en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/759294 Comments by comebackid3 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/isnt-migration-conflict-inevitable__trashed/#IDComment69975504 well i can see what your saying it be different about the war thing but either way its still immigration . no matter how you look at it, its people trying to go to a different part from where their coming from. So, just because we fought killed native Americans and Mexicans cant do that doesn't mean its any different if anything it just makes us look that much worse and we just got lucky with the scenario at certain times. now i don't think any illegal immigration is right, because a law is a law and if you break it, then that wrong and thats just the way the government works, but to say its different now is absurd Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:59:22 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/isnt-migration-conflict-inevitable__trashed/#IDComment69975504 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/how-am-i-not-a-racist__trashed/#IDComment69975053 i think that these are two different thoughts entirely. Just because you believe you have a better chance then someone else doesn't mean that's racist. i think if anything its cultural racism, because if you saw a poor white person on the street your obviously going to think you might have a better chance to succeed. i think racism is the feeling for hating someone because of their origins and how they live, not because you think you might be better off. but maybe im wrong and i am white and maybe i just cant see it, i think sam would just be proud im trying to think about it. Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:55:10 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/how-am-i-not-a-racist__trashed/#IDComment69975053 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment69973327 South Park has been a show that has been around as long as i could at least understand humor. At first i just liked it because it was a foul dirty mouth show that my mom and dad didn't want me to watch and so of course that's the only reason i watched it. but as i got older i really recognized some of the message they were started to get across and by college time i was in amazement how they could take a situation that was going on in the world, and really nail it and show you how stupid it is and what the lesson you should learn from the stupidity of some people. Well when i heard about this episode of Muhammad i didn't think much of it until they said they could get bombed for showing Muhammad on their show. I think i remember laughing out loud when i heard that. i just can't imagine a group being so mad to kil someone because they are going to show their version of their prophet, not even their god, and its going to be in cartoon form!!!! what these ignorant douche bag rebels don't realize is they already showed MUHAMMAD IN ONE OF THEIR FIRST EPISODES WITH THE JESUS IN A SUPERHEROS EPISODE! So it boggles my mind to judge a television show that is completely unbiased and has even showed him before but now you want to kill him if they show your prophet. im sorry i get what Sam says about most Muslims but you don't see anyone else going to this extreme for showing something on television. and they live IN NEW YORK CITY! they say shit like this, they live where September 11th happened and can still get away with this? you know why? because we live in America where even their free rights matter. So, i guess i just will never understand how you can be so thick headed and to watch their show and now threaten them. The south park creators wanted to show it but comedy central censored it, which is crazy to think they felt that strong about it. But Seth McFarlane, creator of Family Guy talked about this issue with Larry king said "how far do you take it, if its the funniest joke in the world, is it worth dying for, sometimes its just not worth it" but south park creators also talked about it, and said if they dont show it, hen they would be contradicting themselves from what they have done all their lives. So im really torn what i would do, i guess every person would be different, but i know one thing i really hope that these radicals are found and get what they deserve for threatening to kill someone if they show a cartoon of someone. As Jon Stewart said on his show the other day, Hey revloution muslims, Go fuck yourselves! Fri, 23 Apr 2010 19:40:37 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/south-park-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment69973327 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-the-men__trashed/#IDComment68407016 i feel that no matter what, that every guy in the world conforms some way to fit into society. i am from the so called boondocks, and i usually wear camo and boots and so on when i am in my home town. but when i go out to the city near us or to state college i feel though as i have to "dress up" so that i kind of fit in. i mean i know thats bad but until people can get comfortable with how people wear their clothes weather it be a Muslim or a country kid then i dont se people not trying to fit in. Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:19:58 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-about-the-men__trashed/#IDComment68407016 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/this-is-totally-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment66635675 well we all agree that this is something that is disgusting and wrong. but it brings up a good point that we wouldn't play this, but we play shooter games. yes there different, and you would say that you would never kill anyone. but if i said i would never rape anyone its the same, so how are they different? i think its sick but i don't think it should be censored if killing games aren't, its a double standard. i just don't get where in our society that we think its ok for kids to play killing games but not raping games? im not for or against either way its just a weird thing to think about. Thu, 8 Apr 2010 19:18:21 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/this-is-totally-off-the-hook__trashed/#IDComment66635675 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/i-really-want-to-know-also__trashed/#IDComment66634463 i just love the way he presented himself while asking this question. you cane easily see that he is a hard guy, that thinks he is what he is and he will never change for anybody no matter what. if you don't honestly your opinion has not changed on at least one of these topics, then you are kidding yourself. When Sam has said some of these topics of race and inequality and the Indians, i guarantee that you didn't know all that before this class, you might have your own little smug thoughts, but you didn't know the facts. So you find out the facts and your opinion no matter what you think, will change slightly now knowing what the true fact is. your knowledge changes, so your opinion changes. i agree to a sense about maybe not changing the way i run my life, im from a small town little diversity, and i like who i am and who i have become, so my life is going to get flipped around by this class, but somethings that i thought i knew were off and i changed the facts in my head, so in essence it has made a different. i understand the question isn't have you learned anything, but in reality its sort of the same question. its just to broad of a question, has my opinion changed on native Americans, yes, blacks, no. i mean to say you haven't changed your opinion on anything, even in the slightest, of what he has talked about is being a true ass hole, in my opinion of course. Yes i agree with some of the people at the top that he sometimes goes off topic, and says stuff in his opinion, but what teacher doesn't? most people probably heard about this class, heard it was easy and heard it was interesting so they took it. but when he gets into the controversial stuff, instead of opening your ears, you automatically judge, and then just call him crazy cause its not your opinion. i mean are you really that scared to change that whenever he starts talking you just need to think this isn't me, and not pay attention? also, i just think its hilarious that people are still talking about bleeding in this and about how he should not have brought it up, if you get that offended by it, that's crazy, its college, not 3rd grade, don't be IMMATURE PEOPLE. And people who say that he makes fun of God then gave us 200 words on why god is good? i am a christian and what you did there was pretty hypocritical, you bash the guy for talking about god in one way, then you talk about him in another. it all comes back to people cant take change apparently and they think they know all the right answer by 19. i just wish the people who said no opinion has changed, re-look at the class and notes and really think that theres nothing that changed in your mind? Thu, 8 Apr 2010 19:08:30 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/i-really-want-to-know-also__trashed/#IDComment66634463 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-if-we-got-rid-of-welfare__trashed/#IDComment65614351 i think if we got rid of welfare that our economy would be worse then it is right now. we need people to spend money for us to survive, so if we got rid of peoples money then we would hurt everyone else too. i don't believe people should get welfare and should have to work, but we started something like this we cant just stop it because like i said it would hurt our economy even more and ruin more then just the people who are on welfare's lives. Our social status would be ruined just as bad. so there is no good coming if we get rid of it. Fri, 2 Apr 2010 21:02:14 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/04/what-if-we-got-rid-of-welfare__trashed/#IDComment65614351 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/revisioning-the-revisioning-stage__trashed/#IDComment65612247 i am probably the exact opposite and born into an all white hometown and area. this at first wasn't a big deal because we lived next to a big city where there is a lot of colored people, but i never got that exposure that i should of and probably didn't hit the re vision stage till college. Also, taking this class made me realize how i thought all through high school about some colored people were wrong and very off. i am just glad that not just this class, but this school made me realize the truth and glad that i learned it now, before i got into the real world and made some really stupid mistakes Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:56:16 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/revisioning-the-revisioning-stage__trashed/#IDComment65612247 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/the-white-minorities__trashed/#IDComment65610776 this is a subject that i have heard my friends talking about for a long time, and when it gets brought up that white people will become the minority in the united states, i never could wrap my brain around that could be true. i mean i don't want to sound racist, but when you think of the word minority, most stupid people like me, think of a person of color, and to think now that the word minority will be going to white people. Its not a big deal in the scope of important things, its just something that will be changing the course of American history, so i think that's why people are talking about it and bringing it up. i think its pretty insane when i hear white people from my home town worrying about this transition. They say stuff like colored people are taking over and we are going to be extinct and soon enough we will be mistreated, and some even say that we will be not allowed to do anything but labor work. i cant believe people are actually thinking these kind of things. dont get me wrong, i definitely think that white people, once we are the minority, we are going to probably pay for what we did, but not to the extremes that some people are thinking. As a white person it is a little weird to think about this subject, and the only thinking i worry about is when my great grand kids are trying to get jobs, that they are not racially discriminated against. I know that this is obviously going on right now still very badly, but that doesn't mean it should continue when the roles are flipped. i am also not saying that this for sure is going to happen, i am just saying that how awful our race has treated everyone else, that there will be some backlash in the future that white people are going to have to deal with, which isn't fair. But altogether, hopefully people of color will be able to be treated equal and getting to important positions of power in business and politics, where they should be today, instead of the future. i realize this cant happen right away because there is still a whole bunch of white people living in the United states but it will happen but i don't think it will be as dramatically dropping after it hits about 50/50 just because of families white families who are still out there and such. i just hope when this transitions happens that it doesn't get out of control and people realize this is just how things work, and that there is not so much racism on either side and hope that it doesn't get to where we are thinking backwards and not forwards. Fri, 2 Apr 2010 20:46:10 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/the-white-minorities__trashed/#IDComment65610776 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/those-damn-dolls__trashed/#IDComment64268896 When Sam said that this video is one of the most disturbing videos that we would watch this year, i was a little skeptical especially how it started. but when it came to the survey they did about the the black kids and the dolls, disturbing might not be the right word, but it was definitely something i wasn't expecting. If you would have told me that a study was done with 21 black kids with a white and back doll and asked me how many kids would pick the black doll, i probably would have said that 15 would have picked the black dolls and not the other way around. i think for most of the kids in society and in this study, in my opinion, i just think it has to do with the majority white aspect to life. i think there is just a lot more white dolls made then there was black dolls, because marketing companies who make the dolls made more white dolls because there is more of a demand for the white doll because of the white majority. So some kids growing up in a small town could only buy white dolls because that's all they had in their area. But that still doesn't describe why some of the kids called the white doll the good doll and said that the white doll was more like them. but as you see in the video you see that the kids struggle to say that the white doll was like them, so they know they are more like the black doll but say there more like the white doll, i think, because of the way the media portrays the way the dolls are sold. What i mean is that they had their commercials and Disney had princess white because of the majority thing too. s , i think when kids see the white one they want to be like the doll they see, they don't see skin color but they see what the marketers are selling. i just think we should see this as a horrible thing by the marketers of he product, and not so much the child is wrong. if this was the case the other way around that it would have the same effects. So, i think that the company just need to make the same amount of each doll and sell each one in the stores, and i think you would see a bit of difference in the study done. So i guess what i am saying is that this is something that needs to stop, but i dont think its that disturbing knowing that all that happened is that its just another awful thing the the ad companies have done to brain wash kids. Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:37:56 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/those-damn-dolls__trashed/#IDComment64268896 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment64108418 there isnt a big deal with the menstrual cycle but it has to do with the graphic words he used. like i have said before, i dont get offended or thought it was disgusting, but when you talk about someones blood coming out of a vagina, a shelter kid from a christian school would probably take some kind of offense to it, im not saying its the right thing, but i can see where people who have never experienced it, can see where he took it to far. i think Sam was right, i just think its controversial because its the vagina and most people consider talking about that in public taboo. Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:41:25 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/whats-the-big-deal-with-periods__trashed/#IDComment64108418 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/if-men-could-menstruate__trashed/#IDComment64107957 im pretty much certain that if men had menstrual cycles that there's is no way it would be free because anything that someone can make a buck on they will, so i think that where thats coming from is the male dominated society, which i think she is looking to far into it. But i am on both sides of the bleeding debate, i don't get the not understanding of it or not wanting to talk about it side but also when sam said whats the difference? well its coming out of a place that is supposed to sexual, so itsw not the same as fingernails. it has to do with the vagina, so its going to be controversial Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:37:20 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/if-men-could-menstruate__trashed/#IDComment64107957 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-to-do-about-white-guilt__trashed/#IDComment63080514 i think she makes a really great point, but i don't know how that would work without having exactly what happened to the native Americans would happen to the African Americans. but maybe it would be ok becuase it has been so long since that happened, but i just dont think that would be the right way. i just think over time colored people and white people will soon be getting along a lot better because of a lot of it would have been so far back that most will just know through wise tales. and are generation when there older wont be as racist because we are a lot better off then we were 100 years ago. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:19:04 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-to-do-about-white-guilt__trashed/#IDComment63080514 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-happens-to-multiracial-people__trashed/#IDComment63078142 this is a great point, and me being a white male from pretty much all European ancestry i never thought about it, like most in this class. i guess if i had to give an answer it would be you would just half to put whichever you feel fits you best. i know that sounds really bad but if the question was just white or color then you would have to make a decision, so i guess that would be the best way to do it. or most the time people are rarely 50/50 for color,so i guess if you know you are more of one ethnictiy go with that, but that sounds childish too, so i dont know, but great question though Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:57:26 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/what-happens-to-multiracial-people__trashed/#IDComment63078142 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment63076928 I think this is a very good, and almost something that we were even talking about, but yet it becomes an issue. i think what he is talking about is when white people were supposed to be texting and said some rude things about black women in the computer lab, and everyone made a low grumbling noise about it, but in the same essence when black people were supposed to say how they feel about white people there were comments about Ugg boots and mayonnaise and stuff everyone either just laughed or nothing, nobody thought that was out of line. Let me make something clear, just as Sam said, there isn't much, if anything, that anyone could do to offend me, i have been thrown every word in the book, and it just doesn't get to me. So when im getting into this subject it doesn't mean im offended, i am just curious of this double standard. i just don't get how someone can get offended if you are laughing at one joke, but when a joke is directed at you,sometimes even the same one, its all of a sudden not funny. Now its fine if you dont laugh at your own racial jokes, but dont go around laughing in peoples faces when you hear one that's not about you. Now i guess it does come back to the class we had about white guilt. I do think that white guilt should be considered in most situations, like white people should realize what they did in their past to African Americans and native americans, but when it comes to jokes i think its stupid. People may think the people involved in those comments were being rude, but the people on both sides wither were probably just trying to be funny or honestly thought that, so why should that be something so awful to say. yes i understand that sounds bad, but once again i don't get offended so maybe i don't know how it feels to someone else. it also goes back to the question raised by my debate class, when we talked about how colored people can be racist but white people cant? if that's the case and people actually agree with that i would never respect them, because that would be the biggest hypocritical thing to say. i guess my final words are to the people that gasped at the black woman comment, if you laugh at other jokes, what makes that one so bad? i guess the quote, you can dish it out, but you cant get it back fits pretty well and would hope they really reconsider what they think is funny if something else is not Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:46:17 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/does-this-rudeness-thing-cut-both-ways__trashed/#IDComment63076928 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/prom-or-no-prom-just-dont-let-the-queer-students-dance-together__trashed/#IDComment61762992 this situation is very amazingly shocking to me not because of the school not letting the couples come because now a days nothing like this dont shock me anymore in this world that there is still prejudice like this but its shocking to me that they canceled the whole entire dance. its like this school decided they wanted to create the worst possible outcome and have this situation reported! i mean its just so outrageous to cancel a whole entire prom just because a girl wanted to wear a suit. i think i remember in my high school there wast any kind of rules against same sex couples coming and my high school was pretty strict on rules. the reason my high school or any regular high school for that matter, wouldn't do something like this and especially cancel the whole entire prom for the kids is because they are not trying to look like they are discriminatory like this high school is being. i just really don't even know how it goes through someones mind to think its a good idea of canceling the prom for everyone just because of a small so called problem like this. granted proms are not the greatest thing in the world, but its mind blowing to think that you could ruin a bunch of kids high school memories just because of a girl who got discriminated against. what people to this day don't get that its a lot like if a there a prom and all white kids and no black kids would be allowed to go. now a days that would be an outrage and would never happen in this country but stuff like this Mississippi school is doing is going on everywhere and it is not being treated as the same. as it says in the bible a sin is a sin,it doesn't matter which one you commit , its equally wrong. so to not allow someone to come to a dance just because she brought someone of the same sex would be like not allowing to bring someone of color, so why are we letting one happen and not the other? i guess also by canceling the event they probably thought they could avoid scrutiny , but in reality they did the exact opposite with drawing all of this attention from canceling it. they are hopefully getting what they deserve and realize they made a mistake and other people learn from this. i just hope for the future we will look back on this and see it a shame and see how it could ever happen and that the lesbian and gay community get treated with the right respect as they should from here on out Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:13:58 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/03/prom-or-no-prom-just-dont-let-the-queer-students-dance-together__trashed/#IDComment61762992 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment59986674 i am kind of on the fence with this one because i really agree with both sides. i definitely see how you could think that how could you not do something and explain to him that what he is doing is wrong. but i also can see the other side because it is his store and he has the right. when she talks about freedom, well he has the freedom to refuse anyone the right to buy something at his store, it might be really wrong but not still his right. and if someone is like that, your not going to say or do anything to change a crazy mind like that, so the only thing i feel really strong is that its wrong Sat, 6 Mar 2010 04:02:49 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/when-do-we-do-or-say-something__trashed/#IDComment59986674 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/a-long-long-way-indeed__trashed/#IDComment59984459 this along with a whole lot of other questions really make you realize how far we have come in a short amount of time. there is a lot of things in the past and present about such epic events like this that has taken so many years, but in might have taken us awhile to give African Americans rights, but when we gave away to some room, we made immense progress in a short amount of time. i just really think you got to look at this as the glass half full and one of the good things America has going for them today. Sat, 6 Mar 2010 03:54:47 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/a-long-long-way-indeed__trashed/#IDComment59984459 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-three__trashed/#IDComment58715323 this a great point and i dont think a lot of people are taking it seriously because we know nothing about it. Slavery was slammed in our faces for so long in the last century that we know about that and we know what we did and its talked about, so there was action taken. it really is just theres not knowledge about it, so what we dont know personally never happened to us, so how can we do something? and even when we knownow, there just a small percent so, it still doesnt gets talked about because theres only a select time sthat a group of people are going to know about this, so it never gets brought up. Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:25:18 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/native-americans-question-three__trashed/#IDComment58715323 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/inequality-class-comment__trashed/#IDComment58714952 i like this post because before this class i would have said you make a mistake then you make a mistake its your own dam fault, but now seeing the difference of people being treated if you do one bad thing then it could affect you and your family forever, and especially for black and brown people, and im not really sure what the question was but i totally agree with this statement now, and yeah you might make a mistake but it sometimes falls on other people for not giving you an equal opportunity to come back from that mistake. Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:21:17 +0000 https://www.racerelationsproject.org/2010/02/inequality-class-comment__trashed/#IDComment58714952