en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/621312 Comments by Fat Libertarian http://tv.breitbart.com/rand-paul-tries-to-explain-ron-pauls-positions-on-terrorism-in-epic-radio-interview/#IDComment203648566 The #1 and predominant cause for suicide terrorism is occupation. The key words are PREDOMINANT and SUICIDE. Not just acts of terror, nor is it the only reason. If you change our foreign policy, you remove a LARGE motivation for suicide terrorism. If we're not in the region influencing their politics and/or government - do we really think 9/11 would have happened? Probably not. It takes rather extreme and perceived hopeless situations to grow suicide terrorism and OCCUPATION is the primary cause of it. Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:50:50 +0000 http://tv.breitbart.com/rand-paul-tries-to-explain-ron-pauls-positions-on-terrorism-in-epic-radio-interview/#IDComment203648566 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2011/09/21/how-hollywood-conservatives-are-gay/#IDComment196499094 As a gay libertarian, your story did not surprise me. Often, gay people put so much into self-acceptance that they can go overboard. I'll never let my orientation destroy my ability to think rationally about the principles of liberty. Governments most important job is to defend liberty and that includes gay people. End of discussion. Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:19:07 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2011/09/21/how-hollywood-conservatives-are-gay/#IDComment196499094 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141750338 Yeah, just to make something clear. I've never said that punch line that Islam is a "religion of Peace". But more to the point that I just don't give a **** about their religion. If we were soon attacked by a Muslim nation after withdrawal, then we'd have the moral high ground to respond and destroy the NATION that launched unecessary hostilities against us. Just as in life we can't preemptively murder someone, and claim to be moral, we can't preemptively declare war on a nation either. If we are more defensive and only react when someone attacks us, then have the moral high ground and complete authority to annihilate them. However, when we act preemptively as we have been, we lose all moral authority and are in fact pursuing an immoral and unjust war. This goes for Libya and Iraq. So if you believe Muslims and their faith are so evil and destructive then let them SHOW IT. Let them elect their own leaders and form of government, let them live and die on their own ability as we stay completely out of it. The day they (their government) becomes violent and needlessly attacks us you'd actually coalesce the entire world against them and prove you right. But in this current situation we're only attacked by individuals from within these Muslim nations, not their governments, because we prop up their governments, whom they hate. As Michael Schurer has said - we're not even their number 1 target. Their number 1 target are there OWN leaders who're (in their eyes) propped up by us. So again, I'm not here to say that I think Islam is a religion of peace. As a gay, libertarian American I honestly say that I'd probably read the Koran and then throw it away. But when you look at the entire situation it's not entirely about their faith, nor our freedoms. And in order to make the best decisions you have to be willing to look at all the facts and then decide on the best course of action. To say they attack us only because of their religion and because we believe in freedom is (to me) silly. For if you remove our intervention in the Middle East from the equation they'd not care about us anymore. And if they ever did group together and attack us (as a nation) then DESTROY THEM. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 23:00:59 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141750338 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141731382 Esgaroth do you advocate for a Christian war against Islam? Destroy them all? If you do, I disagree and see your mind as filthy with all manner of misunderstandings, fear and judgments about humanity. We probably disagree both politically and religiously and so we're miles apart. You're probably one of these fundamentalist Christians who lets their religion infect their politics to such a degree that you'd willingly destroy America in order to "destroy Islam". The irony is how you judge Muslims for the destruction their faith causes, yet fail to see how much death our foreign policy causes which you support for the exact same reason they support their holy war. The U.S. military has killed more Arabs through collateral damage than the terrorists could ever hope to kill. As you can see, this is all a complete and total mess with a hell of a lot of he said/she said going on. That's why I believe it's best to simplify this damn debate and just get out of the middle east and let them behead and destroy themselves if they so wish. They can live under tyranny for all I care. If they want freedom, they'll have to earn it just as we did. I'm kind of silly though, in that I advocate for the success and survival of the United States above all else and that includes Israel. Let the "borgs" as you call them, destroy themselves if you so hate them. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:02:53 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141731382 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141729278 In that case our interests where directly being threatened. That's not the current case because it's OUR intervention the last 50+ years that's led to events like 9-11. There's no need or reason for us to be in the Middle East. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:50:31 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141729278 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141696286 SaveTheRepublic: Are you seriously suggesting that those who no promote preemptive war (which is no worse than preemptive murder) have the moral high ground? That's interesting. Could be rather hypocritical if it turns out that YOU supported the preemptive invasion of Iraq. Where'd your morals go, chief? He said "ISLAM IS EVIL, PERIOD". So that begs the question - should we destroy everyone of that religion? If not, then what should we do? I tend to avoid issues of morality when debating with neoconservatives such as yourselves because your beliefs that their "evil" tends to make you discard notions of morality. A good example of this is the denunciation of the just war theory and how easily you interventionist's discard it in fighting this "epic evil". I believe we must examine all moral and financial reasons when it comes to our foreign policy, least we be given to emotional tantrums that lead us dangerously down a path of insolvency. Hey.. wait a minute, that's exactly where we're going! That's weird! The question was an honest question for anyone who posts these rather cool lists of Koran one-liners. Why do they post them? What do those lists justify? And if he's not promoting or justifying war/intervention in the middle east because of these one-liners then what's the point? It's just a question and it sounds like you don't have an answer so you come back with some bull. I'm sure someone out there has a list of quotes that make the Bible look evil. In fact, I bet Bil Maher does. Me? I don't think any religion is evil just as I don't think any GUN is evil. It's the person behind that gun or good book. Funny how so-called conservatives can make that connection when it comes to guns but not religion, isn't it? Oh, but hey, I'm the morally depraved right? You crack me up. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 18:34:42 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141696286 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141682834 I don't agree with you on your interpretation of how evil Islam is. I've read much of the Bible and remember thinking as a kid - "God isn't very nice". The Bible, under the right circumstance can be read and used for a holy war and has. I'm not going to say their faith has not created a primitive society, because maybe it has. But in my opinion that's just yet another reason for us to STAY OUT OF THEIR LAND and STOP intervening into their lives. Then when they strive or die, it's on them 100% and we have no blame whatsoever. If they ever pre-eminently attack us then this LIBERTARIAN would support DESTROYING THEM. But they have to act first. List all the reasons interventionists give for our involvement in the middle east. - Oil. - Israel. - Stability. Has, in any conceivable way, our wars in the middle east increased access to cheap oil? No, in fact it was at just $30 a barrel before the Iraq war. Is Israel more or less threatened today? According to Mr. Israel himself, David Horowitz, they're "more threatened than ever". He said this in trying to attack the libertarian foreign policy, and ironically illustrated the failure of our intervention's. Then finally, has our precense created stability? Hah, of course not. Uprisings all over the place and now our interventionist's have dragged us into a 3rd damn war, not including the 4th one in Pakistan with Iran being on the table. It'll never end. Name every reason for our interventionist foreign policy and they've failed at each turn. Not only that, I'd argue they've made each goal, WORSE. What should we do? Stop playing God. There's nothing more tyrannical than a person who thinks they can stop all the evil in the world. We have to have more faith and eject from the Middle East. Let them sort it out, we'll be okay. And if we someday come under attack by an actual nation, then we'll have the resources to respond. But as of now we're gonna be too spread out and too weakened to do anything because of stupid and out of control foreign policy. I've said my thoughts on this, but it won't be accepted by all! Not everyone's ready for it. Thanks Master Candidus for your thoughtful response. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:58:35 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141682834 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141676106 We just don't have time for b.s. I'm going to tell people exactly as it is and let the chips fall where they may. And IF you an interventionist, it does not make me a jerk to suggest you agree with Graham, McCain or Clinton. They're some of the biggest war hawks around and according to most of you it's that war hawkishness that "keeps us safe". I just think those people are incredibly dangerous fascists. We Americans can be extremely prideful but deep down we all know we're on the ropes. It's our inability to self-examine ourselves and our choices (for conservatives it's our warfare state, for progressives it's the welfare state) that's destroying us and nothing and nobody else. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 17:37:59 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141676106 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141479877 What right do you have to steal my income to go to war and nation build in Iraq? Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:28:24 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141479877 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141479522 I agree Thomas. These neoconservative guys like to stick their hand in the bee hive, get stung and then yell, OMG LET'S KILL ALL BEE'S THEY STING! Let's remove our hand from the hive and never go back again. Now if the bee's invade YOUR HOME, then you annihilate them. But I'm afraid it's a bit of a lost cause here. Many of them have spent YEARS arguing and defending a certain point of view, they can't just change now. I know, I used to be a neoconservative and supported the Iraq war. Now I hate that war. Total waste, unAmerican and not at all in our interests. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:26:58 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141479522 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141478674 If they're so evil, then why can't we leave them alone? Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:23:46 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141478674 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141478437 Are you saying we should kill every Muslim, or what? I don't agree with your misinterpretation, but for the sake of my sanity, what is your end goal or point? Should we join with Israel and just slay all Muslims, or just "the bad ones" and how exactly can we afford that? Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:22:43 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141478437 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141476608 I feel like you're misinterpreting their motivation, but you're not alone in this. Most of our leaders have been doing the same thing, which is why we have not defeated them and it's also why the Middle East is out of control and why we're now in three different wars. It's our foreign policy that motivates their hatred toward the U.S. In fact, Bin Laden himself REFERENCED Michael Scheuer in one of his video's because he's been telling us this for years. Where you and Ron Paul (and most on this site) would disagree is if you think our foreign policy is worth it. He (and I) do not. As I said previously - look at the price of oil since all of this began. Look around you at expensive things are getting. Look at our airports and the sexual gropings that are forced on us. Look at the destruction of our civil liberties, President declaring war on a country that's done nothing to us without any declaration of war from congress, the president can now assassinate people without a trial. Yet we're supposed to worry about acts of terror, as though they're more dangerous? ABSOLUTELY NOT. What is it interventionists claim? That they come here because they hate freedom? Yet what is we're to give up to fight the terrorists? FREEDOM. Under that logic, then anyone who voted for the Patriot Act is a terrorist. BY THEIR OWN DEFINITION! The true enemy of America is... Ourselves. The debt we pile up, the dollar we're destroying and the erosion of our once meaningful (and I believe Christian) principles. We used to have a nation which said that the Federal government can NEVER do anything that you as a citizen cannot do. We used to believe in setting an example for the rest of the world by living what we preached. We used to be against preemptive wars. The list goes on and on, and yet, the slow and steady death continues. Gold continues to skyrocket, oil does the same.. I don't know that it will ever change, really, not until it all falls apart. But, by all means, blame Islam. But don't kid yourself. When the dollar dies and our government collapses, ISLAM won't be the cause. It'll be because of our own damn arrogance and pride. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 07:15:46 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141476608 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141472357 Rjcylon, our foreign policy is the primary motivation for terrorist attacks against the U.S. Ron Paul (and Michael Scheuer) are suggesting we need to examine that and consider what we're doing in the Middle East. If you wanna be immature and never self-examine our actions, then you should go join Lindsay Graham, John McCain or Hilary Clinton's staff. I'm sure you'll fit right in. We'll probably collapse under this debt and as the dollar continues to erode (look at the price of gas, I got news for you, it's going to keep going up and up...) we might be in a very real situation to where we'll have troops all throughout the middle east with no way to get them home. We need not worry about terrorist's destroying America. We're doing it ourselves and our current emotionally charged interventionist foreign policy along with our "feel good, but be stupid" welfare state. And Rand Paul probably agrees with everything I just wrote. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:59:30 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141472357 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141470374 Jeff Weimer, are you suggesting that before 9-11 we were non-interventionist (or isolationist if you wanna use that over-used term) and stayed out of the Middle East? Please tell me you're not saying that. The primary motivation for terrorist attacks on the U.S. is BECAUSE of our foreign policy and our occupation of their lands. If China came to Mexico and started occupying our states, do you think some Christians (such as myself) might not start fighting them on MORAL and RELIGIOUS grounds? Of course we would. We have to grow up and change our thinking. We do not make ourselves more secure by continually sitcking our ass in the middle east. We do not protect ourselves by fighting Israel's wars. These countries in the middle east would be better off without us meddling in their affairs, and so would we. Finally, OIL was $30 a barrel right before the Iraq war. LOOK AT WHAT ALL YOUR INTERVENTION HAS DONE. Can you not see it? All it creates is more terror, more debt, more threats, more unrest, and the prospect of a crappy future for the next generation. We all need to grow up and stop bullsh ourselves and DO WHAT'S RIGHT. LOOK OURSELVES OBJECTIVELY. LOOK AT WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT. THAT IS ALL. Sun, 10 Apr 2011 06:51:59 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/04/09/bill-maher-there-is-one-religion-in-the-world-that-kills-you-when-you-disagree-with-them/#IDComment141470374 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/#IDComment128964159 I found the article not very compelling. It'd be better if you guys said that you don't agree with Washington and other founders that we should stay out of entangling alliances abroad. Instead the article attempts to twist the obvious desire of Washington to avoid such disputes abroad. I'm no longer going to post anything about this blog. You guys are the failed foreign policy of yesterday and as time is passing you buy your getting increasingly out there. Ron Paul is now mainstream and you guys are fringe, you just don't know it yet. See yah. Sat, 19 Feb 2011 00:27:20 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/#IDComment128964159 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/#IDComment128850645 Please respond with the post in which you refute this. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 17:04:52 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/#IDComment128850645 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/#IDComment128832486 Hey Horowitz, I notice in your post you said that Israel's enemies are gaining strength. You mean with all our foreign intervention and warfare in the middle east, Israel's enemies are still gaining strength? That's strange... Could it be that the very foreign policy you seek has in fact made things worse and that to continue the same foreign policy will only make things more dangerous for both Israel and America? No, no never. I'm just an anti-Semite! Learn how to debate. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:49:57 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/#IDComment128832486 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/#IDComment128831076 Listen Schrute, Ron Paul seeks the foreign policy of our founders. Are you suggesting they were anti-American? Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:43:51 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/#IDComment128831076 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/#IDComment128829925 Yeah, and you still look like Dwight Schrute. Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:39:56 +0000 http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/#IDComment128829925