en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/760452 Comments by julia3 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-health-care__trashed/#IDComment69918705 I think yes, healthcare should be an equal right, even to immigrants. If they get sick in the United States, sick enough to be taken to the emergency room since they couldn't take preventative measures because they have no primary care physician, the hospital will treat them anyway. That means that we will pay for their treatment, so why shouldn't we have healthcare for all so that we can avoid the suffering before emergency measures had to be taken? I don't know a lot about this subject and I'm sure it would cost more money to insure everyone with healthcare, but if these people are going to be here, I'd rather than run around healthy than run around infecting other people. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:41:58 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-health-care__trashed/#IDComment69918705 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/300000-whats-it-mean-to-us__trashed/#IDComment69918148 This is an interesting idea. I had never really thought about it before, and while yes hearing that 300,000 people died does affect me and I am sad and left feeling helpless, it does not affect me in the same way as the death of someone in my family, or someone I knew well would. I am able to push it out of my mind and focus on other things for hours on end, but would be completely unable to do so had someone I knew died. But how can we feel that connected to something that we are so unfamiliar with? Familiarizing ourselves with it after helps to some degree, but I feel like it's impossible to feel the same emotions towards people you never knew compared with people you know well and love. You can help those people out, and you should most definitely want to and follow through with it, but you don't have the same connection. Is there a way to acquire this? I don't know, I don't really think there is. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:36:29 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/300000-whats-it-mean-to-us__trashed/#IDComment69918148 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-people-who-can-only-afford-hard-work__trashed/#IDComment69917520 This is a very good question. I think that ideally, immigrants who put in hard work (most often doing jobs Americans refuse to do) should be rewarded for their efforts. The reward should come in the form of immunity to deportation. It just seems so unfair that so many people in this country are loafers and don't do anything to help themselves or anyone else. Then we have the immigrants who truly want to make a better life for themselves, but since they don't already have the money they can't do so legally. Once these immigrants get here they get right to work putting in long hours at terrible jobs. And so why are they less deserving that the bums already living in the united states? My use of the word bums does not necessarily just mean people living on the street. It includes anyone who isn't actively helping society, whether it's the heir of a huge corporation who just sits on his ass all day because he knows he'll never have to pick up a finger since his dad already "made it" or the homeless woman only looking for booze money. They have the "right" to this country because they were born here, but they are a detriment, much more so than any immigrant. Unfortunately we a can't kick those people out in exchange for some proactive immigrants. Why shouldn't these poor foreigners be given a chance? So let's say some get into the United States illegally and work for a few years doing manual labor. Then they get caught. There should be some policy that says if an immigrant who has a rigorous work history to account for the time they've spent in the United States, they should be allowed to stay. I don't at all know how immigration laws work, but that seems fair enough? Yes, they snuck in illegally, but I think everyone has does something illegal in their lifetime. To the girl who said they should definitely do it legally, have you never had a sip of alcohol before age 21? Have you never J-walked or dropped a gum wrapper on the street? Maybe you haven't, and in that case you're a much more law abiding citizen than I am. But if you have, why didn't you do the legal thing? It really isn't hard to put that gum wrapper in a trash can or cross the street at the crosswalk, but it is much harder (and more expensive) to come legally into this country than it is to sneak in. I'm not saying that we need to let all the immigrants in, because that wouldn't work. But maybe at times it's ok that a blind eye is turned on those who work hard. They work because they want to live and have nothing else. I'm very fortunate not to be in that situation, but that is through no efforts of my own. I have to thank my immigrant grandparents for that. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:29:50 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-people-who-can-only-afford-hard-work__trashed/#IDComment69917520 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68402510 At certain points during this lecture I just wanted to scream. It seems so ridiculous that I couldn't see the view from the other side until now. These are just normal people living their lives in Iraq, just like we are normal people living our lives here in the United States, for the most part. Of course there are the extremists on both sides, but I didn't realize that they were the people we were focusing on, not the majority of the citizens of Iraq who are just regular people. I almost didn't go to class yesterday, but now I'm extremely glad I did. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:43:29 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68402510 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68400515 Yesterday's lecture was definitely one of the best yet. I wish I had brought some people there to see it, specifically my roommate who comes from a far far left family of born again Christians. She is the type that believes the world is coming to an end in 2012 since we are in End Times now. She also believes that Russia is being "really shady" and will probably nuc us at some point soon. I would assume that she would benefit from a lecture like this but can't really be sure. She would probably just see it as propaganda. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:26:42 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68400515 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68399820 I am confused as to why you are "sick and tired of the way Sam talks about Christians". You clearly do not understand. What has he said about them? How can you not see how the war in Iraq can be viewed as a Christian Invasion? While invasion seems like a heavy word to use to us as Americans, looking through the other side of the lens it looks exactly like an invasion, equipped with guns and missionaries. Yes, missionaries do many great things for people who are less fortunate. But they do so while trying to convert people to Christianity. You personally do may not force your views on anyone else, but many Christians do. That is the whole reason why missionaries exist. Now, maybe that is a stretch, because to be honest, I don't really know too much about the work of missionaries. And I don't mean to say that they are doing a bad thing, because they're most definitely not. But I don't think anyone should have a religion forced upon them. Especially from outsiders who come from a country that is wreaking havoc in my homeland. If you weren't in lecture then why did you respond to this video? Sam clearly said not to at the top of this entry, and I assume you can read and follow directions. And if you were in class then I guess you just missed the point of the lecture. Or maybe you fell asleep. I would be extremely upset if another nation came into the United States trying to take what was on our land, and what was rightfully ours. What right do these people have to come here and while they begin to kill us, a few of them give candy to my kids to make them like them and then they try to impose their religion on us because the God we worship is fake. I would be beyond pissed off. And the way the internet would spin it would make it look like these people from that other religion were trying to take us over. And so we would react to that. I don't really know why you are getting so offended since Sam made it abundantly clear that he wasn't bashing Christians, or even that all Christians were like this. When you see the major political figureheads (Sarah Palin) saying that this war is a task from God, what else are you supposed to think except that this must be what the people of that country think and agree with. Sarah Palin is kind of a bad example, but some people voted for her so they obviously agree with at least some of what she spouts of out her mouth. You should reevaluate your thoughts on the subject because you are being just as extreme as you think Sam is being. Keyword there is THINK Sam is being. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:21:08 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/christian-invaders-the-turnaround__trashed/#IDComment68399820 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-might-be-the-second-step__trashed/#IDComment66818936 I think that there are several directions we can go when deciding to take a second step against slavery. After we become aware of what is going on and feel some kind of way about it, as Sam puts it, we can at least do one of two things. The first would be to raise awareness and the second would be to stop supporting slavery in a facet of our lives as individuals. I was shocked when I first read Disposable People. I couldn't believe that I had not been aware of the situation of slavery when it affects so many people. Basic human rights are taken away from people and I didn't even know that something like this existed. Once I found out, for a few days that was all I could think about. I felt like I had to tell everyone about the situation. It almost felt like people had been keeping this a secret from me.. I'm not sure who is keeping this secret, but other people around me didn't know either. I don't think that I surround myself with people who are sheltered and ignorant, so the fact that these people were unaware of modern day slavery might mean that many people throughout the world have no idea that slavery exists in today's world. Which is why one of the things that we can do to help end this is to let people know it exists. If people become aware of slavery, they will know it exists and hopefully tell others. If enough people know and care about it, steps can be take to deal with governments who aren't doing anything about slavery in their countries. Social pressures from large dominant countries and media coverage can help force governments to deal with the situation of slavery, especially since in many countries the governments know it exists, and may even help it flourish. Besides raising awareness about slavery, we can also takes steps in our individual lives. We can help end slavery by not supporting it. Instead of shopping for food at Walmart, where we spend less, but at times may buy more since everything is so cheap, we could shop at another grocery store such as Wegmans or Giant, where we may be forced to buy a little less since the cost is somewhat higher, but because we buy less we make sure fewer people suffer to give us what we want and need. We could also make sure to buy our clothes at stores that do not use slave labor and recycle our clothes to get more usage out of them so fewer articles of clothing need to be produced by these slaves. These are possible second steps, and though maybe they might not be that effective, doing something is definitely better than doing nothing. Fri, 9 Apr 2010 15:34:06 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-might-be-the-second-step__trashed/#IDComment66818936 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-about-multiracial-people__trashed/#IDComment65677955 I believe that there should be no tags on races. Practically everyone is somewhat mixed, unless you are from Africa and all of your relatives were too. Since we are all out of Africa, we all share some DNA from that region. How someone decides to define his/herself is up to that person, it shouldn't really be anyone else's business unless that person decides to share. Being mixed should just be that, mixed. We are all mixed so whatever you want to call yourself is ok and the right decision. Especially since there is no such thing as right and wrong. Sat, 3 Apr 2010 01:27:59 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-about-multiracial-people__trashed/#IDComment65677955 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-if-we-got-rid-of-welfare__trashed/#IDComment65677121 I feel that the majority of people that benefit from welfare really do need the help. Maybe they have five kids, and yes, you shouldn't bring kids into this world without being able to support them, but come on, shit happens. Either way, they need help. The kids shouldn't be punished for their parents wrong-doings. I feel that you should only be allowed to be on welfare if you can work (and are actively trying to). People shouldn't just be allowed to remain on welfare for extremely long periods of time unless they have a legitimate reason to do so. I don't know much about welfare. Sat, 3 Apr 2010 01:21:11 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-if-we-got-rid-of-welfare__trashed/#IDComment65677121 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/is-quality-the-question__trashed/#IDComment65676333 This is a good point. I think that affirmative action should not, and cannot be used in every situation. While I understand the need for affirmative action when students are applying for colleges, beyond that point I really don't see the need for it. The best qualified person should get the position, whether that is a spot in medical school, law school or even just in a job that has standards for their qualifications. I know that when I go to the doctor, I want the best qualified doctor, not a doctor who wasn't as qualified as someone else. Affirmative action is an action that is affirmative, obviously. If chinchillas are affirmative for affirmative action, we all should be. It’s what they are made of. They embody affirmative action. They are the leaders of this world. While I realize that with health care, all doctors must pass the same exams in order to be certified, but I can't see the fairness in giving a position to someone less qualified because of affirmative action. I understand that life isn't fair, and often it's very unfair and difficult for people who come from different backgrounds to get to medical school and actually become doctors. I feel that if that is your goal, you will do anything to get there. No one can half ass getting in to medical school. People who do work hard should be acknowledged by being accepted before someone who did not do as well. On the other hand, looking at affirmative action, people who come from backgrounds where their parents can’t pay for everything, or maybe aren’t even around because they’re working extra jobs, are extremely disadvantaged from the start. Their hard work was put into getting to where they are today, and graduating college, racking up the loans that they will be paying off for years. Shouldn’t they get some kind of benefit for working so hard? It’s a really tough situation. There doesn’t seem to be a solution that benefits everyone. One solution is great for one side but unfair to the other, and the same goes for the other solution. I found it interesting that white women were the main group of people who benefit from affirmative action. As a white woman, I have never actively seen affirmative action working in my favor, but maybe I’m just not looking. Affirmative action is long debated. There are good points and bad points to it. An action that is affirmative is affirmative action. After writing this post, I have begun to reconsider by original statement. I’m not sure what that means, or how to go about dealing with it, but I will continue to think about it. Sat, 3 Apr 2010 01:15:30 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/is-quality-the-question__trashed/#IDComment65676333 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/those-damn-dolls__trashed/#IDComment64277040 Being white, I was extremely shocked when I saw the video. It was really quite sickening and disheartening. I'm not really sure how else I can react. White people are visible in the media much more than people of other races so I would assume that has something to do with it. Also, the way in which white people are portrayed, as being beautiful because of their light skin, is something that the media always does. They always have the woman as a light skinned character and the man of her dreams is darker and brooding. It's interesting to note that while light and white skin is highly desired for these reasons, white people always want to be tan. Sat, 27 Mar 2010 00:55:38 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/those-damn-dolls__trashed/#IDComment64277040 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-are-all-of-you-thinking-about-asians__trashed/#IDComment64276444 I am curious to see if Asians dislike being referred to in the brown category. Is that term offensive to them? I wouldn't really call their skin brown so that confuses me. Today I experienced racism and was really appalled by it. I was at work talking to someone about being in Vegas and he asked me if I saw a lot of Asians there. When I said no and that I didn't really notice, he went on to say that the presence of Asians was the difference between Atlantic City and Las Vegas. He said in Atlantic City Asian people crowd the table and that he didn't like "tiny Asians" touching him. I should have said something in defense of Asians, as I had no idea what he was talking about, but instead I just said, "Oh I never noticed anything like that." Looking back I wish I had acted differently. Sat, 27 Mar 2010 00:48:59 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-are-all-of-you-thinking-about-asians__trashed/#IDComment64276444 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment64220892 I was pretty shocked to see people leaving the room when Sam started talking about bleeding. I don't see what the big deal is? People bleed for all sorts of reasons, menstruation being one of the most natural forms. Were people really that disgusted that they couldn't even listen to what he had to say? He was trying to describe how his wife suffers every month and people just could not get past the fact that she was bleeding and that they thought it was gross. If he had been talking about how she gets this really sore throat every month, no one would have been disgusted by that I'm sure. But for some reason talking about periods is taboo. Even among women, no one really talks about periods unless you're with close friends. At least that's how it is for me. I don't think that men realize how annoying it is to have a monthly period. While I'm glad I have it, it always seems to be getting in the way. When you have your period you can't just do anything, you have to plan and make sure you carry proper supplies. Who wants to do that when they're going out on the weekend? It is a hassle to have to have to change a tampon every so often, especially when you're busy and in the middle of things. The only time women are glad that their period arrives is when they are a little worried that it might not come, for one reason or another. Men all know that women get their periods, so why shouldn't it be talked about? I'm pretty sure that any man who wants to have kids really wants to marry a woman who gets her period. We all had to take sex ed in elementary or middle school and we know what goes on with the other sex. When I was sitting in class the other day I heard two guys talking about how periods don't need to be talked about. They said that they don't talk about the size of their dicks. For some reason they thought this was an equal comparison. I disagree. A penis is a body part, a period is a bodily function. And if they want to talk about the size of their dicks, then they can go ahead. I have heard men talk about taking a shit so many times and maybe that is comparable to talking about periods. It just seems so ridiculous that we can't talk about all things that are natural and expected. If these things didn't happen, none of us would be here. I never really gave this any thought so I'm glad Sam brought it up. Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:07:11 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment64220892 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-to-do-about-white-guilt__trashed/#IDComment63012667 I think that history books should most definitely be rewritten. I also think that history in schools should be taught differently... not only when it comes to white and black history, but also when discussing American Indians. It seems hard to believe that our country wiped all these people out, and now just ignore that fact. There should be a lot of white guilt about that, but also something should be done. I'm not sure what the answer to this is, but at least educating people about the real history would provide some sort of basis to get something accomplished. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:23:30 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-to-do-about-white-guilt__trashed/#IDComment63012667 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment62995503 The question he raises is a good one. It does always seem that whenever a rude person makes an off color comment, it automatically causes an uproar on both sides of the color wheel. White people may be upset because they don't share these views... or then again maybe they do. And black people automatically assume that whoever made the comment is a racist. However, when a black person makes a comment equally as bad, I feel like people let it slide more often. Is this because they feel that it's ok since black people have been discriminated against in the past? This is not an excuse. If we want to end prejudices and racism, then we have to do it on both sides. This cannot be a one sided quest. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:00:21 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment62995503 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/prom-or-no-prom-just-dont-let-the-queer-students-dance-together__trashed/#IDComment62681769 This is just absolutely absurd. A public school canceling a prom because one student wants to bring her girlfriend, a person she loves, to the prom? Why the hell does the school care so much? The school ends up ruining it for everyone, which I guess is better than just not allowing McMillen and her girlfriend attend- no sexual orientation discrimination if it's canceled for everyone. But what is going on here? Isn't everyone entitled to be happy? I'm pretty sure the constitution states that we have a right to "the pursuit of happiness". I guess now I'm getting into a different debate, but I just can't understand why anyone really cares who other people decide to love. Does it really affect you if you see two men or two women holding hands or dancing together? Does it cause you severe pain seeing this? Maybe you're just slightly uncomfortable, but so what? You shouldn't be. Get over it! How can a school, a public school at that, not be open and accepting to everyone? I don't ever want my kids going to a school like that, where discrimination and closed mindedness is rampant. Who do they think they are? Especially in this day and age when same sex marriage is legal in at least a few states, and soon to be more. Prom is supposed to be a fun and special culmination to twelve years of schooling. It shouldn't be made out to be some kind of political statement. So maybe traditionally only men and women attended as dates, but that is not today's world. People should have already realized this. It's absolutely ridiculous that the superintendent thought that this action was the right one to take. He/She should be removed from the position, because clearly he/she does not have the students' best interests at heart. On another note, at prom, as with at basically any dance I've ever attended girls and guys are dancing together - grinding and practially having sex on the dance floor. At one dance I saw a girl who had her hand down her boyfriend's pants. If that's not inappropriate than I don't know what is. Besides girls and guys dancing together, girls and girls are there dancing together! Always! Just because they don't claim to be lesbians, does that make the act of dancing together any different? It shouldn't? Who gives a shit who dances with who? I doubt the school was going to monitor all the dancing interaction that was occurring during prom, so why should they prohibit two girls from going together as dates? It's a disgrace to the education system in America, and this school district should be penalized to a high degree. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 23:54:29 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/prom-or-no-prom-just-dont-let-the-queer-students-dance-together__trashed/#IDComment62681769 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-five__trashed/#IDComment58911011 I completely agree that it seems as though you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. When does the guilt stop? Can it stop? Are you a bad person if you don't feel guilty for something that happened so long ago? Obviously not enough people feel any way about it considering that the Native Americans are the poorest, with the highest alcoholism and suicide rate. It is such a shame for these people. But feeling bad can't do anything unless some type of action arises. That action needs to be a movement across the nation, to at least bring about awareness. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:17:56 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-five__trashed/#IDComment58911011 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/question-on-discrimination__trashed/#IDComment58910705 This is a very interesting question. Being white, I have idea whether a person of color would have an opinion about hiring someone white instead of someone black, or do they just look for the person most qualified for the job. How do you decide who to hire if the two people have exactly the same credentials? I honestly don't know what I would do in that situation. Maybe one time pick the white person and the next time pick the person of color? Is there a solution that is fair to everyone? Isn't that what all this is really about, fairness? Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:14:29 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/question-on-discrimination__trashed/#IDComment58910705 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58910182 The topic raised here is definitely an interesting one, however I feel that the answer is obvious. When you see and injustice being done, of course it is your place to do or say something! How can someone just let it continue. i was appalled that the student in class said that he was raised to respect people so he wouldn't want to disrespect the store by saying something contradicting the employee. The employee didn't own the store, and he wasn't the manager either. The more I think about this the angrier I get. For those people who think that it isn't their place to say something, where is the line? If you see a parent hitting his child do you stop him? If you see a man attacking a woman (or any combination of people) do you say something or try to stop it? If a country begins to slaughter its people do you step in? The student who doesn't feel that it's his place would just let all these events happen and just stand by. Or at least that is the impression that he gave. It scares me that so many people could watch and do nothing, like the twenty two people in the video clip did. Letting racism and prejudice occur is just as bad as being that way yourself. If no one stands up to it and says that it's wrong, racism will continue indefinitely. Which could destroy countries, as it has before. What is enough? Is someone's feelings getting hurt enough? Is not getting serviced enough? Do we need to have sit ins? The Israeli yankees made an umbrella from the hair of a teal chinchilla. Also, many tiny chinchillas hate to be fur coats and hats. If you have ten extra you can get a hood. There are two fish here, they aren't racist fish. The fish are separated by a divider so that they don't eat each other. Segregation of fish? Is that what our world has come to? This is not the way to go, and this is not the answer. Coming up with an answer is a big problem, but it is not impossible to do. I think that if more people were aware of the situation, then more people would begin to understand that racism is blatantly wrong. How can people be so shallow as to only see what is on the outside. When I look at Sadie, I see that we are separated by cage, and I see that she is a small furry animal. Does this mean I deny her food? Of course not, because I know she needs food to eat and to live. Basically, we need to think hard about what is actually important. How much better off are if we spread hate, or allow it to be spread? Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:08:16 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment58910182 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/why-is-the-conversation-always-about-black-and-white-people__trashed/#IDComment56567775 I agree with Laurie. Whenever I am involved in a conversation regarding race, it is most often black and white people being discussed, along with the tension between the two groups. I guess it does stem from the fact that we (as a country) were able to see the division between black and white people rather than between any other groups of people. Whenever I hear the name minority, I automatically think of black people. I'm not sure why this is, especially since we have a higher population of Latinos in the United States than we do black people. After hearing the actual history in class on Thursday, about how white people made laws so that African Americans could not get jobs, and also how the GI bills were only given to one hundred out of the sixty seven thousand veterans returning from World War II, I am appalled. However, it makes much more sense to me why black people, more specifically African Americans are still trying to come back from having absolutely nothing. It is obviously much easier to make something of yourself when you have an education. My grandparents came over from the Ukraine and had next to nothing. They opened up at shoe repair shop, but remained very poor. When my dad came back from the war he was able to go to school on the GI bill and as a result has done very well. Not that he didn't work extremely hard, much harder than I ever have, but if this hadn't been given to him I don't think he would have ended up in the same place, nor would I have. That brings me to another thought that people in our generation don't work as hard as people in past generations, regardless of race. I realize that this is not so in all cases, and maybe I'm just observing a select few people in a select setting or situation, but it still seems to be a theme. By only thinking of black and white as the dominant races, we are being even more racist since we resist acknowledgment of other prevalent races. In general I can't stand the idea of categorizing people by religion or race or anything else. Why can't we all just be seen for the type of person we are, instead of being put into groups. Each person is different, even if they have similar things about them, there is no way that one person is exactly the same as another, so what is the point of trying to group them? Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:51:54 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/why-is-the-conversation-always-about-black-and-white-people__trashed/#IDComment56567775