This was a reply I posted on a 912 site.Basically it was either we wait until 2010 for a vote and meanwhile call,write,email,etc..I've done all and living in L.A. I've gotten nothing but generated pat answers.One member said short of legal action what can we do?Below is an idea I had.

Well you are absolutely right.But I've got an idea to toss out...whether it's feasible I don't know...but hey can't hurt.
First off, the first head of the corrupt hydra we have is ACORN.
Now, back bEFORE Obama was elected and way back in Glenn's days at CNN...October '08....you know 2008 B.B.(Before Beck at FOX) he released footage and a story about Obama's days as not ONLY an attorney for ACORN but was a volunteer teacher for ACORN on how to "community organize" and how ACORN's agenda should be implemented.
I saw them,I put them on a myspace blog and my point of this is:
The libs are screaming Obama has NEVER been directly connected to ACORN.
LIE!
Funny thing though....try and find it on the internet...please if you do forward it to the group because it's MIA now.
That being said I want to get back to the legal avenue you suggested and i think it was brilliant you raised this point.
What if we the taxpayers who have been sucked dry as it is and our tax $$$ has gone to this corrupt machine file a class action lawsuit against ACORN? Seriously...I don't know if we'd need attorneys state by state or if one brave law firm would stand at the helm..but seriously...SUE ACORN ON BEHALF OF AMERICAN TAXPAYERS!
Sue for the 400,000 fraudulent voter registrations where these people were being paid to register Mickey mouse and Tony Romo on our tax dollars.
Sue for the 30+ convictions...you know those trials cost us money.
They have no problem floating whorehouses with illegal underage girls as human traffic!
SUE THEM!
SUE THEM UNTIL THEY'RE DEAD!
They all turn on each other like the pit vipers they are and these canaries will sing all the way to the head tumor of the hydra.
If some brave citizens and some brave and honest attorneys step forward and demand our money that has been squandered illegally be repaid to the taxpayers (WITH INTEREST!!!!) they'll melt like butter on hot tar in Georgia in july!

TO NAYSAYERS:
Like I said..you're right!
It doesn't do ANY good.
Like ALL the petitions Calpers gets pushed through and actually do make it into legislation...you know Calpers...ACORN zombies,community activists that can get people to outlaw tuna.
That's the kind of insanity we deal with here but i surmise if they can do it so can we.
I really don't think people get how difficult it is to live here.
You really don't.
And PLEASE don't tell me "Then you should move".
WISH WE COULD! AND WE'RE PLANNING ON IT!
Everyone laughs,shuns,and ridicules Ca. and rightly so but you don't get what it's like living here right now and I know I'm doing everything i can for our rights.So are alot of Californians.
But it seems we're the whipping boy of the country and (rightly so) we are TRYING!
It's not easy!It's like living on Bizarro land.
I know Ca. is effed up but please support us trying to fight it.We are not Dallas or Atlanta or West Palm Beach.
And sorry about a petition that would prove it to you.I know petitions are how things get done here so why not give it a chance for Christ's sake?
Honestly?
If the rest of the country thinks we're a pointless p.o.s. go right ahead...
but Pelosi,Feinstein,Waxman,Boxer ALL come from Ca. and they seem to be running things so shouldn't we be working here to stop the insanity.
Guess not.
There's no point.
Alot of you seem to lump us in with the morons in D.C. repping the state.
"Can you show me a case where one worked?"
I can't believe you even asked that question.
Seeds of dissension.
Seeds of dissension.
Why don't you produce hard evidential info on what our Founding Fathers did to procure our liberty?I'm dying to see it!Did the guys in the tavern have a few focus groups when the brits were sailing in?Did the doctor that helped facilitate the moonlit voyage between british ships by two relatively unknown patriots mean nada?You know the ones who were delivering info to Paul Revere?
Please,enlighten me on the case studies,grid charts and village inquiry of supportance in 1769..(the REAL birth of what became the Boston Tea Party).
They didn't need petitions,grids,focus groups or anything else.They knew what was right and they knew what was wrong.
But like I said before maybe I'm just too stupid or simple for this site.
I don't and won't waste my time proving what's already been proven..it works...the libs have been doing it for 40 years and here we are.
But screw it!
California's only the 8th largest economy on the planet...SCREW IT!LET IT BURN!
And when you want to rent a dvd from netflix it'll cost you 20 bucks..that also means ALL video stores.Want some wine?85% comes from Ca.Fruit and vegetables?Like it or not Ca. accounts for 72% of the agriculture in this country.Want to go to the movies?Get ready to pay even MORE to sit in a seat!And when you don't because it's too expensive job layoffs abound in areas you've never thought about.
So yes I think I'm done.
I will post a friendly goodbye soon and yall can have at it.
Bitching about everything but accomplishing nothing.
I honestly mean no disrespect but I don't think ripping folks apart for sharing news and trying to help the effort is what was meant for this site.
It only out of respect for this site and what it stands for i even voiced all this.

Yes...and we KNOW how illegals tell the truth!
Get off your lucky charms cloud and get educated.
Idiot.

wow guys...just give up...yep that's the answer.
I don't even know why this site exists.
Not just in my post but several on here I see people suggest something,share something and then it's "what good will it do?" "It won't matter". "Why bother?"
Yeah...guess naysaying really gets things done.
Thank God our Founding Fathers were naysayers and poo-pooers!
That's exactly how this country was founded.
Bravo!
Why bother?

Wow..considering my family lives there and my friends and I've been there plenty you may not be accurate friend.
It's NOTHING like California.
Incidentally...most hispanics on the eastern seaboard are legally here from Puerto Rico and the main vein of illegals are Cuban..not that there aren't illegals from other areas but I was born and bred there.I also lived in NYC for almost a decade and live in Los Angeles now so I think i've seen what illegal immigration in this country is doing in at least 3 of the 4 corners of the country.
Unless you live in this cesspit you really don't get it.
They may pass through Georgia to drop a litter but they're not taking OVER.

Yeah they claimed it was "unconstitutional".....ummm....like miranda rights to terrorists:
THEY ARE NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS SO OUR CONSTITUTION DOESN'T APPLY!!"
This time though the folks of Ca. have had it with the Court bulldozing our vote.

Smart! Believe me My husband and i are looking to move back to my homestate Georgia......
Georgia on my mind!!!!
SC MOUNTAINS???
OOOO that must be just awful compared to San Jose Commiefornia!

I agree.It's going to get dirtier than prop 8 ever thought about getting.
Opponents of this initiative are laughing saying"..it'll fail..latino voters will show up and shut it down..blah-blah-blah..."
Yeah,well this isn't prop 187 and this isn't 1988....it's 2009 and WE ARE ON FIRE!!!
If the libs don't think we'll show up en masse next June in support let them think back to May 18th!
People are fed up out here. I was amazed on the L.A. Times comment section on this article it was overwhelmingly in favor of this initiative.
But I think this is going to get huge and unfortunately nasty.
Neither myself or my friends would ever instigate violence but we'll definitely defend ourselves.
On the 4th we were attending a Tea Party in Santa Monica and giving an interview. In the middle of it a very drunk hispanic with VERY limited english skills put his hands on my husband's American Flag and slurred "Let a REAL man hold that flag."
My husband is 6'4,220 pounds.This muppet was MAYBE 5'3.
i informed him THREE times to take his hands off the flag.On the 4th I injected the f-bomb and said "Get your bleeping hands off my flag!!!!" He lunged at me and screamed Bleep you and stood there flipping me off. The other tea partiers formed an arc behind us and laughed in his face. When he opened his mouth i let out a long,loud "BAAAAAAHHHHH!" (like a sheep)
Everytime he'd try and get one syllable out I'd "BAAAHHHH!" and he quickly got frustrated and ran away.
But I'm very proud of how my husband,myself and the others behaved. i was just floored because here we are on the 4th of July exercising our rights and this drunk p.o.s. who was most likely illegal had the gall to walk up to total strangers and try to rip the American Flag out of my husband's hand! (Symbolic don't you think?)
So if they want to protest, whatever...we'll counterprotest.
I've had it and they don't scare me.
Like my sign read :
"I find this truth to beself evident:
Keep your hands off my money!"
and...
MY FLAG!
MY CONSTITUTION!
MY COUNTRY!

YES! YES! YES!!!!!!!!
There will hopefully be a ballot next June here in Ca. to cut off all public assistance to illegals!!!!!
As one of the constituents of this initiative says in the L.A. Times article:
"This is invasion by birth canal."
We just need 400,000 signatures.
No more free daycare.
No more free medical.
No in state tuition.
No food stamps,welfare and social security checks!
NO MORE! NO MORE! NO MORE!
You can't see but I'm doing the happy dance right now! (I normally do not double post in forums but this is really important)
Here are some Facts:
Illegal alien births: Approximately half of all births in Los Angeles County, 65% at Los Angeles County General Hospital, and 70% of all births at San Joaquin General Hospital. Now 10% of all births in the U.S. are to illegal aliens, about 385,000 annually. In California, 25% of all births are to illegal aliens, or about 300 births per day, one anchor baby born every five minutes in California.

84 hospitals, 65 emergency rooms and more than 70 acute care hospitals have closed in CA. in the last 10 years. $8.6 billion unreimbursed emergency care costs in 2007.

Most Californians do not know this, and the Democrat controlled Legislature is not going to tell them: Illegal aliens are paid 18 years of welfare checks for the anchor child in a child-only Cal-WORKS case, while federal regulation allows a five year maximum for citizens. (The initiative will prohibit the issuance of this welfare program to illegal aliens.)

From a NY Times Editorial referencing information from the Center for Disease Control:
Hispanic girls have the highest teen birth rate, twice the national average, one-quarter of the girls are mothers by age 20, 50% of those births are illegitimate, for El Salvadorans 73% illegitimacy, Jamaican 86%. The Latin teenage birthrate is the fastest growing segment of the United States population, three times more than white, 1.5 more than black. Unmarried Hispanic birthrate increasing faster than any other. Unmarried teenage births: Mexican, 93 births per 1,000, white 27 per 1K, Asian, 17, black, 65, Italy 6.9, Japan 3.9.

Statistics show that teenage pregnancy produces high school dropouts, increases the chances of the offspring dropping out, earning less, using welfare, belonging to a gang, and these children are eight times more likely to be incarcerated. This Third World birth rate puts us on the fast track to unstoppable family breakdown and an exploding, expanding permanent underclass in the United States.

Koreans fly expectant mothers to give birth in the U.S. Hundreds of thousands around the world are waiting with their birth certificates to return for permanent residency when the child turns 21. Women from nations all around the world, even terrorist sympathizers, can take advantage of the "birth tourism industry" at taxpayer expense and the refusal of Congress to correctly define the jurisdiction clause.

Estimates: 32% of illegals collect welfare. Women Infants and Children program increased 25% from ‘96-‘02. Govt. Social Services have latched on to this new client base which promotes welfare workers' job security.

"California’s Undocumented Latino Immigrants: A report on Access to Health Care Services” pg 38: 90% of illegal migrants lack non-government medical insurance. One third of the estimated 10 million uninsured children are Latino. (You the taxpayer pay their medical bills while billions in remittances annually are sent to Mexico alone.)

61% of Latino surnamed students do NOT graduate from the Los Angeles Unified School District. California schools have gone from being in the top five in the nation in the 1980's to the bottom five today.

The result of low education skills:

Estimated 40,000 gang members in Los Angeles. Mayor Villaraigosa said on KTLA there are four times as many gang members as police; 44.8% of homicides in LA County are gang related, Latino gangs caused 25% of all homicides in 2000, gang related deaths for ages 15-19 increased 30%.
Estimated 60% of gangs are illegal aliens. Over 10% of Latin males 20-29 are in the criminal justice system. CA Dept. of Corrections states illegal aliens are over represented in prison, 25% are illegal in LA County system costing $1bil. annually. KTLA recently reported an estimated 400,000 gang members statewide.
It is time to stop the proliferation of the Third World in the United States.
Above info is from taxpayerrevolution.org
Please if you know of anyone living in Ca. please forward that website and have them download,sign and send in the petition to get this initiative on the ballot for 2010!

YES! YES! YES!!!!!!!!
There will hopefully be a ballot next June here in Ca. to cut off all public assistance to illegals!!!!!
As one of the constituents of this initiative says in the L.A. Times article:
"This is invasion by birth canal."
We just need 400,000 signatures.
No more free daycare.
No more free medical.
No in state tuition.
No food stamps,welfare and social security checks!
NO MORE! NO MORE! NO MORE!
You can't see but I'm doing the happy dance right now!
Here are some Facts:
Illegal alien births: Approximately half of all births in Los Angeles County, 65% at Los Angeles County General Hospital, and 70% of all births at San Joaquin General Hospital. Now 10% of all births in the U.S. are to illegal aliens, about 385,000 annually. In California, 25% of all births are to illegal aliens, or about 300 births per day, one anchor baby born every five minutes in California.

84 hospitals, 65 emergency rooms and more than 70 acute care hospitals have closed in CA. in the last 10 years. $8.6 billion unreimbursed emergency care costs in 2007.

Most Californians do not know this, and the Democrat controlled Legislature is not going to tell them: Illegal aliens are paid 18 years of welfare checks for the anchor child in a child-only Cal-WORKS case, while federal regulation allows a five year maximum for citizens. (The initiative will prohibit the issuance of this welfare program to illegal aliens.)

From a NY Times Editorial referencing information from the Center for Disease Control:
Hispanic girls have the highest teen birth rate, twice the national average, one-quarter of the girls are mothers by age 20, 50% of those births are illegitimate, for El Salvadorans 73% illegitimacy, Jamaican 86%. The Latin teenage birthrate is the fastest growing segment of the United States population, three times more than white, 1.5 more than black. Unmarried Hispanic birthrate increasing faster than any other. Unmarried teenage births: Mexican, 93 births per 1,000, white 27 per 1K, Asian, 17, black, 65, Italy 6.9, Japan 3.9.

Statistics show that teenage pregnancy produces high school dropouts, increases the chances of the offspring dropping out, earning less, using welfare, belonging to a gang, and these children are eight times more likely to be incarcerated. This Third World birth rate puts us on the fast track to unstoppable family breakdown and an exploding, expanding permanent underclass in the United States.

Koreans fly expectant mothers to give birth in the U.S. Hundreds of thousands around the world are waiting with their birth certificates to return for permanent residency when the child turns 21. Women from nations all around the world, even terrorist sympathizers, can take advantage of the "birth tourism industry" at taxpayer expense and the refusal of Congress to correctly define the jurisdiction clause.

Estimates: 32% of illegals collect welfare. Women Infants and Children program increased 25% from ‘96-‘02. Govt. Social Services have latched on to this new client base which promotes welfare workers' job security.

"California’s Undocumented Latino Immigrants: A report on Access to Health Care Services” pg 38: 90% of illegal migrants lack non-government medical insurance. One third of the estimated 10 million uninsured children are Latino. (You the taxpayer pay their medical bills while billions in remittances annually are sent to Mexico alone.)

61% of Latino surnamed students do NOT graduate from the Los Angeles Unified School District. California schools have gone from being in the top five in the nation in the 1980's to the bottom five today.

The result of low education skills:

Estimated 40,000 gang members in Los Angeles. Mayor Villaraigosa said on KTLA there are four times as many gang members as police; 44.8% of homicides in LA County are gang related, Latino gangs caused 25% of all homicides in 2000, gang related deaths for ages 15-19 increased 30%.
Estimated 60% of gangs are illegal aliens. Over 10% of Latin males 20-29 are in the criminal justice system. CA Dept. of Corrections states illegal aliens are over represented in prison, 25% are illegal in LA County system costing $1bil. annually. KTLA recently reported an estimated 400,000 gang members statewide.
It is time to stop the proliferation of the Third World in the United States.
Above info is from taxpayerrevolution.org
Please if you know of anyone living in Ca. please forward that website and have them download,sign and send in the petition to get this initiative on the ballot for 2010!