en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/599372 Comments by corinthy http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-ridiculous-ending-to-the-gospel-of-mark/#IDComment26853133 Hey this great!! Since the mortality rate is 100%, and there are young children starving, why don't the humanists sacrifice themselves and their wealth to save them. You know keep the mindless propagation going for future generations to enjoy. That would be perfectly rational. Why don't the metaphysical naturalist contribute in the same way. You know that the universe will collapse in on itself at some point anyway. I mean you folks should stand behind what you believe. Excercise your "Enlightened Common Sense". I've got one question for you... Who's going to heal your broken heart? I have just witnessed some of the most carnal, grotesque, and destructive, thoughts of my life. And to think you would even dare to try to reason. Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:34:42 +0000 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-ridiculous-ending-to-the-gospel-of-mark/#IDComment26853133 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26744442 Hi Converse,__ The New Covenant has not come about to the House of Israel and House of Judah. Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant and the Jews rejected Him. A covenant may have conditions and prerequisites that qualify the undertaking, including the actions of second or third parties, but there is no inherent agreement by such other parties to fulfill those requirements. Desiples of Christ may consider themselves ministers of this covenant based on the language in 2 Corinthians. 2 Corinthians 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. The covenant also applies to a Kingdom...Remember Jesus came to receive a Kingdom? Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, “A new covenant, ” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Notice the language..becoming obsolete..growing old..ready to vanish away.. Thu, 9 Jul 2009 02:55:10 +0000 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26744442 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26592749 you write: I'm trying to find Jeremiah is writing to the "House of Israel" and the "House of Judah" not Christians and not the population in general. Do you see Judaism changed by the advent? You see it changed by the lack of the temple. So why do you say that this new covenant is late? God is eternal, this covenant is not a business agreement it is a matter of kinship unlike the previous one. Atonement is not the same as forgiveness, "says the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity." Is God late or is Judaism? Is something absent from God or from us? Read the prophet and see why the exile took place. Selah Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:15:20 +0000 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26592749 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26590646 please excuse the error in salutation. Jesus came to receive a kingdom. Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:28:40 +0000 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26590646 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26589676 I'm glad you are there! You find the method in which Jesus was sacrificed unexceptable according to the terms of animal sacrifice in Leviticus. Who says He was an animal? Often He is referred to as the "Lamb of God" sometimes "Lion of Judah" and other times, the true bread from heaven, rose of sharon, "Prince of Peace", Immanuel. If the sacrificial rites in Lexiticus were all that was required to please God they would still be in place. It would be sin as you will, just bring the payment. Does that make sense to you? And why do you constrain Christians in Judaism? I don't offer beasts to God I offer myself. Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:11:02 +0000 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26589676 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26521568 In response to Ayse: It is interesting that your prophet did not call Jesus son of Joseph? There is a big difference in the speech of Jesus and Muhammad. One say choose, one says submit. One says the wheat and the tares must grow together, the other says remove the infidel. And you are right many Christians do imitate unbelievers. Following the father of lies rather than a Father who is full of mercy and grace. Jesus of Nazareth spoke like no other. Actually other worldly. Who had heard of such things as; "love your enemy, bless those who curse you, Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven." These were hard sayings then and they still are. Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:42:25 +0000 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26521568 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26521061 In the salutation of the first epistle of Peter you find these words: She who is in Babylon, elect together with you, greets you; and so does Mark my son. You will of course note that there was no early Christian congregation @ Babylon. For an atheist there sure is a lot of theology going on here. Are you sure about your position? It is interesting how Jesus after two thousand years can cause us to sort ourselves.In the salutation of the first epistle of Peter you find these words: She who is in Babylon, elect together with you, greets you; and so does Mark my son. You will of course note that there was no early Christian congregation @ Babylon. For an atheist there sure is a lot of theology going on here. Are you sure about your position? It is interesting how Jesus after two thousand years can cause us to sort ourselves. Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:31:59 +0000 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26521061 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26521022 I guess if you are a Canaanite Jew you consider the that one you are calling God is in need of some kind of payment via earthly things to recompense for sin. The prophets and Jesus taught that God desired mercy not sacrifice. You see all of the earthly libations that you could offer already belong to Him, but mercy is yours to give. Being an atheist, you lack understanding of the scriptures. Jesus said that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. If you study His word you will then come to a new understanding of the prophets you are quoting. Jeremiah is speaking to a people of captivity. (Babylonian captivity) The prophet Isaiah wrote: The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, Because the LORD has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the CAPTIVES, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; Here you find the basics of the term "Gospel" Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:31:09 +0000 http://conversationalatheist.com/comments/comments-for-jesus-unacceptable-sacrifice/#IDComment26521022