en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/262555 Comments by ellisliza http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14407042 People have to take a legal stand for their proper ballot box sovereignty. The media will not offer democracy. "Justice is never won, it must be exacted" is true enough. If people think they can watch injustice, and expect people to rule when the media offered ONLY incubments and sneered at the proper honest debate due, then those of who voted against the two parties, know we tried, but the majority should stand up and join the demand for change and pull the rug of lies out from under the media corrupt tyranny and demand justice to belong at the ballot box as an informed choice by an informed majority. DEBATES of SIX who were on the ballot in a majority of states and full presentation of their challenge, REQUIRED for valid elections. IF the people are aware that there is the Tenth Amendment for them to take back the power to declare when an election is not democracy, and demand the results as uninformed due to media control and refusal to present the facts and objective truth, the people can force the right behavior, by saying WHAT is REQUIRED. SIX not TWO as the honest contest and force honest results. Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:18:52 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14407042 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14407005 The media will not do it voluntarily, but rob them of their villains trophy for a "President Elect" who was "unchallenged" in public and nationally. The media has no conscience showing. It was intentional insult to the nation, to Nader, and to the other three Presidential Candidates who had every reason to believe they offered serious competition to the two incumbents who offered RED INK CORRUPT ILLEGAL POLICY FOR INCREASED WAR NOT FEASIBLE, but oh yes, they would "do it" and were up front about it -- most people do not even know the status of the red ink and that Obama said he wants to invade Afhaganistan on his website and in a taped speech still there. The media knows they are liars and hype and offensive against truth of contest DUE and OVERDUE. It is heinous, not just shameful. "Mainstream Media" is not the majority. But the majority was UNINFORMED. Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:12:57 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14407005 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14406951 I have suggested the legal recourse for demanding a new election and voiding this election (the third in a row that was two party railroading against the proper view due for proper democracy for the people and to refuse commercial corrupt media unconscionable behavior that can be challenged if the people void the election using this amendment) -- The Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution says any powers that are not specified in the Articles shall belong to the people or the states. Certainly when the incumbent party's show agenda tyranny against the true hope, peace, and change as REAL for the people, it is up to the people to demand the full slate to have the proper PEOPLE's choice as the contest winner where the incumbents are required to face their challengers before the nation, nationally. Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:06:14 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14406951 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14406892 (these two paragraphs were the ending of my letter to the editor of the la times on January 20th) I voted for Nader but most believed the lies about the "best" cannot win and cynicism is reality. It is not reality, it is illegal and corruption forced against the change due. Today, January 20th, I am requesting my state officials to consider the potential success of a 50 state review of the election fraud of incumbents only provided as the real choices for voters when there were SIX not TWO: Baldwin, Barr, McCain, McKinney, Nader, and Obama. It is the people's right to have the real debate of SIX where the incumbents have to answer the challengers and the people decide who should be the winner with the real change for people agenda on track! Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:57:34 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14406892 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14406881 L.A. Times January 20th 2009 (likely not published, but was submitted) Obama is the result of two party corrupt railroading of an election where the media told the public there were only two incumbents both "good" according to the media, and they hyped the evaded the truth about the two and the four challengers. In a valid democracy the incumbents must face a challenge tendered and it was tendered. The public contest was due. Election fraud caused lies to take hold and the public allowed corruption against the proper change needed and wanted to net the majority rule and people's power due. People can request a new election of the states opinion of the fraud results are not democracy for the constitutional rule by an informed majority to vote real change. Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:56:53 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14406881 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14406866 This chart analysis when you check the graph icon enlarged, shows the number 5 on the list of "most important" as the question of including third parties in the debates. This is a misleading impression, I believe it is not an "option" up to the media! It is refusal of democracy, incumbents only and chosen by the media is offense against the people, especially when the media is biased and divides the country into two parties completely not just in elections, but everything they report. So, I am posting now, to add background protest that I have written to some media outlets as letters to the editor, the one I am posting here, shows when I sent it via email, I believed appropriately as protest at the question of Obama as the ONLY choice allowed by the media to put Bush out of office and it was NOT, it was incumbency continued, and gleefully by the media. They are unreal and heinous, in my opinion, and I am adamant. I decided to let this audience have my view of the current issue of debates DUE for democracy as VALID versus INVALID. Railroaded elections of no choice but the media's to me is obviously entirely invalid. Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:55:26 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment14406866 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13717228 TruthDig online news shows continued media bias as if military is wanted instead of peace and safety. News Brief noted today, click on their "Editor's Pick" and you will find the news...the U.S. is number one in sales of weapons worldwide. This is shameful of the U.S. and the world. Obama is seeking to increase the offense against peace and law. Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:57:48 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13717228 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13717111 But, the media wants the military horrors as if WE do, and We do NOT! Obama is an incumbent horror and on January 20th, when he takes oath of office, he will be a pre-announced liar/hypocrit, he has no intentions of upholding the U.S. Constitution and the DEFINED LEGAL DUTY BOUND DEMOCRATIC REQUIRED DUTIES, to deliver leadership ON TRACK for a Constitutional Government. Hypocrit Oath Jan. 20th by Obama. Lying about upholding the Constitution. He is breaking the law now, in advance. He wants to increase military budget which is WAY OFF track (HUGE RED INK), and NADER said so, and OBAMA offered his heinous UNCONSTITUTIONAL platforms out loud, in public speeches, and the media loved Obama and refused any challenge by Nader or others. I hated Obama and the media and the voters for allowing it. Utterly hated Obama for his stated intentions, out of line, unconsitutional entirely. So now there will be a HYPOCRIT OATH on January 20th. Unless the media is sued for the lack of proper candidate presentation for DEMOCRACY to happen. SIX not TWO were due. Nader would certainly tell Obama his wars are not his pre-rogative. Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:47:10 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13717111 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13717007 The media continues the usurption of the U.S. Constitution and the freedom and democracy it provides, celebrating infamy instead of justice. Obama is an INCUMBENT and was not the remedy to the need for an agenda change for PEACE. 89% said we are "off track" as a nation when the Washington Post interviewed Independents and polled them with railroaded questions, but that one question, I believe was a valid result. With only the two choices offered, they said "off track" or "on track" 89% said "off track." But the Post tried to offer a poll focused on military as if that is the proper view. Proper governing one's own country is NOT military it is upholding the U.S. Constitution and offering peace and prosperity as a given. That poll offered the Independents ONLY two choices, both INCUMBENTS both the CORRUPT TWO PARTYS and both endorsing the military horrors that the questions pretended to offer as the problems necessary to solve. No, the solving is to end the bad policy and off track, and Nader had offered it. Budget in the black and priorities on track. No red ink. Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:39:39 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13717007 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13285554 Moving past healthcare, if Obama says "peace" and "change" is he in danger of becoming that? No, he is talking war and increasing military and doing exactly what he saw Bush do, calling war peace, when certainly it is not, and there is no money for it. Nor a public behind it. But, the media? Of course. They report in their way of slanting continued unending war as if that is U.S. proper policy unable to be interrupted by a REAL DEMOCRACY with a national protest vote for Peace, and a budget for proper policy ON TRACK. To get democracy, do you think suing all the maintstream media because there is no danger of Obama becoming Nader, not at all, and no change is sight, bailouts, illegal budget excesses and offensive policy not wanted, this is what Obama offered, and as an incumbent, should not surprise anyone-suing the media for SIX were due for Democracy to happen, is it worth the fixing the no danger of change unless we get the right candidate who means what he says, voted for by the public? Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:54:10 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13285554 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13285534 Your other interesting comment, I believe belongs in front of this audience. Good question! Dcj91365 said: "I simply posted that there because I wanted it visible. I have one thing to say, and that is if people do not become vehimately honest and moral and yet claim to be something that they are not then they are in danger of becoming that?" No danger, I do not think so. They are who they are.: Re healthcare, but it applies to all the issues. WHAT Obama offered for policy supposedly was healthcare, and NO, he is in no danger of becoming that. Unless, what the first poster wanted to do is done, a full NADER "Universal Healthcare" report put before the public might force the truth against Obama. Big difference. Obama has no intent of anything except "corporate" benefits, using your taxes to impact on their continued increases. Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:51:35 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13285534 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13284690 But, I logged on to fix my answers to your two short and sweet comments. I misquoted you on the "Peace is Reality" you said, "Peace belongs in reality." But your point was not the same as mine. You went on to say reality belongs in the news. You did not comment on the fact that Nader was willfully left out and a serious challenge against the Iraq War and for Impeachment and for peace policy and upholding the U.S. Constitution. Do you think the MEDIA has the right to refuse the ELECTION NEWS that there were SIX not TWO and the offering of the REAL DEBATES? Democracy is supposed to offer the unseating of corrupt power and reflect the truth of a nation. The media has usurped it and is controlling the news against democracy. Do you see objective news about Impeachment on the table on the front page? The media doesn't want it any more than the FOUR challengers who were nationally on the ballot. They do not have the right to withhold democracy and tell everyone it was as if the people did it. The media CERTAINLY did it. Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:43:52 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13284690 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13284659 Dcj91365-I looked at the link you posted after asking, "how do you stop a war if you don't know its going on?" It is a reasonably long list of ONGOING wars. QUICK answser, "Unprovoked War Started by U.S. is ILLEGAL and unconstitutional." Troubles in other countries are NOT an "invitation" to offer increased fear and undue weapons and threats and involvement with sides. How do you stop a war ongoing if it is not your war? That is why we have to get out of Iraq NOW! And, we were not supposed to "begin." The war that is theirs was theirs before, and we were not supposed to invade. It is offense and the pretense of favor is obviously NOT going to stop any war, and starting one is against international policy, and when the President of a Democracy violates the U.S. Constitution, it is cause for impeachment. Congress gave Bush a "October Resolution" allowing him (one person) their decision duty (535 people) and that was VERY BAD. Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:39:36 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13284659 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13196205 The naysayers who said he cannot win are liars and against the PEACE IS REALITY proper view, and you got it! The Campaign worked hard, but some of them need to go, they were not believing what is DUE, the media owed the FRONT page and THAT democracy demands the power of the people to unseat the bums in office and the corruption. Nader is REALITY also, and his comments and his candidacy of a legendary track of accomplishment and real standing up against the military corrupt spending and the illegal Iraq War, all deserved the front page. When I asked in January 2003 for the Boston Globe to read and circulate the book by Helen Caldicott, the publisher was Richard Gilman. Masthead says he left in 2006. So the change did not change the REALITY IS PEACE and can do BELONGS on the FRONT PAGE with NADER. Corruption is not ok, and people rule, not corruption. Peace and proper law and order should be REALITY! Thanks for good words. I love it. "Peace is Reality" and "Reality belongs on the Front Page." Also, Democracy means the incumbents CAN BE VOTED OUT! Is supposed to be a media reality! Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:13:25 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13196205 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13196160 Dcj91365-you are right, PEACE is REALITY and REALITY belongs on the FRONT PAGE and a true President would be the challenge against BUSH and the warmongers spending our taxes for profit and greed against the proper government...I said that part, you said good "stuff" Peace is Reality, and Reality belongs on the Front Page, and YES, Nader belonged there all during the campaign, and what he has to say NOW also belongs there, as a proper comment on what "they" are doing with the budget and the military. Peace is what he is able to lead, and the public deserved the right to choose between the SIX not TWO and incumbents are not the answer when voting power to oust corruption is supposed to happen at a majority level. Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:08:41 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13196160 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13107660 In January 2003 I did not suspect they were utterly blatantly THAT biased against PEACE, and for warmongering as their editorial coverage and slant of the news. Peace belongs on the front page news, certainly when it is offered. Candidates like Nader landing on the ballot in Massachusetts deserves that front page news also, and that there are many more independents that democrats registered in Massachusetts. They didn't want to do that proper public information for election news, either. They owed the TRUTH that the country and the state is not two party majority, we are non-partisan at a majority level and democracy can be very real without any two party powermongering intimidation, but the media wanted the intimidation. I researched the statistics, and the truth was not allowed before the public. Nader fans knew he could win if the media did what was owed. It is soooo owed! And, the other three "outside" candidates had the right to be heard, and seen also. It is required for valid democracy. Incumbents and tyranny do not belong as the rule. An informed majority rule is the rule according to our Constitution. Nationally 100 million non-partisan registered voters. 62 million 2 party. Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:23:16 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13107660 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13103609 I wanted to give them Calidcott's book because they had refused my attempt to get their staff to interview her while she was here in Cambridge, MA. She is a Nobel Peace Prize Winner, 1985, founder of the Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War. She has been actively seeking to coordinate serious proper nuclear policy and eliminate nuclear weapons. She has authored numerous books and founded an organization with the proper goal of focusing on eliminating the weapons. The table before the guard was full of other manilla clasped envelopes, while my book was entirely visible. The guard would not put it on the table for the publisher to pick up. The publisher did not answer. I said nuclear weapons are like a pile of dung in the Boston Public Gardens, the public would ask of dung in the way, "why hasn't this been removed?" They would remove a dung pile but not nukes? I do not like EITHER, thanks. The right wing establishment media censors peace and the candidates who are most able, especially Nader for President. They have offended the entire nation and the world. Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:22:14 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13103609 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13103418 The Boston Globe would not let me hand deliver a book by Helen Caldicott on January 1, 2003, "The New Nuclear Danger: Bush's Military/Industrial Complex." They asked me to give the book to the guard at the gate. They cannot tolerate peace activists as actually belonging to the mainstream view as reality. The Boston Globe is way out of bounds, as is the mainsteam media generally. A book was too scary for them, but not the military industrial complex? That was 2003. I did not believe how bad the media is. They are very bad. Fri, 26 Dec 2008 05:43:01 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13103418 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13103417 Did you know Ahmadinejad (I checked the spelling from Hamman Majd's book) said a very good diplomatic sweeping urgent message before the United Nations this fall, "All sovereign countries should stay within their boundaries and walk in the path of God." Majd was the translator, the clip of the translation was aired before an interview by NPR of Fresh Air by Terry Gross. Certainly it sounds as if he offers proper respect for international law. But, yes, Nader's diplomatic urging of bringing the U.S. troops home from Iraq and ending the occupation and reversing the policy for the Middle East, yes, Nader would be the true change and for peace candidate-you put it succinctly. In the meantime, I thought you might like to know about the quote! Iran needs a friend to talk to, and the public should know they were not offered the right candidate as the challenge to Bush and for the new Presidency to Put America on Track! Fri, 26 Dec 2008 05:42:47 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13103417 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13064761 I believe Nader is a Macromanager, not a micromanager. IF HE WERE ELECTED, he would need a top Chief of Staff, and then we would have the best possible results, because Nader is on target on what ought to be and has a track to prove it and even his enemies admit that. (That to me, is the cause for HOPE and BELIEF...it is due Nader for President, not the bums in office who offer red ink and red blood, AND illegality beyond belief.) Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:08:35 +0000 http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/12/08/our-post-election-issues-survey/#IDComment13064761