en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/765991 Comments by kar5349 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment70029674 This whole issue, while upsetting, does not come as a shock to me. It is people like these extremists who threatened the writers that give the rest of the Muslims bad name. As many people said in previous posts, South Park likes to push the buttons of every issue out there. There lovely show on “gingerism” is the only reason that people make fun of me for my hair color, which I happen to love. I still love South Park, and they will always continue to make fun of every religion, political issue, person, etc, that they can. I just do not see how two writers should deserve to die because they made fun of a god. How does the airing of the show affect anyone’s relationship with their god, if they have a problem with it, then do not watch it. Obviously, I am not a Muslim so the whole image of Mohammad thing just seems absurd to me. Sat, 24 Apr 2010 00:20:30 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment70029674 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/letter-from-an-inmate__trashed/#IDComment70023097 I have never had any experience with “lifers,” but unfortunately I feel pretty strongly about this issue. I have really tried to open my eyes to the statement that some of these people are “quality people” as Sam or Laurie said in class, but I just can make myself believe it. I cannot get past the fact that these “lifers” did something so terrible that would even require a life sentence. They obviously destroyed a life, and that has caused an entire family, group of friends, and community to have lost someone they care about. I know that some of these people are remorseful, but that does not change the fact that they ruined the lives of so many people. I personally do not care how sorry you are or how well you write a letter, someone is now gone from this earth who did not deserve to be. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:54:35 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/letter-from-an-inmate__trashed/#IDComment70023097 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/300000-whats-it-mean-to-us__trashed/#IDComment70021242 I think it is hard to say that people “don’t care” about what happened in Haiti, because you do not know the thoughts that go through people’s minds. Of course I care that these people’s lives have been absolutely turned upside by this terrible natural disaster, but short of flying to Haiti to lend a helping hand, I do not believe there is all that much that I could do that would actually make a difference. Yeah, I could donate money, and I did put in some money when Sam was collecting it, but do we really know where the money is going? Of course I know Sam would not steal our money, I am not trying to imply that, but is the money that anyone donates really making a huge difference in the relief effort? I obviously have not been to Haiti so I am just pulling this stuff out of the air, so call me naïve. If you are a student at Penn State, chances are you have had a pretty damn good life. That being said, it is hard for many people to open their eyes to what is actually going on down there. Most of us have not seen extreme poverty, we have not lived it, we have not experienced it. We cannot relate in any way, shape or form to what is going on in Haiti so it is hard to emotionally grieve. Of course, anyone with any human compassion will stare at the television while thinking how terrible things are and how horrendous those conditions are and how tragic it is that so many people are displaced, lost, or dead, but then the program ends and the news coverage is halted. Then we go do our homework, cook dinner, call our parents and we forget what those Haitians can never forget. I cannot mourn someone who I never knew, but I can mourn the situation. And I have done that, as I am sure many others did as well, but considering my life was not altered by the earthquake, I will inevitably forget because in my little world, I have other things to do. That sounds really harsh and ignorant, but my life goes on, and believe me I know how lucky I am that my life goes on happily. Now if a family member died, like one of my parents, then I would mourn and my every thought would be consumed with that. My mother, in particular, is my best friend, she is someone I can count on no matter what, and if I did not have her my life would be 100% different. That would impact me, that would change my everyday routine, that would change my life. I think that is a main reason why people do not seem to “care” about over 300,000 people dying, because our lives go on unchanged. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:40:18 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/300000-whats-it-mean-to-us__trashed/#IDComment70021242 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/the-tyranny-of-radical-muslims__trashed/#IDComment68444231 I am glad that this perspective was shard on this website. I mean, most of us know that that is not what Muslims represent, the extremists, etc. But there are a few ignorant people out there that see bin Laden and group every Muslim to be like him. Hell, people even group all brown people to be like him, ignorant people, that is. One of my best friends is Muslim and of course I know how she practices her religion, and it is not by blowing things up. Your husband should be comforted by the fact that there are people out who do not have their heads up their asses and they know how real Muslims practice their religion. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:32:14 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/the-tyranny-of-radical-muslims__trashed/#IDComment68444231 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/creating-terrorists__trashed/#IDComment68435176 You don’t really hear about female suicide bombers too much. I feel as though the most common suicide bombers are men. If you also look at how men and women typically commit suicide in America, men tend to use more definite approaches, like hanging themselves or shooting themselves. Women tend to take the riskier options, like popping pills or slitting their wrists. So the fact that there are more suicide bombers that are men than women can probably be related to that statistic. It is just so sad to see that this woman felt that killing herself was her only option. If a loved one of mine were murdered, by any means, including being a victim of war violence, then I would want to avenge their death. But I would most certainly never kill another innocent person just because I was angry. That is just doing the same thing to another family that had been done to yours. So I don’t know how accurate it would be to say that these people are avenging their loved ones, but who knows, maybe they feel that is the only way they can make an impact. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:10:27 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/creating-terrorists__trashed/#IDComment68435176 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68300531 If you are raised to believe a certain thing, you most likely will believe it. If you are born into a family that hates Americans and everything we do, you will be bred to believe that fact. Without the proper information, how are you to know any different? An unprovoked epiphany about why Americans say they are invading your country is not going to just pop into your head. And I believe that was the point of today’s lecture. We were supposed to step into the shoes of average people living in Iraq and see things from their point of view. Why is their country being turned into ruins? Because the Americans are being selfish pigs. They do not want to do any research to justify what is happening to their country, all they know is that there are foreign people here and they are making their lives harder. So of course there will be angry people who will fight against the Americans. As the poll in class revealed, so would most of us if we were in their shoes. I consider myself to have compassion for all forms of human life. One exception to that would be for murderers. I do not care how “cool” they are or if they are “quality human beings,” they killed someone, and for that I hope they wake up everyday as miserable as possible. I do not care if they are “changed.” That one person whose life they took will never be able to come back, and that is that. Whew, anyway…my original point was to say that I really have a hard time with the death of civilians. I will tell you right now that I am not nearly educated enough about the war in Iraq, so I will not take sides either way because I do not have the knowledge to. But for me, personally, I do not believe I would be able to take another humans life (unless they deserve it, anyone watch Dexter?) I am not saying that I am against war, I am just saying that I could not imagine losing my family to violence. Especially violence that I do not fully understand. Innocent people are dying every day in Iraq, and again, I am not saying it is because of Americans, I am just saying that people are being victims of violence that does not have to exist. As for the Christian aspect of this whole thing, I personally am not a fan of religion. That should be enough of an explanation. The Christians that I personally know are very, very religious people. Christianity is their life, and that is really not an issue to me. One of my very best friends is a very, very hardcore Christian, and I love him to death. I just find it hard to believe in the same things that he does and I could never live the type of life he lives. But that is how he was raised so he is fine with it. Bottom line, I like to do what I want to do, not what God (if there is one) wants me to do. I feel as though I lead a very good life and I do not think religion needs to influence me, or anyone. But, to each his own. I know I really did not directly answer the question, but oh well. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:31:11 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68300531 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/i-really-want-to-know-also__trashed/#IDComment66730535 This is a great question. Honestly, many of the things that Sam has said I have already considered in my 19 years of living. If you have not thought about the stuff Sam says, well you must live in a hole. His opinions have not changed my thinking in any way, but that is not the point of the class. Sam has said that he does not want us to think like him, he just wants us to think. There are some lectures were I will nod in agreement with something Sam says, and there are other times where I will glance around the room to see the angry look on people’s faces. I do find it odd that with 20 plus years of teaching, Sam still has insane revelations once a week. Some of the things that he finds so profound, I really find uninteresting. But, to each his own. I am no sociologist so my interests are obviously in another category. Fri, 9 Apr 2010 05:12:59 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/i-really-want-to-know-also__trashed/#IDComment66730535 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-about-multiracial-people__trashed/#IDComment65672206 This student was actually in my race relations discussion group the other week so I got to hear what he had to say first hand. I must admit when I first saw him I just assumed he was white, but when he started talking he stated that he is not white, and he identifies with his Hispanic side of the family. I did not think much of it because that is the case for many people around here. But to see the turmoil that it is causing him is upsetting. I do not think people should be asked to pick a “team” if they feel uneasy about it. If you do not know what to identify with, or if you feel you identify with a race that society does not put you in, then go ahead and do so. Sat, 3 Apr 2010 00:46:42 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-about-multiracial-people__trashed/#IDComment65672206 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/in-her-own-words__trashed/#IDComment65671476 I think it is nice to have someone who is so comfortable talking about “bleeding” so freely. I personally do not mind talking about it, but kind of only with girls. It is not that I MIND talking about it with boys, but I just…don’t? I do not really know a better way to put it, and I am sure many girls out there understand where I am coming from, even if they do not agree with it. Anyway, as a side note to guys: hormones are crazy things. They can really alter the way a girl feels in so many ways. Personally, the week before my period I usually get really angry at certain people, whether it be my roommate or my best friend. I just want to be left alone and I withdraw, and I sit there thinking to myself “what is wrong with me?” Then I make the connection that my period is starting soon and this stupid PMS is really affecting my life. It is much more annoying to us then it is to you. Sat, 3 Apr 2010 00:42:21 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/in-her-own-words__trashed/#IDComment65671476 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/nothing-about-the-census-is-easy__trashed/#IDComment65670524 I still have yet to receive my very first census, so I also have yet to experience this very important form filling event for myself. I do not really even know what type of questions will be on the census but so far there is just a serious amount of hype about it. I know why it is so important, and I plan to fill it out accurately. I just think some people are thinking too far into the issue of what race they are. I personally know my race is white, it is not very hard for me to figure that one out. If you are black, then mark whatever box you want that corresponds to being black. If you do not identify as a “negro,” then do not check the damn box. If you are multiracial, then fill it out accordingly! Of course, most of the people here at Penn State will understand the concept of the different terms, because I would like to think that Penn State is a generally well educated and intelligent group of people. Unfortunately, there are many, many, many people out there who are very uneducated and either do not understand how to fill out a census or get offended by certain terms on there. They just assume that the people who wrote the census are white, racist idiots. As Sam stated, they do not realize the amount of time, effort, and money that went into deciding whether to keep the particular term were to be kept on the census or not. I would assume that the reason it was kept is because there is still a very large amount of people who solely identify themselves as “negroes.” Also, as Sam said, these people are the older generation of black people. The younger generation of black people are probably the ones being offended by this term and they do not realize that there is a large amount of people who identify themselves that way. Of course, there is no way to educate every single offended person as to why this term exists. I actually feel bad for the people who wrote the census because they put so much effort into doing this and trying to make it less confusing as possible, only to have it ineviteably end up in confusion and frustration. Some other people mentioned in their posts, it is interesting about the lack of distinction for white people. I personally do not care, because I identify as white and that is fine by me, but I can see some white people getting offended just like black people get offended and mixed race people get offended. You can not satisfy everybody though. Sat, 3 Apr 2010 00:35:52 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/nothing-about-the-census-is-easy__trashed/#IDComment65670524 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment63951202 While I do think the class’s reaction to this topic was a little absurd, I do not think it was because the class was grossed out or anything, but rather because we were caught off guard by the blunt presentation of the topic. I have to admit I let out a shocked “ohhhh!” when he first brought it up, but it was more so because that was not what I was expecting to hear. I am a girl who is fine talking about periods and whatnot. My mom is an embryologist so she sees vaginas every day, therefore talking about this stuff has always been a part of my life. What made me uneasy was the fact that Sam just blurted out how he wants too see his wife’s blood in the toilet? I still do not know if I heard that correctly or not, but that is how I interpreted it. That is a little odd to me, but to each his own I guess. I do think it is unfortunate that talking comfortably about periods only seems to be fine with girls. This is obviously because females are the only ones who experience this, and men really have no idea how we feel and so they cannot relate. I think it is fine for females to discuss about when they are menstruating and if they are in pain and stuff, but I personally do not want to hear the nitty-gritty details. And boys, for the record, cramps do hurt! We are not weak and we are not complaining, because when our cramping is bad, it really affects day-to-day life. I have felt light headed because my cramps have been so bad, it can be serious stuff. And as for the bad moods, to put it simply, how would you feel if you knew you were going to bleed out of your happy place for 3-7 days? For some reason I do not think most men would be too happy with that thought. I do not really agree with the thought that we should be able to talk about menstruating over the dinner table, just like we would be able to talk about being hungry or some other simple bodily function. Maybe Sam was just at a loss for a good example, but being hungry is much different than your ovary releasing an egg and then 2 weeks later having your uterine lining shed. Eating is something we can do in front of each other, changing a tampon is not. There is a reason that certain things are reserved for the bathroom. Of course, that is just my personal opinion. I do agree that woman who are able to have a regular period should be proud because they know they are fertile. That is a wonderful fact of life that should be appreciated by everyone, because like Sam said, if women did not have periods, none of us would be here! Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:07:20 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment63951202 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment63085293 I think this question is pretty valid. It does seem that Sam only addressed the negative comments that were posted be white people. When the white people were asked that question, yes, there were some stupid, derogatory remarks. But the majority of the answers I saw consisted of people saying how there was nothing that differentiated white people and black people, except for pigmentation of the skin. But when this question was posed to black people, I really felt that the overwhelming majority of answers were negative stereotypes. I saw only one positive remark out of the many that scrolled across the screen. This class is supposed to ERASE stereotypes, and I feel as though the answers to that question were the opposite of what we were supposed to accomplish. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:03:29 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment63085293 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-happens-to-multiracial-people__trashed/#IDComment63084896 I have to agree with a bunch of the other previous posts in saying that Sam should probably use different terms when differentiating between races. For a class that is supposed to talk about race and how you should not judge someone by the color of their skin, and he only uses the terms “black, white, and brown.” As it has been made apparent, there are many other races out there, and we even did a whole lesson on mixed races. What if someone only identifies themselves as half and half, and does not want to pick a side? What are they supposed to do in this context? I don’t know, bottom line is I think different terminology should be used. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:59:33 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-happens-to-multiracial-people__trashed/#IDComment63084896 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/women-and-sports__trashed/#IDComment63059585 Well this story is very exciting to hear! This woman seems very knowledgeable and passionate about football, and in my opinion that is all you need to be a good coach. She stated a few times that she places an enormous amount of pressure on herself, which I think further emphasizes that she will succeed in this position. It does seem that the majority of sports teams, whether it be a men’s or a women’s league, are coached by men. I personally do not mind whether my coach is a man or a woman, I have had both throughout my life and one was never “better” than the other. I have also had coaches of multiple different races, and again, I really enjoyed all of them. As for Natalie’s particular case, she just seems so intense! She is so articulate and seems well educated. It is just so apparent that her every thought and every sentence she said was full of passion. Not only does she love the sport, but she seems like she wants to teach the players everything she knows. She wants them to love the sport as much as she does, because most of the best athletes out there are ones who eat, sleep, and breathe their sport, and they love every second of it. Hopefully the players will respect her as a coach and respect the fact that she is a woman, because in my opinion, her gender makes no difference in her coaching abilities. As it is apparent, she is not only a woman, but she is a woman of color. I would like to know how the community reacts to her new found job. There are some people out there who would have a problem with it because she is a woman, and there are others who would have a problem with it because she is of color, and there are even some people out there who would have a problem with it because of both! For some reason, as we are all well aware, some people just can not get past what is on the outside. Do they know how much experience she has in football? Or how much passion she has? How much she wants to teach? Do they care? These questions should have very simple answers, and it is unfortunate some people can not see that this is a historical event, something that will be talked about in the future. This is a huge accomplishment in this woman’s life, and I would hope that everyone would be able to respect that. Congratulations Natalie! I hope everyone who saw that video will wish you the best of luck with this new responsibility! Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:43:08 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/women-and-sports__trashed/#IDComment63059585 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/a-long-long-way-indeed__trashed/#IDComment59839359 Interesting thought. Personally I believe that if a slaveholder were to see how far black people have come, they would probably have a stroke. Not only would they be astonished, but I think there would be some anger mixed in there as well. According to the slave owners, their slaves are their property. They are not singers, actors, doctors, lawyers, or athletes. Unfortunately, there are still people existing today who think this is astounding and possibly enraging. There are many, many discriminatory people living in the United States, and even though they are living in 2010 with the rest of us, their mentality is that of slaveholders. I look forward to the day when color is overlooked completely. Fri, 5 Mar 2010 05:00:55 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/a-long-long-way-indeed__trashed/#IDComment59839359 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/are-whites-the-only-people-willing-to-humiliate-themselves__trashed/#IDComment59838857 I have definitely noticed this kind of thing before. Actually, a few hours ago I was on the Charlotte Russe website (a clothing store) and I noticed that all the girls modeling the clothes were white. When I go to the store in person, there are quite a few black and/or brown people there, and it got me thinking if they are bothered by this? I personally do not think I would be offended or annoyed if I were to look through a clothing magazine and the models were black or brown. They still have a woman’s body and I know what colors and styles look good on me, so that would not really interfere with my life. But as for all these mainstream television shows having predominantly white actors/participants, well, that fact even annoys me…and I’m white. Would America really suffer if the Bachelor were black? I think not, and if they would suffer from that simple change, then they should be out educating themselves instead of watching the Bachelor. Fri, 5 Mar 2010 04:55:34 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/are-whites-the-only-people-willing-to-humiliate-themselves__trashed/#IDComment59838857 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/whats-with-the-theme-parties__trashed/#IDComment59838370 I have to say really disagree with the statement that themed parties are geared towards the discrimination of black people. I have been to some theme parties and they consisted of a “black and white” theme (obviously in terms of what color clothing you wear), “hippies and highlighters”, “heaven and hell”, “gym bros and yoga hoes” etc. I do not see how that could be categorized as racist. Also, I disagree with the statement that these themed parties make fun of certain groups of people. The themed party of “hippies and highlighters” certainly was not making fun of hippies, it was just giving people a chance to be creative, wear tie-dye and headbands across their foreheads without looking like complete idiots. In my opinion, these themed parties exist so that people can just have fun and do something that is out of the ordinary. As for the statement that only white people host these parties, I think that is a little far fetched as well. Although I have not personally been to a themed party that was hosted by a black person, I do not see how one can say that this type of thing is exclusively the act of white people. I honestly do not even see how this topic could be associated with race in the first place. So what if the party has a theme? How is that different from a white person hosting a regular party? One of the apartments I visit frequently is owned by a brown person, and now that I come to think of it, there was a themed party there. It was something along the lines of snowboarders and snow bunnies (but it rhymed, I just can not remember what it was.) Again, no one was making fun of snowboarders, half the people in that room were probably snowboarders. The more I write the more I am confused at how this question even came to be. Never has this thought ever crossed my mind. Maybe it is because I am white so I stereotypically do not notice, or maybe it is because I am blind to the color of who is hosting the party I am at. Regardless of that, I also do not understand the accent on the party being themed. Are themed parties looked down upon? Because if they are, over half of the school and I are “lame.” I do not know, I do not understand the difference between the theme of a college party of the theme of a holiday. Sure, one is a HOLIDAY, but it is still the same idea. Everyone conforms and dress in similar attire and have a good time based on the occasion or theme of the party. Like I said, I think it is just a fun time and it is a chance to whip out that weird shirt that you never wear, and wear it to a themed party because it matches perfectly. Fri, 5 Mar 2010 04:50:09 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/whats-with-the-theme-parties__trashed/#IDComment59838370 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/who-could-compete-with-this-woman-on-a-level-playing-field__trashed/#IDComment58912207 Yvrose’s story is really an inspiration and it is great and encouraging to see that there are people out there who are making the most of what they have. This woman’s story should be more widely known because there are millions of people around the world who just float through life and do not realize how good they have it. I have to admit that most of the time, I am one of those people. Just the other day I was laying in my dorm bed surrounded by comfy, clean pillows while watching a television show on my Mac. I do not even remember what I was watching but something made me think of how lucky I am to have all that I have, and how lucky I am to have parents that can comfortably afford to send me to college. I am so lucky to be where I am at in life and have the mind that I have. Like many people at Penn State, I floated through high school, not really applying myself to anything but still managing very good grades. Imagine what I could have done if I had been motivated towards a certain cause? Yvrose Jean Baptiste is someone who would thrive in a country where these types of resources are available. Granted, for someone with only a fifth grade education she has established herself very well and if this catastrophe had not had happened I wonder where her business would take her. She is an intelligent woman who has a knack for the business world, it is a shame that she has had this set back. Had she been born in America she would probably be on top of the business world, or at least steadily working towards it. Even though she is a black woman, with her creativity and will to learn I am sure she would surpass many of the college students and post graduates who are still trying to establish themselves in this world. But then there is a flip side to this story. If Yvrose were born in America, would she be just as unmotivated as the next person? That is not to say that every student at Penn State is unmotivated, because if they were then they probably would not be here. But I feel as though most of Yvrose’s determination is because she has a need to survive. She is working as hard as she is because she needs to feed herself and her children. If she were born in America into a wealthier family who is maybe in the middle class and had a comfortable living, would those creative juices be put to work? Or would they sit there idley like so many other people in this country? Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:29:35 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/who-could-compete-with-this-woman-on-a-level-playing-field__trashed/#IDComment58912207 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58909807 I agree, it is definitely our place to stand up for someone innocent under attack. If I were an observer of this event, I think I would say something in support of the Muslim woman. Seeing as she had done nothing wrong, and was being harassed just because of her culture I think is a huge reason to stand up for someone. If the person being attacked was a man, I think the results would be different. Not as many people, including myself, would stand up for a man because in many of our minds men do not need rescuing of any sort. I think no matter the gender though, whenever a person is under attack for a racial or cultural discrimination we all have the duty to stand up for him or her. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:04:16 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58909807 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/inequality-class-question-three__trashed/#IDComment58908881 I agree with this statement. You look like any other Penn State student. If I had passed you on the street, I would not take a double take, but then again those kind of thoughts do not really cross a person's mind a school like Penn State. I think the environment a person is in also has a lot to do with the opinion one forms. So if I had seen you on the streets of a run down town I may have thought otherwise. Many people automatically form impressions of a person if they see him or her in a certain location even though they have no idea what that person is like. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:54:50 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/inequality-class-question-three__trashed/#IDComment58908881