah does not specify that there will be one and only one antichrist and that his ethic background will be that of "Assyrian" whatever that means today, and that this given Assyrian will also be a Muslim as you stated he would be. First point, Assyrians are almost exclusively Christians of today so one would be hardpressed to lay the claim that he will likely be a Muslim. In short it makes no logical sense. Secondly, in order to be plain text to make your point Micah would have to word what he said quite dufferently that the way that it was worded. And finally, what actionable difference in your mind does it make whether or not some future antichrist is an Assyrian in your mind? In short, you are straining at gnats and swallowing camels. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:56:36 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400568550 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400564175 Intrcptr2, that is because you seem to have a better spirit about yourself where you use a level headed approach to understanding the scriptures. So you are wise to leave open the possibility that some words were used symbolically and not intended to be taken literally. Especially since the actionable difference between whether some future enemy of God is of any given ethnic background is pretty much nil. Yes, I agree with your logic that a believable fake messiah would more likely be a Jew but even that is not necessarily the case. In either case you have great reasoning skills, unlike some others here. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:46:59 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400564175 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400561014 The Talmud and what it references would logically give you some historical background and insight. You would be wiser to be less sure of things that you obviously know so little about. Certainly many of your conclusions are from extra-biblical sources since much of what you have concluded is not what is stated in the bible. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:40:25 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400561014 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400559254 What is the actionable difference between how you treat one of many antichrists compared to "the" antichrist? Why do you think that the distinction is important? I suggest that there is zero difference. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:36:35 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400559254 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400558804 How does my own quote destroy my argument? You seem to be unclear even what my argument is. It is that there is no significant rational reason to concern oneself over whether there is one antichrist or many since one's actionable response to any antichrist would be to reject that person and or persons. So before you jump into the discussion it would behoove you to understand the debate. So my quote demonstrates that there are more than one antichrist, going along with what I always stated. Not quite sure why it matters whether there is one main antichrist or many influential antichrists. That is my main point. How do we treat a lesser antichrist any different from "the" antichrist? What is the actionable difference here? I suggest that there are none. Was Hitler an antichrist? How should he have been treated differently from say "the" main one? It is examples like this that leads me to conclude that you treat them all pretty much the same way, whether you think there will be one or one billion. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:35:33 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400558804 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400555160 What is says is not what you interpretted it to say. That is your basic problem. It does not IDENTIFY the components the way that you concluded that they must be indentified. When Jesus said that "you must hate your wife, husband, brother, etc" what did he mean? He said it, but what did he mean? If you don't understand these simple issues then you will not be in a position to understand anything. Written workds must be taken in context and understood as a whole based on many logical factors. And that you seem to be missing altogether. And in case you missed the point of my question about hating family members, the correct answer is that your first priority must be God first, then your proper relationship with family members and how you treat them will naturally follow. Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:28:11 +0000 http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/muslim-brotherhood-destroy-the-pyramids/#IDComment400555160