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8 years ago @ http://onthebox.us/ - Words of Comfort: Why ... · 0 replies · +2 points

The Creation itself is enough evidence.

To what Creation is Jason P referring? He offers no evidence at all that the universe in which we live is a creation. He simply asserts that it is so he can then claim the existence of a Creator. If Jason P's God actually existed he wouldn't need to try this kind of jiggery pokery.

Life itself is more evidence.

Evidence of what? God? How so? Again Jason P simply asserts this as if asserting it makes it true.

Knowledge itself is also evidence.

Again, how is knowledge evidence of Jason P's God? He doesn't say, merely asserts it.

Without God there is no ground for any of these things.

More assertions that Jason P fails to back up with anything even approaching an argument - apparently we're supposed to take his word for it.

You can pretend otherwise and keep yourself in darkness. But you won't have an excuse when you stand before God that there wasn't enough evidence. I suppose the evidence on that day will be what you wished for all along but it will be a very very sad day for you.

Lol, with no evidence or rational argument for his position Jason P is reduced to fearmongering. It won't work.

Please think about your sins and God's holiness and the judgment to come.

I did think about it and realised that there is no God.

I don't want you to go to Hell.

Then Jason P is in luck. As Hell doesn't exist it's impossible for me to go there.

8 years ago @ http://onthebox.us/ - Words of Comfort: &ldq... · 0 replies · +4 points

No one is "born" an atheist. If you really believe that, then trees and puppies are atheists. They begin life with no belief in God.

And here Ray gives the game away. Of course we're all born with "no belief in God" (which technically is atheism) as they are all imaginary. There is no innate knowledge of God - contrary to the whole "everyone knows God exists they simply suppress the truth in unrightousness" - because they don't exist. It's why we all have to be taught about Gods by other people and why people tend to adopt the Gods that their friends and family believe in.

8 years ago @ http://onthebox.us/ - Words of Comfort: Thos... · 0 replies · +8 points

If you died right now you will justly end up in Hell.

Are you frightened yet? This is all Ray has, fear. He hopes that threatening you with imaginary punishments for imaginary crimes against an imaginary deity will get you to believe as he does. So sad that Ray's God is so horrific that this is the only evangelical technique he can muster to try and convince others that he's right.

8 years ago @ http://onthebox.us/ - Words of Comfort: Why ... · 4 replies · +2 points

Lol, Jason P seems to think his wishing makes it so. If he actually had evidence to support his claims he'd present that instead of posting baseless assertions.

8 years ago @ http://onthebox.us/ - Words of Comfort: If I... · 0 replies · +6 points

"We do our best"

I laughed ... oh wait, Ray wasn't joking.

As you were...

8 years ago @ http://onthebox.us/ - Words of Comfort: Nati... · 0 replies · +5 points

Unfortunately for Ray the entity described in his book of mythology bears no resemblance to the "Great Spirit" that the Native peoples believed in.

"The Indian loved to worship. From birth to death, he revered his surroundings. He considered himself born in the luxurious lap of Mother Earth, and no place was to him humble. There was nothing between him and the Big Holy (Wakan Tanka). The contact was immediate and personal, and the blessings of Wakan Tanka flowed over the Indian like rain showered from the sky. Wakan Tanka was not aloof, apart, and ever seeking to quell evil forces. He did not punish the animals and the birds, and likewise, he did not punish man. He was not a punishing god. For there was never a question as to the supremacy of an evil power over and above the power of Good. There was but one ruling power, and that was Good."
-Chief Luther Standing Bear -
Teton Sioux, Born 1868

8 years ago @ http://onthebox.us/ - Words of Comfort: He o... · 0 replies · +4 points

But in Ray's worldview we're not actually "free to be unthankful". Ray's book of mythology makes the claim that Ray's God is omniscient and that He has a plan to bring about His own glory. As such we have no choice but to follow that plan, exactly as Ray's God set it out. We will be thankful or unthankful depending upon his God's whims not our own choices. Similarly we have no choice as to whether we sin - the book claims we're incapable of not sinning - there's no free choice there either. Finally, it's not up to us whether we "die in our sins" or not either. Once more we're at the mercy of Ray's Gods whims. Those He chooses will repent and those who don't will be tortured for all eternity because that somehow fulfills Ray's Gods plan to bring about His own glory. For some reason Ray likes this horror show of a worldview. Of course there's no evidence that Ray's God exists which is why Ray is forced to use this kind of fear theology to try and get others to believe as he does. As Yoda tells us though "Fear is the path to the dark side".

8 years ago @ http://onthebox.us/ - Words of Comfort: Amazed! · 0 replies · +8 points

That some people - even very clever ones - misattribute nature to a non-existent God is not itself evidence that a God exists.

8 years ago @ http://onthebox.us/ - Words of Comfort: Bett... · 0 replies · +4 points

Ray simply imagines he's better off. We know this because he's had to make up an imaginary scenario where he's better off. Of course Ray fails to show we're even on a plane let alone that the parachute he's lauding actually exists.

8 years ago @ http://onthebox.us/ - Words of Comfort: God\... · 0 replies · +1 points

But you don't know for sure.

On the contrary JasonP.,'quite' has 2 common definitions:

1. to the utmost or most absolute extent or degree; absolutely; completely.

2. to a certain or fairly significant extent or degree; fairly.

I was using the first one.

So you're not really an atheist.

You seem woefully misinformed as to what an atheist actually is. For someone to be an atheist they merely need not believe in God(s). There's nothing in the concept of atheism that requires someone to be absolutely certain of Gods non-existence in order to be an atheist.

How many other blogs do you visit about imaginary beings to debate and ridicule?

Any others?

Or just ones that have to do with God?

I've debated the actions of a number of fictional characters on several different blogs/websites down the years. Questioning the possible motives of those characters and sometimes ridiculing authors' contrivances to help the creations to overcome seemingly impossible situations. Why then shouldn't I discuss the mythology surrounding deities in the same way?

My evidence that you hate God is in every one of your posts.

How convenient. Utterly unable to point to anything specific or answer any of the questions I've raised JasonP simply doesn't like that I don't believe as he does so he tries to label everthing I say as hateful. He's gone from being sad to being pathetic.

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