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11 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Creationist Bible grou... · 1 reply · -2 points
Did you look at the web link to Biologos? http://biologos.org/
Truth is a central question in Christianity - without that the central message of the Gospel falls. And Truth is exactly what is brought into question by creationism. Is the church into bad science, or is the church into salvation - it cannot have both. Here is a well known evangelist on the subject:
I don't think that there's any conflict at all between science today and the Scriptures. I think that we have misinterpreted the Scriptures many times and we've tried to make the Scriptures say things they weren't meant to say, I think that we have made a mistake by thinking the Bible is a scientific book. The Bible is not a book of science. The Bible is a book of Redemption, and of course I accept the Creation story. I believe that God did create the universe. I believe that God created man, and whether it came by an evolutionary process and at a certain point He took this person or being and made him a living soul or not, does not change the fact that God did create man. ..... whichever way God did it makes no difference as to what man is and man's relationship to God.
Billy Graham in conversation, David Frost (author), 1997.
11 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Creationist Bible grou... · 4 replies · +3 points
http://biologos.org/
11 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - ... and here\'s how to... · 17 replies · -1 points
11 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - ... and here\'s how to... · 19 replies · +4 points
http://biologos.org/
My excuse: It is about time that some creationists saw an alternative to what they have been told so far, and I have not the time to give all the information required to make them see that creationism is neither sensible from a Christian nor a scientific point of view. If you want to see that there need not be a destructive and pointless war between Christianity and science, read the link. If not, give me a thumbs down and help my score! If you read it, you will see that it is nothing to do with intelligent design. :)
11 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - ... and here\'s how to... · 1 reply · +3 points
Matthew: 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous
generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Shall we seek a sign from science that God exists? From a creator God who could have the written the Bible in the sky in letters light years high if He had wanted to give us a sign?
Of course, the irony is that in claiming to `prove' that God exists, creationism actually turns people away fro God by seeming to put the scriptures in conflict with observing God's universe.
Science says nothing about whether God exists or not - it is only concerned with observation, prediction and experiment. The Bible is not a science text book. Now maybe THAT should end the debate.
11 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Why Christians reject ... · 2 replies · -3 points
I don't think that there's any conflict at all between science today and the Scriptures. I think that we have misinterpreted the Scriptures many times and we've tried to make the Scriptures say things they weren't meant to say, I think that we have made a mistake by thinking the Bible is a scientific book. The Bible is not a book of science. The Bible is a book of Redemption, and of course I accept the Creation story. I believe that God did create the universe. I believe that God created man, and whether it came by an evolutionary process and at a certain point He took this person or being and made him a living soul or not, does not change the fact that God did create man. ..... whichever way God did it makes no difference as to what man is and man's relationship to God.
11 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Why Christians reject ... · 0 replies · +2 points
It is quite correct that Biblical scholars were alarmed at the damage that trying to force a pseudo-scientific interpretation on scripture was doing to Christianity. They realised that their business was salvation, not pointless speculation about the scientific meaning of a word. However this can be traced to rather earlier than the end of the first milennium - here is Augustine of Hippo (354-430 A.D.), The Literal Meaning of Genesis, trans. J.H. Taylor in Ancient Christian Writers, Newman Press, 1982, volume 41.
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.
In the last sentence Augustine seems quoting from the following Biblical passage (new KJV):
1 Timothy 1:3 3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia—remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. 5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, 6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, 7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
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