bronamaria

bronamaria

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379 weeks ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Spain \'to take Gibral... · 0 replies · -1 points

Deary deary the level of ignorance is truly worrying here go get the history book go get it .

379 weeks ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Spain \'to take Gibral... · 0 replies · 0 points

just out of curiosity - what is the name of the enclave in France?

379 weeks ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Spain \'to take Gibral... · 0 replies · -1 points

Like I said "an informed opinion" and not the result of perusing biased articles with no respect or interest in historical facts/ my "potted" opinion comes from documented fact.

379 weeks ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Spain \'to take Gibral... · 0 replies · -1 points

.... Gibralter is notorious for its corruption and blasé attitude to the law: they carry out repairs to British submarines carrying nuclear warheads which absolutely contravenes international law, they constantly usurp Spanish airspace and jurisdictional waters illegally extending runways into Spanish territory, they reside on the Spanish side of La Linea but do not pay taxes etc. as do the rest of the second class Spanish citizens. King Philip V under the Treaty of Utrech in 1713 ( stipulated in no uncertain terms in the same treaty) that this did not give the British territorial jurisdiction over Gibralter and there would be no open access road between Gibralter and the neighbouring country.

379 weeks ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Spain \'to take Gibral... · 0 replies · 0 points

Under the rule of the Catholic Kings Isabel and Fernando, Melilla was conquered in 1497 as a fortress to prevent future invasions by the moors. Again, Melilla as you can see is and has been a Spanish city for no less than 516 years (another little drop in the ocean) ....Those who question the ´spanishness`of said cities are probably unaware that Morocco did not exist as a nation until 1956 YES 1956. On another note, the island of Menorca under the treaty of Amiens was handed back to Spain by the British in 1802 and yet they do seem to accept the spanishness of this island....

379 weeks ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Spain \'to take Gibral... · 0 replies · 0 points

_____para IntenseDebate _____________Ceuta belonged to Portugal until 1580 when, under the reign of King Philip, Spain and Portugal became one nation. In 1640 the two kingdoms separated and Ceuta, by referendum (peoples´plebiscite) decided to continue as part of Spain thus becoming the ONLY Spanish city to choose its nationality. Therefore, Ceuta has belonged to Spain for the last 433 years.

379 weeks ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Spain \'to take Gibral... · 0 replies · -2 points

On another note, the island of Menorca under the treaty of Amiens was handed back to Spain by the British in 1802 and yet they do seem to accept the spanishness of this island.... Gibralter is notorious for its corruption and blasé attitude to the law: they carry out repairs to British submarines carrying nuclear warheads which absolutely contravenes international law, they constantly usurp Spanish airspace and jurisdictional waters illegally extending runways into Spanish territory, they reside on the Spanish side of La Linea but do not pay taxes etc. as do the rest of the second class Spanish citizens. King Philip V under the Treaty of Utrech in 1713 ( stipulated in no uncertain terms in the same treaty) that this did not give the British territorial jurisdiction over Gibralter and there would be no open access road between Gibralter and the neighbouring country.

Last but not least I cite "is the gibraltarian peoples´choice not relevant? Ha Ha I don´t remember the Irish being asked if they wanted to be invaded by the British .........

379 weeks ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Spain \'to take Gibral... · 0 replies · -1 points

Ceuta belonged to Portugal until 1850 when, under the reign of King Philip, Spain and Portugal became one nation. In 1840 the two kingdoms separated and Ceuta, by referendum (peoples´plebiscite) decided to continue as part of Spain thus becoming the ONLY Spanish city to choose its nationality. Therefore, Ceuta has belonged to Spain for the last 433 years. (a drop in the ocean acccording to your logic).

Undeer the rule of the Catholic Kings Isabel and Fernando, Melilla was conquered in 1497 as a fortress to prevent future invasions by the moors. Again, Melilla as you can see is and has been a Spanish city for no less than 516 years (another little drop in the ocean) ....Those who question the ´spanishness`of said cities are probably unaware that Morocco did not exist as a nation until 1956 YES 1956.

380 weeks ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Spain \'to take Gibral... · 4 replies · +3 points

Really ignorance is a terrible thing but it can be helped by looking up your history book (you CAN go to the local library if not). Ceuta and Melilla were built by the Spanish when the Kingdom of Morocco didn´t even exist. Nomadic tribes moving from one place to another which is what was happening at the time ...... an informed opinion is always a good idea word smith.