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15 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Elliott right over SF ... · 0 replies · +23 points

As a 'hardline' unionist i was left wondering where were Tom Elliotts thoughts about victims in 1998 when his party agreed the release of over 300 convicted, guilty terrorists from our prisons?
Where was this hardline attitude he exhibits after mere heckles, when the spy ring was discovered at Stormont?; or when terrorism was glorified to school kids with tales of being on the run?
Sinn Fein is not the party it was prior to 2005. It now supports the police courts and rule of law. The ira disarmed and stood down.
Sinn Fein supporters now vote for a party committed to peace. His comments may have had some justification, in my eyes, were they made before these changes, but are just plain rude, abusive and incorrect today.

15 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Unionists angry at pow... · 1 reply · +7 points

what planet do you live on. you still have not addressed the main issue of Jim Allisters 2004 manifesto. He deceived me and thousands others. Abandoned his promises and pledges. Left the DUP for doing what he had wanted in his 2004 manifesto.

15 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Unionists angry at pow... · 0 replies · +3 points

What has this got to do with anything. The DUP never promised to oppose Irish funding projects here!!
What is wrong with two sovereign countries working together for the betterment of their citizens in health, roads, electricity supply etc. It happens everyday between portugal and spain, germany and france. Why not here.
I want the ROI and NI to have closer links...in fact i believe in a united ireland. The south should never have left the UK. It is time it admits it cannot survive on its own and applies to rejoin the union!

15 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Unionists angry at pow... · 4 replies · +5 points

As for Ian Paisley he said in 1993 that he would not be part of the talks process unless all others involved were committed to exclusively peaceful and democratic means. He kept that promise and left in 1997 when sinn fein were prematurely admitted.
He opposed the GFA because the shinners were part of it before committing to exclusively peaceful and democratic means.
In 2003 and 2004 He and the DUP set out the way forward after becoming the biggest party in unionism. I have posted extracts. He said mandatory coalition was an option....one of three. Sorry how is he a traitor. It was the DUPn policy since 1993 at least. He kept his pledge to me and the others who voted DUP on the basis of its manifestoes and went into govt when SInn Fein changed and became soley a democratic political movement. As promised in Jim Allisters manifesto. Jim is the traitor.

15 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Unionists angry at pow... · 0 replies · +9 points

Incase you didn't notice Sinn Fein in 2005 supported the police. They took an oath of office to support the police courts and rule of law in 2007. Since 2007 they have repeatedly demonstrated a commitment to peace and democracy....Martin called republicans murderers traitors. and condemned the murder of policeman and the two soldiers. so yes big changes. As in the 1990's when sinn fein started on the political path they lost some hardline republicans. The same in 2005. The south armagh brigade of the IRA defected to the real ira years ago. Paul Quinns murder was not sought or sanction by the IRA. You know that as much as Jim Allister does.

15 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Unionists angry at pow... · 7 replies · +3 points

"there are three potential forms of
administration which could be formed:
- a Voluntary Coalition which can command cross community support,
- a mandatory coalition involving all the major parties,
or
- a corporate assembly in which the Assembly as a whole would take executive decisions.
A mandatory coalition to include Sinn Fein is only possible when they are demonstrably committed to exclusively peaceful and democratic means."
That was Jim Allisters manifesto in 2004.
Now mandatory coalition is a benign form of despotism.
No twisting there. That is the simple facts. He changed....Not Ian Paisley.

15 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Unionists angry at pow... · 2 replies · +2 points

that was never never never to dublin rule...as i assume you well know. Jim Allister today called the mandatory coalition system a benign form of despotism. His manifesto said it was one of three acceptable forms of govt. which is the truth. If he says two opposing things which is the truth?
A doubleminded man is unstable in all his ways.

15 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Unionists angry at pow... · 1 reply · +4 points

Why was my original post removed? who moderates this? censorship will not work!
Jim Allisters 2004 manifesto said
"there are three potential forms of
administration which could be formed:
- a Voluntary Coalition which can command cross community support,
- a mandatory coalition involving all the major parties,
or
- a corporate assembly in which the Assembly as a whole would take executive decisions.
A mandatory coalition to include Sinn Fein is only possible when they are demonstrably committed to exclusively peaceful and democratic means."

He now attacks the DUP position. He left the DUP in 2007 when they formed a mandatory coalition as per HIS manifesto. HE left the DUP and his electors without representation at Europe. Fool me once Jim shame on you. You'll not get my vote again.

15 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Peter Robinson defies ... · 0 replies · -1 points

You might wish to live in a country where MLA's staff are gathering information like national insurance numbers, adresses, schools children attend, number plates of cars driven etc etc. Ask the police, army, prison officers, etc if its a good idea. Paisley stood up for everyones freedom. Its not in anyones interest to allow that kind of shenanigans

15 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Peter Robinson defies ... · 0 replies · -2 points

Hold on that is nonsense. Paisley as a leader of the opposition in the then stormont could no more control the aritsocracy and their jobs for the boys than a man on the street.
The unionists themselves got rid of ONeill because he couldn't be trusted. He didn't even tell his own cabinet that Lemass was invited to Stormont. Trimble was brought down rightly becuse he lied ot the people. Either he meant "no guns on the table under the table or outside the door" or he didnt. He then said no guns no govt...then let the shinners in again and again and then a third time. Stormont spy ring, castlereagh, gun running from florida and russia, FARC rebel information swaps etc etc....is that how you want your country to be run. No. It had to stop. Sinn Fein knew they could roll trimble over. Not so with ian. The shinners supported the police at the 2005 ard fheis. who'd have thoght it! All because someone had the back bone to say enough...no more.
He didn't generate hatred. He gave the ordinary working class people a voice. .

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