en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/347347 Comments by david0296 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/marco-rubio-speech-to-anti-gay-group-moral-well-being-of-our-nation-is-our-business/politics/2013/11/18/78850#IDComment752216011 Morality is a funny thing. When societies become more enlightened, things that were clearly thought of as immoral are now considered commonplace. Fifty years ago it was deemed immoral for interracial couples to get married. The nation thought the well-being of the country was at stake and passed bans in 30 states. Simple-minded people (who use religion to control their life) like Marco Rubio are incapable or unwilling to learn from history. Our society is not obligated to tolerate their ignorance and intolerance. As usual, they'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming into our secular society where everyone (regardless of sexual orientation) is treated with civil equality. Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:41:41 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/marco-rubio-speech-to-anti-gay-group-moral-well-being-of-our-nation-is-our-business/politics/2013/11/18/78850#IDComment752216011 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/catholic-hospital-refuses-to-allow-woman-to-visit-her-same-sex-partner/news/2013/11/14/78679#IDComment750134634 If the hospital is accepting federal funds, they're breaking the law. End of story. Knowing that the mother is anti-gay, they should have already had living wills made out for each other, just in case a situation exactly like this happens. Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:56:49 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/catholic-hospital-refuses-to-allow-woman-to-visit-her-same-sex-partner/news/2013/11/14/78679#IDComment750134634 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/hawaii-senator-bisexual-people-wont-be-able-to-marry-under-same-sex-marriage-bill/marriage/2013/11/12/78536#IDComment749041063 I don't know of a single bisexual person that is fighting for polygamous marriages. Seriously, where do these idiots come from? Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:45:03 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/hawaii-senator-bisexual-people-wont-be-able-to-marry-under-same-sex-marriage-bill/marriage/2013/11/12/78536#IDComment749041063 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/lawmaker-have-the-people-of-hawaii-not-done-enough-we-gave-you-your-civil-unions-video/politics/2013/11/11/78495#IDComment748523539 That was definitely one of the most vile and lie-ridden speeches I've heard in a long time. I think I verbally called her a liar at least a dozen times while listening to it. She promoted the outrageous idea that the state is going to indoctrinate school children into the "homosexual lifestyle". Because... um... straight people are icky, and gays are awesome? Seriously? As for feeling like a stranger in her own state, it really is amazing that if you have to treat gay Americans exactly the same as everyone else, your entire way of life will be destroyed. I almost feel sorry for her. If it weren't for the fact that she's a vile bigoted scumbag, I probably would. Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:31:27 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/lawmaker-have-the-people-of-hawaii-not-done-enough-we-gave-you-your-civil-unions-video/politics/2013/11/11/78495#IDComment748523539 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/watch-stunned-nom-chairman-testifies-at-hawaii-house-marriage-hearing/politics/2013/11/03/77929#IDComment744139777 He doesn't seem to advocating for a ban on non-procreative straight couples getting married. I wonder why? Personally, I don't think elderly people like Mr. Eastman should have the right to get married since he obviously can no longer repopulate the species. I be curious to find out if Mr. Eastman agrees with that sound reasoning. Further more, why haven't the FOUR non-procreative marriages of Rush Limbaugh had devastating effects on society? Why haven't the TWO adulterous marriages of Newt Gingrich destroyed society as we know it? It's almost as if their marriages have literally had no impact on anyone else's life. Shocking, isn't it? Sun, 3 Nov 2013 16:32:30 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/watch-stunned-nom-chairman-testifies-at-hawaii-house-marriage-hearing/politics/2013/11/03/77929#IDComment744139777 http://www.hawaiireporter.com/senate-bill-to-legalize-gay-marriage-not-ready-for-prime-time/123#IDComment744104289 A widowed mother can't marry her son because they're already related by law. Current marriage laws only allow non-related adults to marry. This is besides the point that incestuous relationships have always been frowned upon, and the risk of inbred offspring is also a concern. Currently, 95% of society has the right to marry the adult of their choice. The other 5% don't. This bill removes that discrimination. Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:38:40 +0000 http://www.hawaiireporter.com/senate-bill-to-legalize-gay-marriage-not-ready-for-prime-time/123#IDComment744104289 http://www.hawaiireporter.com/senate-bill-to-legalize-gay-marriage-not-ready-for-prime-time/123#IDComment744101530 "...but seem unable to see identical protections for conscience in the religious practice of INDIVIDUAL believers." Does the author have any idea what kind of Pandora's Box that would create in society? He is promoting the idea that people (that have simply CHOSEN to become religious) should be able to discrimination against anyone they want (preferably gay people), wherever they happen to be at the time. In other words, they get a free-pass to discriminate at will. So the Christian gas station owner could decide not to do business with customers that have a marriage equality sticker on the back of their car. They could also do the same thing if they saw a well dressed gay couple heading for city hall to get a marriage license, claiming that if they provided gas it would be contributing to an event that is against their religious beliefs... or how about the Christian restaurant owner that doesn't want to serve the gay couple, because they don't approve of their "lifestyle choice". Do we really want to see "No Gays Served" signs all over the islands? As for the baker that being forced to put butter cream frosting on a cake. I’d hardly call that a religious sacrament. Where exactly in the Bible does it say “Thou shalt not make thy cakes for sinners?” I’m also doubtful that the baker screens prospective straight couples to make sure that they haven’t sinned, before they agree to make them their wedding cake. So their position already reeks of hypocrisy. This is aside from the fact that these issues are extremely rare. In the state of Washington there has been one baker out of 7,000,000 people that chose to become the next Christian martyr. The vast majority of gay couples would not do business with an anti-gay baker. No one would financially support a business that doesn’t want them as a customer. So who exactly is the injured party here? The business owner or the customer that isn’t being treated like everyone else? Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:30:20 +0000 http://www.hawaiireporter.com/senate-bill-to-legalize-gay-marriage-not-ready-for-prime-time/123#IDComment744101530 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/breaking-hawaii-gay-marriage-in-danger-by-gop-lawmaker-suing-to-shut-this-whole-thing-down/politics/2013/10/31/77796#IDComment742859095 "The people thought they were answering the question once and for all." He's an idiot. Laws are NEVER permanent... even constitutional amendments. 50 years ago, when bigoted people voted for laws banning interracial marriage, they also thought they were answering the question once and for all. Of course those people also denied that they were bigots. History decided otherwise. -- He's also an idiot for using adoption as a means to discriminate against gay citizens. Procreation and child rearing are not required in order to be married. As a "lawmaker", he should know this. That being said, I will wager my entire life savings and say that this guy is a self-loathing closet case. He probably married a woman to please his God; and now he wants to make sure that gay couples can't get married because they should be forced to live their lives in an unhappy unfulfilling marriage like he did. I'd pity this guy if he weren't such a vile scumbag. Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:21:10 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/breaking-hawaii-gay-marriage-in-danger-by-gop-lawmaker-suing-to-shut-this-whole-thing-down/politics/2013/10/31/77796#IDComment742859095 http://www.hawaiireporter.com/house-judiciary-and-finance-committees-to-take-testimony-until-midnight-oct-31-on-same-sex-marriage-biill/123#IDComment742722034 I’ll save some people the hassle of testifying against SB1 by reminding them of a few facts: Religious arguments are irrelevant when it comes to civil marriage. Non-religious straight couples have *always* been able to marry in our country. You are not required to be religious in order to get married, nor are you required to get married in a church. Don’t confuse a non-legal religious sacrament for civil marriage. They are not the same thing. The state issues the marriage license, not the church. This issue is *only* regarding secular civil marriage that takes place at city hall. Your particular church will *never* be required to marry a gay couple (unless they want to — and some churches do). The First Amendment guarantees this. Civil marriage is not in the purview of the church. Arguments involving procreation are irrelevant as well. Our society allows the elderly, infertile couples, and those not wanting children, to be able to marry. Having children has never been a legal requirement nor an obligation in order to get married. None of the 50 states has a “promise to repopulate the species” clause in their marriage applications. The state couldn’t care less if married couples ever have children. Otherwise, none of the four non-procreative marriages of Rush Limbaugh would have been legal. One has to wonder, “Why Rush can marry four times, but a gay couple that have been together for decades can’t?” Why is the state going out of its way to discriminate against gay citizens? How does denigrating the lives of gay people benefit straight people? It doesn’t. That’s why SB1 should be law. Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:20:52 +0000 http://www.hawaiireporter.com/house-judiciary-and-finance-committees-to-take-testimony-until-midnight-oct-31-on-same-sex-marriage-biill/123#IDComment742722034 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/njs-barbara-buono-slams-gov-chris-christie-on-same-sex-marriage/politics/2013/10/09/76576#IDComment731891873 Christie said that he simply has a differing opinion on the subject. Of course he doesn't acknowledge that his simple "opinion" is harming thousands of lives, and is legally enforcing a second-class status on law-abiding taxpaying gay citizens. So, NO, it isn't just a difference of opinion that he's promoting. Perhaps the citizens of New Jersey should have the right to vote on whether or not morbidly obese people should be able to marry? I'm pretty sure he wouldn't approve of such a measure. Wed, 9 Oct 2013 13:46:37 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/njs-barbara-buono-slams-gov-chris-christie-on-same-sex-marriage/politics/2013/10/09/76576#IDComment731891873 http://equalityontrial.com/2013/09/24/new-mexicos-gop-legislators-file-brief-opposing-same-sex-marriage-in-state-supreme-court-case/#IDComment724829295 "The lawmakers said that “the judiciary should exercise caution when asked to divine fundamental and important constitutional rights not expressly provided in the Constitution’s text.” That's funny. Because usually these bigots claim that marriage is a privilege, not a right. I do think it's hard to argue that constitutional rights only apply to straight citizens, when they obviously apply to all citizens. There is also no need to "exercise caution" when 13 other states already permit same-sex couples to marry. Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:24:02 +0000 http://equalityontrial.com/2013/09/24/new-mexicos-gop-legislators-file-brief-opposing-same-sex-marriage-in-state-supreme-court-case/#IDComment724829295 http://www.hawaiireporter.com/hawaii-governor-calls-special-session-to-legalize-gay-marriage-glee-star-brings-hollywood-to-the-debate/123#IDComment719388206 As part of a gay couple that is legally married in California, let me just say that we've boycotted Hawaii for the past five years (thanks in part because of your homophobic ex-governor Linda Lingle); and we have no intention of spending our hard earned money at a vacation destination that doesn't treat its gay citizens with equality. Now multiply our stance by millions of other gay couples across the country, and figure out how much money Hawaii is losing every year by not supporting marriage equality. I'm sorry (some) churches don't want gay citizens to use the word "marriage" to describe their relationships. The funny thing is, they don't own the *word* or concept of marriage; and same-sex couples won't be getting married in their churches anyway -- that's what city hall is for. In other words, secular civil marriage isn't in the purview of the church; and the church doesn't have the right to force their ideology on the rest of society. Fri, 13 Sep 2013 14:49:53 +0000 http://www.hawaiireporter.com/hawaii-governor-calls-special-session-to-legalize-gay-marriage-glee-star-brings-hollywood-to-the-debate/123#IDComment719388206 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/1-russian-tv-anchor-triples-down-gays-deliberately-provoke-to-become-victims/politics/2013/08/13/73115#IDComment699698253 "They deliberately provoke situations, so that they become victims." The gay teen that was sodomized and murdered, simply wanted to go out on a date with someone. The only ones provoking the situation were the monsters that tricked him, tortured him, and killed him. The fact that this hate-monger is unable to acknowledge that reality is beyond contemptible. He is also an inhuman monster that should be condemned for his hateful rhetoric. Wed, 14 Aug 2013 15:37:24 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/1-russian-tv-anchor-triples-down-gays-deliberately-provoke-to-become-victims/politics/2013/08/13/73115#IDComment699698253 http://equalityontrial.com/2013/07/30/anti-marriage-equality-pennsylvania-protestors-restricting-marriage-to-opposite-sex-couples-is-just-discrimination/#IDComment690463505 "Marriages between same-sex couples, McMonagle said, are “inherently unequal because [they] cannot produce children.” None of Rush Limbaugh's FOUR marriages produced children. So when these bigoted homophobes force Rush (and every senior citizen and infertile couple in the country) to get a divorce, then they can use hypothetical children to discriminate against gay citizens. Until then, they might want to shut their ignorant pie-holes. Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:47:58 +0000 http://equalityontrial.com/2013/07/30/anti-marriage-equality-pennsylvania-protestors-restricting-marriage-to-opposite-sex-couples-is-just-discrimination/#IDComment690463505 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/supreme-court-marriage-decision-will-lead-to-imprisonment-for-christians-warns-crouse/marriage/2013/07/02/70348#IDComment672264488 "Keep silent about their faith or face not just being cast as a social pariah, but harsh retribution in the form of fines and imprisonment." That's funny, because for centuries gay people could say exactly the same thing about having to keep silent about their sexual orientation. But Ms. Crouse couldn't care less about that. It might be nice for these hate mongers to know what it feels like to be demonized by society. I'm not holding my breath, but it might be a good lesson on learning 'empathy' for other human beings. These people are completely incapable of doing that right now. Tue, 2 Jul 2013 17:28:24 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/supreme-court-marriage-decision-will-lead-to-imprisonment-for-christians-warns-crouse/marriage/2013/07/02/70348#IDComment672264488 http://blog.heritage.org/2013/06/19/equality-and-the-redefinition-of-marriage/#IDComment665724760 "No same-sex union can produce a child." Neither can elderly straight couples, infertile straight couples, and straight couples that simply don't want to raise children. Oddly enough, all of those groups have been able to marry in our country for over 200 years. Now, all of a sudden, procreation has become an issue because same-sex couples cannot biologically have children. The problem with your argument is two-fold: You aren't interested in banning non-procreative straight couples from getting married -- yet you are using hypothetical children as a means to disenfranchise gay citizens -- and you clearly stated that marriage only exists to promote procreative love, childbearing, and child-rearing. Sorry, but for your position to have any validity at all, you simply cannot support non-procreative straight marriages of any kind. Based on your ideology, the government would have no interest in allowing Betty White to get married. Luckily for Betty, you don't make the laws in our country. Secondly, you won't acknowledge that procreation has never been a legal requirement in order to get married. Your personal definition of marriage might be one of "procreative love", but that's not what our secular laws have said for centuries. That's why someone like Rush Limbaugh can get married four different times and never have children. So when you can explain how our government has benefited in any possible way from 23 years of Rush's non-procreative marriages, then I'll buy what you're selling. Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:23:13 +0000 http://blog.heritage.org/2013/06/19/equality-and-the-redefinition-of-marriage/#IDComment665724760 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/1-was-does-marco-rubio-hate-gay-people-so-much/politics/2013/06/14/68681#IDComment661133697 “I’m not for any special protections based on orientation.” But you ARE for special protections based on people simply making a choice: religion. "Hypocrite" doesn't begin to describe him. "Anti-gay bigot" sounds more appropriate. I have no doubt that he's faced discrimination based on his ethnicity. Which makes it all the more galling that he's incapable of having any empathy for gay citizens. Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:32:18 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/1-was-does-marco-rubio-hate-gay-people-so-much/politics/2013/06/14/68681#IDComment661133697 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/1-exclusive-fred-karger-now-that-nom-lost-in-court-well-finally-find-out-whos-funding-them/politics/2013/06/03/68027#IDComment655161580 I'm looking forward to Brian Brown being sent to prison for being found in contempt of court. Tue, 4 Jun 2013 00:23:02 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/1-exclusive-fred-karger-now-that-nom-lost-in-court-well-finally-find-out-whos-funding-them/politics/2013/06/03/68027#IDComment655161580 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/louisiana-to-make-surrogacy-illegal-for-same-sex-couples/discrimination/2013/05/30/67718#IDComment653092222 Why bother working on the economy or trying to create jobs when there are gay people to demonize? The world will be a better place when these bigots die off. I truly am sick of this blind hatred aimed at gay people. This is basically a "morality" law they're passing: Gay people are immoral, so I don't want them raising children. Prove it, assholes. You prove to everyone that all gay people are immoral (and would make bad parents), and all straight people ARE moral (and would make terrific parents). Here's a better idea: Keep your Bible out of our secular society. Because we all know where this anti-gay animus is coming from, don't we? Fri, 31 May 2013 00:37:41 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/louisiana-to-make-surrogacy-illegal-for-same-sex-couples/discrimination/2013/05/30/67718#IDComment653092222 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/heterosexuals-do-not-have-equality-cries-straight-pride-activist-group/politics/2013/05/30/67724#IDComment652887022 So who exactly is stopping these poor oppressed people from having a parade? I would assume that if you paid all the proper fees and licenses, they could march down the street and tell everyone how great it is to be straight. Of course, isn't that what virtually EVERY non-gay parade is... for straight people? Thu, 30 May 2013 18:37:14 +0000 http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/heterosexuals-do-not-have-equality-cries-straight-pride-activist-group/politics/2013/05/30/67724#IDComment652887022