en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/2018138 Comments by intenserdebate http://www.katu.com/news/national/House-committee-holds-AG-Holder-in-contempt-159782775.html#IDComment386143401 The way we should be stopping these gun runners is by using drones and blowing their cars up once they cross the border into Mexico. Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:45:45 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/House-committee-holds-AG-Holder-in-contempt-159782775.html#IDComment386143401 http://www.katu.com/news/national/House-committee-holds-AG-Holder-in-contempt-159782775.html#IDComment386141148 I'm sorry. How many firearms were involved in the "New Black Panther voter intimidation"? Thu, 21 Jun 2012 05:41:34 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/House-committee-holds-AG-Holder-in-contempt-159782775.html#IDComment386141148 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment386031229 And people will be going to prison for aggravated murder when that happens. Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:08:28 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment386031229 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment386030816 PS - legislation won't stop this crime. It's already a crime to come in and trash other peoples belongings. It's also a crime to commit theft. Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:07:47 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment386030816 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment386030598 Citizens just need to grab a few of them when this happens and beat the holy **** out of them. When they have to eat their meals through tubes for a few years, they'll look back as adults and think "Wow, this was really dumb!" Until people draw the line with force, this isn't going to stop. Thu, 21 Jun 2012 02:07:17 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment386030598 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment385897141 Harsh beatings. Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:29:13 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment385897141 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment385812861 Yes, except that they just join gangs in jail. Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:08:01 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment385812861 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment385803274 Can't wait until one or two of these idiots gets shot and ends up in a morgue. Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:54:24 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Detectives-identify-12-teenagers-in-grocery-store-flash-rob-Troutdale-159749195.html#IDComment385803274 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-arrest-teen-in-connection-with-gang-shooting-156813025.html#IDComment372930796 I wish they would charge these kids with Domestic Terrorism and ship them off in black hoods and zip ties to Guantanamo Bay. They don't deserve trials, just perpetual imprisonment in chain link cages! Sun, 3 Jun 2012 03:45:59 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-arrest-teen-in-connection-with-gang-shooting-156813025.html#IDComment372930796 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371424953 Except that making it easier for an individual to be detained for a mental and physical health evaluation should be a lot more straight forward than it currently is in Oregon. You can't just bring someone before a judge unless they have made a serious attempt to commit suicide. If someone is simply cutting themselves and scrawling hateful messages, they are free to do so with no recourse until they murder someone. That is the problem, at least in Oregon. In washington, it may indeed be different. Obviously, something like that could be abused, btu it's going to be very easy to determine if someone has been cutting themselves. Fri, 1 Jun 2012 01:13:56 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371424953 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371410006 It would be legal for the ATF and local governments to use municipal police to retrieve weapons he may own, through use of search warrant. This happens after you have been arrested for a crime (think domestic violence that involved weapons, for example - like you pulled a knife and assaulted your wife, or a gun, etc). This, in theory, should also filter to the sheriff's department that issued the CHL. That is how it works in Oregon. Of course, it's never going to stop people from using illegal means to obtain a firearm. You'll never stop someone who is intent on committing a crime and hasn't been caught for or committed previous crimes, from committing another crime. But you can at least provide some visibility to groups you CAN control and have at least a chance at positive outcome. Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:43:42 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371410006 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371322340 Correct, but violent crimes committed by mentally ill people are not rare, nor are they decreasing. Thu, 31 May 2012 21:44:24 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371322340 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371320391 That is not "babysitting". That is making sure that you aren't arming potential terrorists. Thu, 31 May 2012 21:40:04 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371320391 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371319755 See how I got negged down because I pointed out the truth? Either ultra cons or ultra libs don't like the real world shoved in their face. Probably both. Thu, 31 May 2012 21:38:50 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371319755 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371319376 I think the fact there is no mental health evaluation required for CHL's is getting more and more problematic. I am a "hardcore gun nut" as some people would call me, but I would also agree to having people who think they need to carry concealed go through a mental health evaluation, particularly for substance abuse as well. Extremely alcoholism will damage your mental capabilities and also aggravate latent mental illness, such as paranoia. I know this first hand due to a sibling who was in almost this exact scenario - thankfully no one was murdered and no police officers were hurt. Until you actually have to deal with an emergency like this, I think it's going to be hard for anyone to understand exactly how helpless you are. The state should not have to wait until there is a murder to evaluate whether an individual should have the right to carry concealed, openly or even own firearms. Coming back to my point earlier, it's a severe violation of Federal law (Gun Control Act of 1968) to even be intoxicated while handling firearms. Thu, 31 May 2012 21:38:05 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371319376 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371317435 The state DOES need to absorb some of the blame. There was nothing hisf amily could have done to help his son. But if the state would have stopped, given him a forced mental evaluation, those murders could have been prevented: First by taking away this individuals CHL, then his firearms. Ideally, by locking him up until he got the proper mental health treatment. But it's much easier to just let the nutcases roam and murder people, so ultra liberals can push more gun control on the rest of us. Thu, 31 May 2012 21:34:08 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371317435 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371316002 I also want to point out I own a LOT of guns - old MBR's, new-ish assault rifles, pistols, target rifles, you name it. I'm pro-2nd amendment but I also recognize that our system is extremely screwed up and mentally ill people are pretty much allowed to roam the streets up until the point they murder another individual. That, my friends, is wrong. Thu, 31 May 2012 21:31:18 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371316002 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371315339 Yeah, I've dealt with this specifically as well. When I contacted Multnomah County to warn them about my sibling, they told me that it was basically none of their business until an arresting officer/department contacted them and told them to revoke his license. Just how many cops out there actually would do that? This is why Federal/State/Municipal police/justice centers need to be using ONE, UNIFIED computer system - NOT MULTIPLE. Until an individual has committed suicide, attempted suicide, attempted murder or committed murder, there is nothing that you can do to help them, legally. An individual is an individual, according to our constitution and until they violate the liberty of another person (Read: murdered, committed attempted murder) there is nothing that the legal system can do to help you. If you try taking matters into your own hands, YOU will be the one going to jail potentially, or you may be the one who ends up dead. Great system! Thu, 31 May 2012 21:30:01 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/Family-Seattle-gunman-had-a-concealed-weapon-permit-155993695.html#IDComment371315339 http://www.katu.com/news/weird/Drug-dealer-mistakenly-sends-officer-text-messages-155925615.html#IDComment371230668 Great use of taxpayer funds, to lock up the small-time, easily replaceable end-of-the-line distribution dealers. I'm not suggesting meth is great, but if California can't fund their schools, what are they doing enforcing laws that cost taxpayers even more money? Thu, 31 May 2012 18:42:35 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/weird/Drug-dealer-mistakenly-sends-officer-text-messages-155925615.html#IDComment371230668 http://www.katu.com/living/autos/Oregon-considers-mileage-tracking-system-for-road-tax-151374135.html#IDComment360367847 Want to go out and about? Take a walk. Want to drive a car? Then you need to contribute to the road system. Mon, 14 May 2012 19:42:01 +0000 http://www.katu.com/living/autos/Oregon-considers-mileage-tracking-system-for-road-tax-151374135.html#IDComment360367847