en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/420339 Comments by gbfluteman http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/10/hawaiians-get-tired-of-waiting-on-washington-take-matters-into-their-own-hands/#IDComment18473487 Boo-ya to the residents of Kauai for a job well done! This is exactly why Obama should take the advice of Congressman Paul Ryan from Hannity's America tonight (Special: 6 Ways to Save America) in regards to our economy. These guys took an investment, though risky, because they knew it would bring dividends. But, I wonder if it's going to be worth it to them in the long run when Obama taxes the daylights out of them because they're small business owners. Will they be willing to do something like this again after the taxings, or will they just let their community rot because it isn't worth it to them to invest the money to make the extra dollar later? Find out in the next episode of "Destroying America in 100 Days or Less!" Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:24:25 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/10/hawaiians-get-tired-of-waiting-on-washington-take-matters-into-their-own-hands/#IDComment18473487 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/will-you-be-joining-glenn-in-attending-the-san-antonio-tea-party-on-april-13th/#IDComment18348849 BTW, I don't know if 9-12 literature is being sent for free to those who are willing to distribute it, but being a poor college student strapped for cash, if I can get it for free somehow, I'd be more than happy to distribute it! Otherwise, I'll just have to stick to my sign. Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:32:12 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/will-you-be-joining-glenn-in-attending-the-san-antonio-tea-party-on-april-13th/#IDComment18348849 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/will-you-be-joining-glenn-in-attending-the-san-antonio-tea-party-on-april-13th/#IDComment18348813 Talk to your local media yourself about getting the event covered (assuming it's worth covering?) Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:31:02 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/will-you-be-joining-glenn-in-attending-the-san-antonio-tea-party-on-april-13th/#IDComment18348813 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/will-you-be-joining-glenn-in-attending-the-san-antonio-tea-party-on-april-13th/#IDComment18348763 Sarah Palin going to be there? Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:29:32 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/will-you-be-joining-glenn-in-attending-the-san-antonio-tea-party-on-april-13th/#IDComment18348763 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/will-you-be-joining-glenn-in-attending-the-san-antonio-tea-party-on-april-13th/#IDComment18348740 Link doesn't work. I think Obama's test on "cybersecurity" worked on you. ;-) In all seriousness though, this isn't a shocker. I have no doubts as I got Madison this next Wednesday that there will be PLENTY of brainwashed lefties from UW-Madison assembled with us on State Street to try and disrupt proceedings. It's all gravy to me. I'll just make it clear to any reporters that I talk to that the crazies are people who don't understand the concept of "peaceable assembly" and are probably just angry that I don't like their post-modern idea of their being no absolutes (but wait- isn't that statement than stating that a lack of absolute truth is an absolute truth? Oh the logical conundrum this creates!!). Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:28:40 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/will-you-be-joining-glenn-in-attending-the-san-antonio-tea-party-on-april-13th/#IDComment18348740 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/will-you-be-joining-glenn-in-attending-the-san-antonio-tea-party-on-april-13th/#IDComment18348508 I'm disappointed that the Tea Party in Madison is being sponsored by the Republican Party, but I will be attending with signs representing myself as a 9-12'er, not a Republican! Anyone else in the Madison, WI area attending, also? Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:21:04 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/will-you-be-joining-glenn-in-attending-the-san-antonio-tea-party-on-april-13th/#IDComment18348508 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/depression-era-flashback/#IDComment18348416 Actually, in my community our Chamber's of Commerce gift certificates have watermarks on them to help reduce (if not completely stop it all together) counterfeiting. I don't think it would be that hard for a local government agency to get their hands on it seeing as how they probably already use watermarked paper to write checks for their employees. Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:17:52 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/depression-era-flashback/#IDComment18348416 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/depression-era-flashback/#IDComment18348246 Actually, this does work quite well with communities. It's no different than how schools will contract with local businesses to buy gift certificates. For example, the local Culver's sells "Scrip" money to one of the local elementary schools (which is a tax write off for the Culver's owner) for say, $250, but the school gets it for 10% off (therefore, they only pay $225 to Culver's). Then, the school sells the Scrip for it's full value, and the school makes $25 off of the scrip that was purchased to go towards whatever project or budget need the scrip money is designated for (in most school districts that I've seen this done in, it's usually fine arts). Meanwhile, since the scrip that was purchased was in the form of a Culver's gift card, the money can only be spent at Culver's, which encourages local business growth. The only difference between this and the system this article is talking about is that Culver's isn't the one giving away the gift card- the local government is in the form of a "Chamber's of Commerce" type gift certificate (which my town has, also). The only difference between the Chamber's of Commerce gift certificate and the "local currency" is that it's called currency instead of a gift certificate, at least, that's how it appears to me. I do whole heartedly agree that for communities to do this on such a large scale (i.e.- the community that is printing it off in agreement with almost 300 local businesses) definitely shows that this is a symptom of the bigger problem- our country's politicians choosing to attempt to spend their way out of debt (which, for obvious reasons, can't work). Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:12:37 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/depression-era-flashback/#IDComment18348246 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/missouri-congressman-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-upcoming-census/#IDComment18316019 Tried the link. Didn't work. Youtube says it's a malformed video id. Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:54:46 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/missouri-congressman-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-upcoming-census/#IDComment18316019 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/missouri-congressman-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-upcoming-census/#IDComment18315390 Make sure you vote on this one if you see this link! The poll is still open at 3:40 pm eastern time (April 7). Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:40:48 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/missouri-congressman-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-upcoming-census/#IDComment18315390 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/missouri-congressman-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-upcoming-census/#IDComment18315001 LOL Remember, peaceful, law abiding citizens are what's going to change this situation. Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:30:35 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/missouri-congressman-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-upcoming-census/#IDComment18315001 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/missouri-congressman-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-upcoming-census/#IDComment18314969 One of my favorite quotes. Perhaps I will put this on my sign when I go to the Madison Tea Party. :-D Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:29:56 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/missouri-congressman-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-upcoming-census/#IDComment18314969 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/missouri-congressman-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-upcoming-census/#IDComment18314926 If he was actually fulfilling his oath to uphold the Constitution, he would see that in the articles detailing out how population is to be counted for the census, it very clearly says that ONLY American citizens are allowed to be counted. Gee, what a coincidence, don't you think that the Constitution has already answered the question as to whether or not illegals should be counted? Imagine that, the Founding Fathers already thought ahead on that one... Tue, 7 Apr 2009 19:28:59 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/2009/04/07/missouri-congressman-wants-illegals-counted-in-the-upcoming-census/#IDComment18314926 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17733979 The point Klash is that these rights do not come from man, but from outside of ourseleves. Man-centered Enlightenment thinking didn’t teach Jefferson that. Though Jefferson was a deist, he still believed that Jehovah God was the one true God and that He communicated to us through the Bible. Whether or not he was willing to accept all of the Bible as His communication (he believed that it may have been corrupted by man over time) might be up for debate, but that isn’t the point. The point is that though Jefferson himself may not have been a born-again Christian, Christian thought pervaded and influenced the writings of these documents for individual rights. See history lesson on your other comment below for some evidence of this. Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:43:34 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17733979 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17733859 Dead on, Jo! Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:38:41 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17733859 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17733819 Klash, I both agree and disagree with what you have written. Sadly, there are many Christians who do not understand that the government should not be intertwined with religious institutions. I agree with you wholeheartedly that Christians who are involved in politics must be very careful in how they choose to justify reform in this country. Frankly, I am of the opinion that part of the reason why many Christians are so bent on intertwining their churches with their government is that they truly believe politics is the answer to changing this country. Though I believe politics will help, the Bible clearly teaches that governments and politicians are not what will change a country- Christ is what will change this country as He changes the lives of the people within it, if we are- as individuals- willing to let Him. However, you cannot claim that this country was not founded upon Christian principles. Without said principles, such a thought as individual rights would not exist. Let's dig back into history for this. "The notion of a Christian commonwealth should be exploded forever...Government should protect every man in thinking and speaking freely, and see that one does not abuse another. The liberty I contend for is more than toleration. The very idea of toleration is despicable; it supposes that some have a pre-eminence above the rest to grant indulgence, whereas all should be equally free, [whether they be] Jews, Turks, Pagans, [or] Christians." - A Chronicle of His Time in Virginia, John Leland In 1788, as The Constitution was being voted upon by the states, John Leland was in Virginia fighting before the Virginia government for the rights of Baptist preachers who were being imprisoned because they were unwilling to pay the tax associated with the Anglican church in Virginia and because they were preaching a message that was not accepted by the Anglican church (as it was a church run state). Though the “Virginia Declaration of Rights” stated that “…all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other,” the state of Virginia was practicing quite the opposite. The state of Virginia, at this point, appeared to be a state that would not vote for the Constitution as the many Baptist preachers, evangelists, and respective congregations (along with many other groups) were completely against it- as the Constitution allowed for more government control than the Articles of Confederation, but without a Bill of Rights allowing for the free exercise of religion. These preachers and their congregations were currently convincing their respective representatives to vote against the Constitution. Madison traveled down to Virginia to talk with residents about the need for the Constitution to pass. After speaking with Leland, and listening to his suggestions regarding a Bill of Rights, Madison vowed that if Leland would be willing to persuade the other Baptist ministers to urge their leaders and representatives to vote for the Constitution, that he would see to it that a Bill of Rights was immediately amended to the Constitution, allowing for free speech, free press, and religious liberty. Leland convinced the preachers and their congregations to speak with their representatives, and- with their help- the Constitution was narrowly ratified by Virginia. Were it not for Christians who believed in individual rights to free press, free speech, and religious liberty and fought for them though they were persecuted for it, most likely, we would have some sort of religiously controlled state- as the Constitution’s original framework allowed for such policies to exist. Were it not for Christian principles, as Glenn has so clearly pointed out on his show, our rights would not be unalienable rights which cannot be taken from us by the government. Rather, they would be government given rights that could be removed by the government whenever it pleases the government to do so. As someone who was a former atheist, I understand that there are those here who may not acknowledge Jehovah God as being a part of his or her life and still believe in these principles the same as I, save Principle #1. However, if you do not have a god where your rights come from, then where do they come? The government? To quote Paul the Apostle, “God forbid!!” This is far bigger than just individual rights- it’s about where those rights come from. Currently, the government thinks they gave them to us and were the author of those rights. The Constitution and Declaration of Independence say otherwise. Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:37:36 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/9principles12values/#IDComment17733819 http://www.the912project.com/912reading/#IDComment17732221 Amen, Soonernation! Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:35:29 +0000 http://www.the912project.com/912reading/#IDComment17732221 http://www.the912project.com/912reading/#IDComment17732138 I agree with you, but only to a point, Mrbryon. If rationality is the requisite of morality, who or what defines what is rational? Many Mormons in the past have defined that polygamy is rational. The terrorists who ran planes into the former World Trade Centers rationalized that the only way to wage a holy war against the U.S. was to kill tons of people while smashing an icon of our financial and social freedoms. There are Christians in the past who rationalized the killing of Jews and Arabs alike who wouldn't "convert" to Catholicism as rational. In other words, sir (or ma'am), who have stated that rationality is defined by man, yet you have also stated morality is determined by man. Mind if I ask what kind of circular reasoning this is? (for the record, I believe that such behaviors are not rational or moral, but I can state this with unequivocal certainty as I have a foundation that is not man-centered on which I base Absolute Morality and Rationality- Jehovah God as He communicated these to mankind through The Bible) I agree with you that the movement of the 9-12 Project is not based on God, but is based on a love for country, Constitution, and freedom, but I disagree with you when you state that it is based upon man-formed rationality. Regardless of what you may believe about the nature of Absolute Truth and the origin of morality and rationality, these are not what this 9-12 Project are upon. It's based upon the 9 Principles and 12 Values that we believe in and hold near and dear to our hearts. Not all of these beliefs- depending on what you believe- are considered rational (i.e.- Principle #1; many who don't believe in God believe that such belief is irrational). Therefore, it is not rationality that defines this movement. Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:32:39 +0000 http://www.the912project.com/912reading/#IDComment17732138 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment17730274 Did you see Glenn's show today? Who's going to organize the March on D.C.? Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:28:03 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=647#IDComment17730274 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=738#IDComment17600561 1. I would like to see the Constitution amended to include Term Limits for both the House and Senate. This way, if they do a poor job, eventually they will have to return to their constituents and "stand in the lines they themselves created." 2. If Congress believes that higher taxes will solve the problem, then maybe the salaries they receive shouldn't be tax free (of course, they'd have to pay their taxes, like the rest of us; i.e.- unlike Geitner, Rangle, and others). 3. Is it too much to ask a politician to just give a "yes" or "no" answer to a "yes or no" question? "Say what you mean, and mean what you say!" Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:42:09 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=738#IDComment17600561