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Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/18/09: The Handshake That Has People Around The World Talking

Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:49:37 +0000

I have only read about half these posts an am amazed of the statements that have not a thing to do with the principles above or freedom. This side track crap is what has got Americans where they are today. I admit the spending Obama has done bothers me. Why? Because it is government who owns nothing, creates nothing, must by force tax me for Obama and other Politicians to do what they want. It does not matter how many approve of him or not. Approval ratings that are like votes are not a thing more then majority rule suppressing the other half. Lost of freedom. As far as Chavez is concerned. I am not going to judge his heart that I do not know. Or what his smile or hand shake meant. I am for open trade with all countries. I will not suppress them if they do not agree with me over how to run their country. At least sort-of they did vote for it down their. Most do it at flat gun point. As far as any country hatred for us or having arms. How do we know--what if all this army intervention is causing all the hatred? We have troops in over 130 countries. Bring them home and defend our borders. I believe we are very capable of doing that. I also believe there is not country that can stand against us. Moreso, when one believes and fights for freedom. Freedom that our constitutional fathers fought for is principled men who no one can stop. Especially if we had a strong economy. Because the economy we have is because of the needless spending of government. Weather it be for welfare, schools, parties, or wars. The government and you an I can not afford. When one can not afford it. They should worry. To that I am worried. Because Americans have squandered their wealth away on frivolous wars and politicians and Americans wanting something from government. I want not a thing from government, but to protect my borders. To that as an old man, I will not fight again a frivolous war of aggression. I will not volunteer or encourage one of my children or grandchildren to participate in. Diffidently not call it patriotic. Principled men one should fear. Get principle.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/14/09: I Guess The Other Pirates Don't Have Cable News...

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:31:44 +0000

I think not. They talk again and again about their recruiting. Hmmmm--Gez--I am going to be there recruiting also for Beck, Campaign for Liberty and looking into others. I met a miltia bunch in Ohio and had a great discussion with them on liberty. Not one of them were extremists. yes, we had a great time at the range and talking some gun talk. That is why you recruit before the other side gets into their heads. As long as they propagate liberty--I will recruit--individual freedom applies, take your choice of which org. you want to join.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : The 9/12

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:13:12 +0000

There is some good ones in there and I gladly agree with some of them. I wished you would have argued the demise of one or two of those quotes I sent. Thomas Jefferson. probably the most vocal of all the forefathers or at least the most quotes written. Has written on both sides of the issue. As I post for another that one must go over them all and try to understand their thinking. One can not just say he is a liar on this quote and honest on that. One must assume all are honest and what is his ideology or belief. Those I quoted were very blunt, so how would one dismiss them? No this is not a war of quotes. Unless one chooses not to engage themselves to answer to them. Hitler claiming a Christian? That is some of the problem. People look around them and say this is Christianity. Is it? Just because one claims it? I partially agree with Barry Goldwater and have stated my reason and what was wrong with it from principles to you. You never engaged those principles. Can I assume you agree? disagree? "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?" Thomas Jefferson. These questions were in relation to a further thought. I will have to search and find the train of thought. Yes, many religions have done things in the name of religion not so noble. That can be said of many other organizations from gangs up to governments. Does not one give up their freedom when they join a group? Does not that make it easier for one to deny another or abuse another their freedom? Maybe we should outlaw all gatherings? If done would not that deny freedom? "I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians." You did not put who this quote came from. I heartily agree. There are many in the pew that never engage Christianity. Their are also many in the pulpit and on the board. Why would it be written, their will be many that say, "Lord , Lord, and He will say, I know you not." Then name one on earth that was perfect, because you will only find one that ever lived. "Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion." -Steven Weinberg Not familiar with this fellow, but will address it anyhow. The majority in this world claim they will get to heaven based on what they have done and then they set the standard to get there. Seems pious to me. This idea is Found in most religions, not true Christianity as Jefferson claimed. Even tho many claim themselves Christians then go to works to get to heaven based on how they define good. So there is good doing evil by majority of the world. Thomas Paine, the Bible has been read by more and examined less then any other book. I could not agree more. Does that make the book less truthful? Or just not understood? I think the latter is what Paine was pointing to and making a call for indulgence of. He would not have written a theological book if his passion of indulgence was not there. There, i engaged a few of your quotes and shown the principles and ideology behind them. Please engage my quotes and even comment on this one. For this is not about publishing quotes, but understanding those quotes and truthfulness from perspectives. The question still stands---was the constitution formed on Christian Principles. Point one--The framers said so.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : The 9/12

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:01:27 +0000

Personally I am not sure why he put that their. Except our forefathers seen this in claiming the Creator in the constitution and has much validity from their Christian Principles. "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" Thomas Jefferson. Recognizing a supreme being have created us, means He is the only one any of us answer to. I do not answer to you and you do not answer to me, but we all have to answer to our Creator. If one believes there is naught, then upon death they will know, dust or meet thy Creator. No skin off my nose but I will tell of the truth, "He is Risen." and gives me my liberty to do good or bad and He will judge.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : The 9/12

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:54:18 +0000

Theodore was a progressive along with Wilson. With those Presidents came the Federal Reserve or Printing Money. The Judicial system saying they did not have to look to the constitution anymore for decisions. Encouraged by TR so he could claim the states as a corporation that allowed Federal Goverment to dictate welfare and work programs. This opened the door for massive Federal intervention and taking States sovereignty away. Need I go on?

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : The 9/12

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:39:37 +0000

If one goes and reads many of the writings of our forefathers they would find they based the constitution on the Christian Principles. They loved religion, Christianity they loved. Declared even if man forgot God, they would be in chains of tyrants. The problem exists that many just look around them and say this is Christianity. One must go back to our forefathers and ask. How did you perceive Christianity. As one said, "this is true Christianity." Chirstians today do not perceive the Crusaders Christians even tho they had the name. The main stay was in recognizing a Creator. When one recognizes a creator they have to recognize the creators rights to his creation. That created individual liberty freedom idea. That I have no rights over you any more then you have rights over me. That is God's right or Creator rights.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : The 9/12

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:27:37 +0000

Opinions are just that an individual thought. Is that individual right or wrong? Who is to decide if that opinion is right or wrong? Who judges my opinion? Valid questions from individual liberty. Thomas Jefferson said, "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" So no one has a right to force their opinion on another. Argue, discuss is not force. Walk away if you had enough or you think their rationale is not valid or more importantly. You decided you will do it your way and believe what you want. If you think that sex, rock, and roll is only thing in life. That is your entitlement between you and God. This is not about who is right or wrong This is about you searching for the truth and if you decide to seek outside counsel. That is your choice. Posting here is seeking outside counsel or an endeavor to put what I or you think is truth up against another thought of what is truth. Yet, in the end, it is each individual who decides on their own.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : The 9/12

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:48:42 +0000

John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." Adams also said, "From the day of the Declaration . . . They [the American people] were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledged as the rules of their conduct." Daniel Webster said, ""Finally, let us not forget the religious character of our origin. Our fathers were brought hither by their high veneration for the Christian religion. They journeyed by its light, and labored in its hope. They sought to incorporate its principles with the elements of their society, and to diffuse its influence through all their institutions, civil, political, or literary." Noah Webster said, ""The religion which has introduced civil liberty, is the religion of Christ and his apostles, which enjoins humility, piety, and benevolence; which acknowledges in every person a brother, or a sister, and a citizen with equal rights. This is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free constitutions of government." Thomas Jefferson said, "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" Patrick Henry said, "It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." I think that sums up our forefathers thought of the the constitution being Christian Principles.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/12/09: Compromise Reached on North Korean Statement

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:44:27 +0000

Get out of the UN and I do not care what Iran or N.Korea does. If they fire one missile this way. It will be shot out of the air. Hell on earth will be theirs, brought to them by freedom loving Americans. Freedom Loving Americans do not have the capital to monitor the world with armies in 130 countries.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/12/09: 2 More Banks Fail. That Makes 23 ... So Far

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:37:19 +0000

I always say, "I want not a thing from government and take not a thing from me." Is that to hard to understand. It just appalls me that all over everyone of my representative websites. They ask you to contact them if you have a problem with a government agency. Gez, yeah, there existence.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/12/09: 2 More Banks Fail. That Makes 23 ... So Far

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:23:50 +0000

Better check Wells Fargo bank rating Bro. Not good at all.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/12/09: 2 More Banks Fail. That Makes 23 ... So Far

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:21:24 +0000

Mainly because it does not exist. If you had an account since 9/11 you would know the data of self information one must deliver to get an account. Short sellers do not move a market very far from reality. The Hunt brothers, oil rich, could not even corner the Silver market and went broke. Oil--Bottom line--Iran, Venezuela and others cut their production to run the price up-of course our stupid laws of no drill here--gives no free market---when price went up--two things happen---one the fantastic Barak oil reserve was discovered here in America and Americans cut consumption down and the roof fell in. Easy credit had a lot to do with it also as most Americans have been tapped out for some time. If you want to blame Saudi for something. Blame them for buying gold since their currency is tied to ours and they are scrambling like mad to protect themselves. Our inflation is directly connected to all spending or easy credit. All those imports in excess of exports is debt from easy credit or inflation building. Not counting American credit card, bubbled houses and the list goes on. When the oil pinched Americans pocket book they contracted their wallets and the easy credit bubble collapse bringing on deflation. pretty simple actually. When you think many Americans borrowed their income or more then.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/12/09: 2 More Banks Fail. That Makes 23 ... So Far

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:09:59 +0000

Really if everyone was responsible as liberty and freedom requires. They would do as I have done for years. Every year or two. I check my bank out for stability. High cash to debt ratio. If they do not pass, I move my money to the bank with a five star rating and closest to me. If all Americans would have been doing this, Guess What? This problem would not have existed, because every bank that offered easy credit would have there depositors pulling their assets. Thereby, closing that bank. What a novel idea, America.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/13/09 - On Obama's Orders, Navy Seal Snipers Free American Sea Captain

Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:53:06 +0000

Defense at high sea. That is libertarian as it gets. Not far from our first war with Pirates at high sea. Wished government would think of more constitutionality for their other actions. I want to give praises to the Captain. Who offer his life for his men, knowing full well it most likely would not turn out as it did. Sometimes men of valor are rewarded with freedom. God Bless

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : The 9/12

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:49:30 +0000

I have stated four facts as I see them. You have addressed none. I have even stated problems within the cause that you have not addressed. If your wanting to just argue, forget. If you want a discussion address each an every one. It is futile for you to chose which one's you think important or I pick which one's. It is also your duty to prove it was built on a secular basis. Not a thing is gained by one or the other choosing to bully the other by doing what we want without respect to the others ideas. Right or Wrong in our own eyes is not justification to make the case as each one sees it. That is quite fair by libertarian view, unless you want to state the case otherwise. Here is three to start and i repeat: 1.One love is free choice as the Bible teaches it. It also states that all the commandments can be summed in love. How can one have choice with out freedom? 2.I mentioned our forefathers and their belief in God stamped all over the forming of the constitution and letters written. Including the Federalist papers. If you want I can bring a whole list of documents, but since your well versed you know this. 3.The constitution states my rights are from my Creator. The original text was from God. Changed. Either case it recognizes a God or superior being. Natural law tells one that what ever one creates they have rights to it. To do with it as they wish. It is only that creator that can take those rights away or hold one in judgment of. This is libertarian too. That you have not created me so you have no rights over me. Now I will address the one point you mentioned. If I missed another please advise. How can a God judge to hell a man with free choice? I ask the question how can a God be perfect if He judges not? It is your choice to do as you want. Yet like our law of liberty, man can not coerce on another. Cannot take his life or steal his property. Can liberty be liberty when a judge stands not against my transgressions? Would not one expect anything less from a Perfect God/Creator to judge for your transgression on another of His creation? Yes, in the name of Christianity there has been many evils done. Could it happen again? Does it mean in the name of Christianity they honored Christianity? I think not. Many Christians have not imposed anything on others and no one recognizes them for liberty.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : The 9/12

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 03:21:43 +0000

No, I am not implying anything with religion or mises, just a sound libertarian site and discussions. You seem to try and read to much into things. Just like the video, just simple sound explained liberty. Sometimes there are no irrational or wasting of time, but straight forth to the point. Saves lots of typing. I can distinguish those who are lazy. Our country was meant to be secular to protect religious beliefs. I disagree. I believe the principles formed were to protect individual freedom. They did not care what you believe when it came to freedom. I am sure they did care as these men were vocal but believed it was each man,s choice. First let me again point out. I personal do not think it a big deal one way or the other weather it was or was not built on Christian Principles. Many do and will destroy the movement from both sides of the issue, because of fear. Fear that one will demand that religion be removed as government is doing now. Including removing artifacts that have anything to do with the mention of God in the museum from our forefathers. Fear that morality will be forced upon them by the other side. Both of these fears come from those that see our present party system beliefs and are real. Till Love is freedom of choice. Freedom allows everyone to to make their own choices. That was my original statement and stated many did not see that. It is taught in scripture that love allows choice. I do see that taught. Where the most I can do is try to persuade men, and shake the dust off my sandals if they chose naught and move on with my business. Another point is that our Creator holds our rights. You have no claim over me. Only my creator has rights to make demands of me. How you perceive your creator is your concern. God has made this clear through out scriptures that he will take care of his creation. He is the only one with rights to judgment. If you want to deny it. No skin off my nose, judgment day will tell us both on bended knees or grave dust. I believe, my choice.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/9/09 - 4/13/09

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:51:14 +0000

I could not agree with you more on the buying of votes. Weather they be a pack of smokes or Wall Street donating five to one to save their tails. It just shows where the two parties have taken us. Do not forget the millions employed by government that cringe when budget cuts are mentioned for votes or retirees. It took me awhile to explain this to my aging parents as they felt they deserved it at the expense of their grandchildren and great grandchildren. Studying history it seems that 1913 was the beginning with the creation of the Federal Reserve. Then came the judicial system that claimed they did not have to go back to the constitution for law. Then ruling that states are corporations that the Federal government could rule over. It has been an 100 year journey. The problem is-now things are moving fast and people see it and are worried. Right to be so. The real answer is in the constitution and libertarians believe the same. That is there should be no coercion upon another or a group of people on another. That is the principle we want for politicians. That does not allow government to create many institutions or do much for anyone without coercing some one else or stealing from them. Like Beck says, we have to become responsible for ourselves. I wish you well on your journey in freedom Educating is the best I know. I talk everywhere I go and look for opportunities to explain freedom.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : The 9/12

Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:37:11 +0000

If your not new to libertarian views or the constitution. You would have recognized that video and knew what I believe as a constitutionalists. I think it can not get any more blunt about coercion or liberty then that video. Secondly if you knew the history of our government. You would know that the majority of our founding fathers believed in God or Christians. And you would also know that very few of those who did not. Were first to suggest they go across the street to the church and seek Almighty wisdom when they could not come to an agreement. Even though they did not believe in God, they knew it worked to come to agreement. Yes, they took out God and put in Creator in the constitution. One of the forefathers wrote. Come to America where people honor God, and their are no atheists. Yet, they welcomed who ever came, and I agree. The moral majority mission was to get Christians out to vote. The downside was they sought the same old politicians of two party system that is not much different in principle. The constitution or libertarian view begs to differ on principle with both sides. That was a mistake. A bigger mistake is people that do not explain how it agrees or does not disagree with their faith, but takes up arms against them. Driving them deeper into liberal conservative Republicanism. Just like your fear that I may coerce you, they feel the same about you. Fear drives both of you. Your fear is so deep you did not even check out the video. If you want more studies in libertarian views. Try http://mises.org/ and very excellent essays on freedom and government or http://www.lewrockwell.com/ Better to attend Mises in person.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/9/09 - 4/13/09

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:12:12 +0000

I gave you the cure, Education. Your and my teaching them what liberty is. Not acting like those in office and dictating who will vote and who will not. Acting as if it is a moral majority or mob rule voting system is the answer. Most Americans are afraid of what the majority will dictate them to do. And this country was built on individual freedom. Our government has been practicing that for years, majority vote. The American voting system has been changed since our forefathers. Americans now favor mob rule. They also have put rules to favor lobbyists to pay the way for votes. Once you agree to join them in power over others. That is majority rule or dictatorship. Then individual freedom that Beck talks about is gone for ever. It only matters then who the majority is. Individual freedom does not care about what the next guy does. Everyone is responsible for themselves. Education is the cure not the treatment. The treatment is voting some law with out changing the man's heart or belief.

Glenn Beck - The 912 Project : 4/9/09 - 4/13/09

Sun, 12 Apr 2009 02:27:36 +0000

Does it really with liberty or freedom? if one has liberty or the right ot believe anything. Then what is it that we deny a vote? As one of the forefathers said, "This government of freedom is yours, see if you can keep it." paraphrased. Why not all of us go about educating others in what freedom is. It is ours to keep or lose.