Actually Sade, I agree with a lot of what you said about the breed but I am pretty well ensconced in the pit bull community and I have not seen evidence to support Karen Delise or Mary Harwelik as pit bull breeders. If you have evidence that proves otherwise, I would be very interested in seeing it.
i do agree that they are propagandists.

"like i said, its not about pitbulls, but the idiots that own them."

I agree with that statement.

"Labrador retrievers retrieve. Border collies herd. Beagles bay. Greyhounds chase moving prey on sight."

Yes and the EXPERTS come crawling out of the woodwork to subjugate all our opinions to their EXPERTISE when ever a pit story shows up in the media.
More often than not these self proclaimed "experts" and victims of other breed attacks are either completely fabricating their stories or really REALLY stretching the truth.

Speaking of OPINIONS from EXPERTS...

A 30 yr old woman with 20 plus yrs experience training dogs and 14 plus years with pit bull experience.

Let's see trained first dog at the age of 17 and became a certified pet dog trainer in 2007. Wait... let me do the math... Yep, 20+ yrs!!!

Whew! And I thought I was going to catch another liar like last month. Some crazy woman in Mississippi claiming to be a veterinarian for 30+ yrs. Turns out Julie Perry is only 29 yr old! I didn't need a calculator for that one.

http://www.realpitbull.com/resume.html

I used to have respect for you Mary. I thought your web site was very well done, very informative. I thought that at least you were very honest about the breed. You just are not honest about yourself. Once someone lies, nothing they say can trusted again.

For anyone who thinks they want to report this comment, I have this to say:
I am truthful, I am civil, and I am sharing my knowledge with those less fortunate people who might be sucked in by "the experts".