en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/515303 Comments by kabobfadi http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/the-minority-position-on-bill-clintons-adc-address.html#IDComment24459892 Will, what do you feel ADC's role is in this? Prior to inviting him, is there any reasonable expectation that he would deliver a speech worthy of praise? If not, should ADC not shoulder some blame? Is the prominence of the speaker counterbalanced by the negative effect on the community? When assessing the speech in light of who the speaker is, it certainly could have gone much worse if he "catered" it to the Arab community. If he focused on "our issues," the speech would have been more belittling, more offensive, and more damaging (at least in the sense that the Pavlovian response would have remained the same). I prefer we fawn over some meaningless or elementary banter about identity politics. Does your critique of the speech fully take into account the setting? (or only partially take the setting into account, in order to address what was missing). Is there any speech that he realistically (i.e., does not contradict his known views on "our issues") would have given at the ADC banquet that does not warrant criticism? If not, shouldn't ADC be criticized as well? Shouldn't ADC provide the platform to a speaker that will empower us, rather than knock us? Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:33:42 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/the-minority-position-on-bill-clintons-adc-address.html#IDComment24459892 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/saad-eddin-ibrahim-praises-arab-monarchies-at-adc.html#IDComment24220172 Native compradore intellectuals... i like that, i'm writing that down. Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:40:16 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/saad-eddin-ibrahim-praises-arab-monarchies-at-adc.html#IDComment24220172 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/visionary-palestinians-can-salvage-the-israeli-wreckage.html#IDComment23823921 +1 Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:35:47 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/visionary-palestinians-can-salvage-the-israeli-wreckage.html#IDComment23823921 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23808614 K Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:45:23 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23808614 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23808603 O Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:45:17 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23808603 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23798235 yup, not of my own volition. it's the default setting. my goal is to have the highest number of points by posting a ton of meaningless comments. thankfully, you're not registered because I'm not sure I could compete with you. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:51:45 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23798235 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23761567 wait... wait... aww shucks, looks like, still, nobody cares. Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:06:00 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23761567 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23759957 nobody cares. Tue, 9 Jun 2009 23:37:34 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23759957 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/18-signs-you-are-at-an-arabic-dance-party.html#IDComment23756669 Cuz, i think you're the one that needs to lighten up. Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:38:15 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/18-signs-you-are-at-an-arabic-dance-party.html#IDComment23756669 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/breaking-news-chaim-sugarman-bombs-nc-slim-jim-plant.html#IDComment23753619 +100000000! Tue, 9 Jun 2009 22:17:54 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/breaking-news-chaim-sugarman-bombs-nc-slim-jim-plant.html#IDComment23753619 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23747905 Good ol' typical Will. Interesting little-known fact about Will that I hope you will bring up ad nauseum in all of your future comments: Will once dated a rabidly right-wing Christian Zionist. 2 months into the relationship, she broke up with him after she discovered he wasn't a Zionist as he had claimed to be. I kid you not, the last thing she ever said to him was, "I hope you get left behind!" I think that must be a rapture reference. Can you please end all of your comments to Will with that. "I hope you get left behind!" I know for a fact that it would really bother him. Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:20:41 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23747905 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/18-signs-you-are-at-an-arabic-dance-party.html#IDComment23742685 what is the "FAIL" about? Apparently, FAIL is interwebs lingo for "your argument fails"; i.e., abu kharyan's comment sucketh. I just learned it, and was anxious to use it. the Internet sure has changed a lot since my day. Tue, 9 Jun 2009 20:09:28 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/18-signs-you-are-at-an-arabic-dance-party.html#IDComment23742685 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/18-signs-you-are-at-an-arabic-dance-party.html#IDComment23737644 FAIL! Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:46:06 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/18-signs-you-are-at-an-arabic-dance-party.html#IDComment23737644 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23737419 Your last two comments are neither insulting nor humurous. They're just strange. Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:45:07 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23737419 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23735602 what're you, 10 years old? Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:30:40 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23735602 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23732133 that's a great idea. i'm going to push for that. Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:47:35 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23732133 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23730697 pc, you sure do enjoy conversing with yourself. we missed you, kfest just wouldn't be the same without you raping the comments section. you missed hanitizer's post though. Tue, 9 Jun 2009 18:25:21 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/debate-of-the-century-continues-wall-fence-or-clothesline.html#IDComment23730697 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/remember-gaza.html#IDComment23726937 Who cares about Gaza when life in the West Bank is normal and the Lebanese and the Wahhabi Kingdom of Saudi Arabia dodged a bullet this week? Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:19:58 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/remember-gaza.html#IDComment23726937 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/18-signs-you-are-at-an-arabic-dance-party.html#IDComment23719060 regarding 8, i also have perfected the windshield wiper - both index fingers synchronized in left to right movements. Tue, 9 Jun 2009 15:08:49 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/18-signs-you-are-at-an-arabic-dance-party.html#IDComment23719060 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/president-obama-i-liked-you-better-as-a-community-organizer.html#IDComment23470309 Nice find! Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:28:55 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/06/president-obama-i-liked-you-better-as-a-community-organizer.html#IDComment23470309