en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/730256 Comments by critmass38 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98951889 You might want to google "WT7 collapse report" and download the NIST NCSTAR 1A report (1st hit). In addition to the report of the collapses it lists all the contributors and consultants, one of the heads of the many facets of the investigation involved metallurgical analysis of structural steel. What secrecy and extraordinary lengths are you talking about ? Document it from credible sources. Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:59:05 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98951889 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98946609 I evaluate each post on its own merits whether I usually agree with the author or not (which usually I emphatically do not). You've made clear your position, "I believe what I believe". That's clearly a statement of a faith-based positon. Some people would have added "and nothing will change my mind". "Nothing" would include credible evidence and facts. It's not surprising, studies have shown that friequently when believers are confronted with facts that contradict their beliefs they'll not only to continue to believe but even harden their belief. Apoligies for that human tendency is not required. Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:38:15 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98946609 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98932637 As you have observed, 596, I seldom agree with you, but I'm with you on this one. The "truthers" tactics remind me of the quote attributed to Lenin & Geobles (sp?): "if you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth". Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:38:05 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98932637 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98929173 No, you are off by many decades, long enough for me to become a "person of science" who knows how to differentiate between beliefs/claims and facts supported by evidence. If you've uncovered facts supported by evidence that has been compiled by experts in their fields and such evidence has been favorably reviewed by peers then by all means contact your congressmen and perhaps the Department of Justice. After all, we're talking about a conspiracy to commit ma*ss murder and there is no statuate of limitations. Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:13:59 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98929173 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98927706 Of course ! The explosives would have to have been placed in advance where the planes would strike, It's absolute nonsense. Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:03:10 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98927706 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98916716 I the quote is attributed to Carl Sagan, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", ( The structural designs of the buildngs involved were carefully examined by panels of experts and structural failure induced by the weaking of steel by heat generated by the burning of thousands of gallons of jet fuel was the fully reasonable conclusion. In the case of WT7 the failure of single critical support due to heat generated by fire burning for hours was determined to be the cause. No other factors were found to be necessary by the panels of experts, examining all the evidence, to explain the collapses.) Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:40:33 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98916716 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98908037 What a totally lame reply ! Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:43:58 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98908037 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98789730 ANTI-CONSPIRACY THEORISTS????? LOL-- talk about spinning ! What a perposterous statement ! If someone comes up with a conspiracy theory it's up to them to provide the evidence for it ! It's not being a "anti-conspiracy theorist" to demand evidence. That's like calling the defense attorney and jurors on a murder trial "anti-murder theorists" because they need evidence for the conviction. Tue, 14 Sep 2010 22:56:39 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98789730 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98745668 Oh, where would you suggest I look -- perhaps search "9-11 hoax", "9-11 the truth", "9-11 the goverment hoax", or perhaps "9-11 conspiracy" ? I'll betcha I'd get a bunch of hits -- presenting unsupported claims, "facts" that are facta in claim only, hearsay, and so on. Tue, 14 Sep 2010 17:29:27 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98745668 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98728464 The link is to a webite/blog by a "truther". Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:29:58 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98728464 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98728327 If all else fails claim it's "believing the MSM". So, you belive the "non-mainstream" media ? For just one piece of the 9-11 investigation you can GOOGLE "wt7 collapse report" and download the PDF files and read the report -- but I guess since it's on the internet it's "mainstream media" ? Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:29:02 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98728327 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98727358 What investigation -- "investigations" by individuals who have already made up their minds that there's a conspiracy and mostly just immerse themselves in the multitude of claims and so-called "facts" that simply arn't backed-up by credible evidence or are taken out of context ? Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:21:17 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98727358 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98726648 That's just a website/blog created by a "truther" and I see nothing that indicates it has any credibility. You can probably do a search and find websites/blogs that are established to present the "truth" that the World is flat. Tue, 14 Sep 2010 15:15:57 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98726648 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98718349 There "certainly is/was a mas*sive conspiracy" ? A claim -- where is the credible evidence ? "...Cannot eliminate the likelyhood... ? No I cannot eliminate the possibility that unicorns are real and exist but until I see the credible evidence I won't seriously consider that they exist. Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:11:41 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98718349 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98717880 1. The old "a bunch of information has been hushed up" claim. 2. Thoroughly debunked by who ? ( Answer: claims by bloggers) 3. What "scientific data" ? ( In what scientific journals has the data been evaluated and results published? ) Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:08:04 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98717880 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98711418 When hearing a conspiracy theory one should always ask questions. 1. How many people would have to be involved ? If more than a handful someone always talks (Example: Watergate) . 2. Cost benefit? Can a benefit clearly be identified and would such benefit be worth the cost? 3. How complex would the events of the conspiracy have to be? If other than simple, and especially if it can't be rehearsed, something will almost surely go wrong. Finally, apply Occam's Razor: If a simple answer explains the event, a more complex answer is unlikely to be the right one. Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:15:59 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98711418 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98710539 What is the name or other informatin for locating the claimed CNN poll and the credible source for the "6 out of 10" claim ? ( Note, a statement on some blog is not a credible sourece. ) The links provided are to blogs. Per Occam's Razor, "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" (the simplest answer is most likely the correct one) -- terroists seized airliners and flew them into the WTC and Pentagon. Any any other answer, such as a conspiracy, just explosively expands the complexity of problems that require answers to make a conspiracy answer plausable. ( The conspiracy theories are just based on hearsay claims without any evidence produced by scientific analysis (published) by boards of qualified experts. ) Tue, 14 Sep 2010 13:08:51 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2010/09/14/conspiracy-theorists-should-leave-911-alone#IDComment98710539 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/gazette-guest-columnists/2010/09/11/evidence-contradicts-911-crimes#IDComment98630630 Maybe the "Gazette" ain't the the "refute'n business". Yup, that "pictoral evidence" is all they need. That last sentence -- that's a dilly ! Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:51:22 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/gazette-guest-columnists/2010/09/11/evidence-contradicts-911-crimes#IDComment98630630 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/gazette-guest-columnists/2010/09/11/evidence-contradicts-911-crimes#IDComment98630106 What !!!! Grabbe is exposing himself -- the pervert !!!!!!! Those charges that were inaudible, that must have the the "Hushaboom" explosives talked about on the old "Rocky and Bulllwinkle" cartoon show. "Obvioiusly." Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:47:52 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/gazette-guest-columnists/2010/09/11/evidence-contradicts-911-crimes#IDComment98630106 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/gazette-guest-columnists/2010/09/11/evidence-contradicts-911-crimes#IDComment98629266 The answer ta the first paragraph, that's easy. The guv-munt learnt how ta do't it from the aliens they captured at Roswell, NM, years ago. As a reward the aliens are now living on a lux-ree island along wit ta people that was posed ta be on ta 4 planes but really wasn't and their all liv'n entained by Elvis and look'n at the tapes of their phony funerals. Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:41:49 +0000 http://oldgo.gazlab.com.php5-15.dfw1-1.websitetestlink.com/opinion/gazette-guest-columnists/2010/09/11/evidence-contradicts-911-crimes#IDComment98629266