en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/651191 Comments by berndtc http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment92318069 Unlike religions, science continuously offers facts and proof. If you want to see delusions instead of factual findings, so be it. If you want to declare the infallibility of an unproven god, so be it. You should seek professional help. Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:08:47 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment92318069 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment92216897 Gee, I guess that means the original article about the DNA in the sponges was totally useless. After all, the work was done by deluded, blind, scientists whose reasoning and experiments are subject to delusion. Yeah, I see clearly now, all things perceived by humans are subject to being false. That must also include gods, since they are perceived by humans as well, or created by them. If you don't trust your senses that's your problem. It's easy to dispute or discard anything if you rationalize it as delusion. Science is the study of phenomena, If you prefer to debate that go ahead, but be prepared to prove god, unless you wish to admit that your “perceptions” of it are possibly false. Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:31:05 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment92216897 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment92009689 Gods are not in this plane of existence, if they exist at all. A god is, by nature, unproven and unprovable, that’s why religions rely on faith, and that’s where science and religion differ. Science studies the events that occur around us and attempts to explain what causes them. Religion tries to explain things science hasn’t explained yet. (Example; in the far past people believed thunder and lightening were caused by angry gods. I think we’re past that now.) As for you one god, well that’s your BELIEF, and you’re entitled to it. Good luck. Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:10:52 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment92009689 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment92009527 Skeeve, check you outgoing mail for viruses, I rcvd. 3 copies of this e-mail. As for your statements concerning sensory organs, I have seen wonderful examples proving the evolutionary development of these organs. They are easy to find. As for the physical phenomena around us, there’s the Big Bang to thank for that. Yes, scientific findings are challenged, changed and discredited, but who does the challenging, god? No, other scientists do, and that underscores the difference between science and religion. Scientific hypothesis and theories must be falsifiable, that is, one of the basic tenets of a theory is; other scientist must be able to disprove it! How do you disprove a god? You can’t! Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:10:34 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment92009527 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment92004363 As was pointed out by the scientific agencies I cited, we can expect extreme weather swings as the earth gets hotter due to AGW. (NOAA report) The rains we get will most likely not be the type needed to grow crops, they will most likely be of the increasingly common flood types we are beginning to see now, the type that wash away top soils and ruin arable lands. As I said, Greenland would be about the only one to gain arable land, but if the area is in drought or receives, mostly, monsoon type rains, that will be of little help. And anyway, it will not offset the arable land that will be lost due to lack of water, due to loss of glaciers. Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:52:41 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment92004363 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment92004321 The American Heritage® Dictionary - (2 definitions) 'glaciate' (glā́shē-āt́, -sē-) [Latin glaciāre, glaciāt-, to freeze, from glaciēs, ice.] (transitive verb: -at·ed, -at·ing, -ates.) 1.To cover with ice or a glacier. 2.To subject to or affect by glacial action. 3.To freeze. As you pointed out, we are in an INTERGLACIAL period and have been for about 11,000 years. Because we are in this INTERGLACIAL period, the glaciers are slowly melting, supplying the rivers that people use to irrigate and grow crops. When the glaciers are gone there is no more water to grow crops. Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:52:29 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment92004321 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91984691 Global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases, according to the report. Many types of extreme weather and climate event changes have been observed during this time period and continued changes are projected for this century. Specific future projections include: •Abnormally hot days and nights, along with heat waves, are very likely to become more common. Cold nights are very likely to become less common. •Sea ice extent is expected to continue to decrease and may even disappear in the Arctic Ocean in summer in coming decades. •Precipitation, on average, is likely to be less frequent but more intense. •Droughts are likely to become more frequent and severe in some regions. Gee, does this mean we can talk again now, or do you want to study-up a little? Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:06:20 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91984691 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91984546 Expect More Droughts, Heavy Downpours, Excessive Heat, And Intense Hurricanes Due To Global Warming, NOAA The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change previously evaluated extreme weather and climate events on a global basis in this same context. However, there has not been a specific assessment across North America prior to this report. The report is based on scientific evidence that a warming world will be accompanied by changes in the intensity, duration, frequency, and geographic extent of weather and climate extremes. [--] "We will continue to see some of the biggest impacts of global warming coming from changes in weather and climate extremes,” said report co-chair Gerry Meehl, Ph.D., of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo. "This report focuses for the first time on changes of extremes specifically over North America." Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:05:19 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91984546 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91984473 At a meeting of the American Geophysical Union (December 17, 2008), scientists detailed evidence in support of the controversial idea that the introduction of large-scale rice agriculture in Asia, coupled with extensive deforestation in Europe began to alter world climate by pumping significant amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere over the last 1,000 years. In turn, a warmer atmosphere heated the oceans making them much less efficient storehouses of carbon dioxide and reinforcing global warming, possibly forestalling the onset of a new glacial age. Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:04:54 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91984473 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91984442 From Wikipedia” “The Earth has been in an interglacial period known as the Holocene for more than 11,000 years. It was conventional wisdom that "the typical interglacial period lasts about 12,000 years,”but this has been called into question recently. For example, an article in Nature argues that the current interglacial might be most analogous to a previous interglacial that lasted 28,000 years. Predicted changes in orbital forcing suggest that the next glacial period would begin at least 50,000 years from now, EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF HUMAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING (see Milankovitch cycles). Moreover, ANTHROPOGENIC FORCING from increased greenhouse gases might outweigh orbital forcing for as long as intensive use of fossil fuels continues. Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:04:43 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91984442 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment91981694 I choose to be guided by fact and reason. You can be guided by belief and visions. Good luck Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:46:58 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment91981694 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment91860303 And the same applies to your beliefs in god, they are unreliable and untrustworthy. Better try science, it can be tested for validity, gods can't. Tue, 10 Aug 2010 01:31:09 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment91860303 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91859746 Greenland might pick-up arable land, but it and the rest of the world will loose water for crops. The glaciers are extremely important water sources for literally millions of people. W/o them water wars will result, as will food wars. You're nuts. Arable land w/o water is worthless. Tue, 10 Aug 2010 01:27:17 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91859746 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91855258 The total glacier area in Xinjiang, home to two-fifths of China's glaciers, has shrunk by 20 percent and snow lines have receded about 60 meters since 1964. CAS statistics show the internal temperature of the glaciers has risen by 10 percent in the last two decades, Xinhua said. Beijing has become increasingly concerned about global warming, as studies show glaciers retreating on the Tibet-Qinghai plateau, where the country's largest rivers originate. Global warming could bring drought to China's arid regions and flooding to low-lying cities and arable land, scientists warn. Summer flooding along the Huai River in central China has forced about half a million people to evacuate their homes in poor villages in Anhui, Henan and Jiangsu provinces Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:53:18 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91855258 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91855226 The No.1 glacier in the Tianshan mountains has lost 20 million cubic meters of ice in the past four decades, and split in half in 1993. The eastern and western sections are receding by 3.5 meters and 5.9 meters every year, said Wang Feiteng, an assistant researcher with the Tianshan Mountain glacier monitoring station under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS). "Like the hard drive of a computer, glaciers record how the environment has changed. Warm weather has been the major cause of the glacier's retreat," Xinhua cited Wang as saying. China has about 46,000 glaciers, totaling 60,000 square kilometers, primarily in Tibet and Xinjiang. Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:53:02 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91855226 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91818546 About the Cap and Trade issue, I agree. If we do cap and trade the rich will only get richer and, as usual, the rest of us will pay for it. I suggest a Cap and Rebate system. If the permits are sold/ traded the money is returned to the people to help pay the bills. How's that? Cleaneer air, less AGW, more for us. Only the idiots who want to support the rich could b*tch about that. Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:27:38 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91818546 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91817627 Excellent! Now let's see if we can get some of the lazy liar-deniers to start conserving. Other then the wierdness about the glaciers, The more the better. BTW: (The loss of glaciers is part of the reason for the rise of the oceans.) Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:21:49 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91817627 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91782530 My death won't correct the problem, it will only serve to give those who are too stupid to see the problem a little undeserved relief. Whereas, if you died it would slightly help to correct the problem by removing a contributor to the problem. So, for the greater good, why don’t you die now? Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:40:32 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91782530 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91782015 Why don't we ALL conserve wherever possible. Don't drive as much. I ride my bike when possible, do you? Unplug what you aren't using. I unplug my computer and power strips when they’re not in use, do you? I turned my air conditioning UP 2 degrees this summer, and I will turn down heat DOWN 2 degrees this winter, will you? Press the government to stop generating power with coal and oil. I do this, do you? I am saving money for solar panels, are you? I have found that people who are too damned lazy to take any initiative to correct a problem love to deflect criticism of their failures by trying to belittle those who are doing something. Which group are you in? I think we know. Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:36:55 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.38c8278cce4be52e17a4e0f3ece9e44a.4b1&show_article=1#IDComment91782015 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment91775737 Skeeve, thank you! You said "The god I believe in..". Belief marks the division between science and religion, between Evolution and Creationism. Science is based on observable events facts and the study of those events and facts. Religion is based on the belief in an unproven, unprovable, god, that’s why it’s called “faith”. Without this demarcation the two areas get really confused, and people start thinking religion is scientific and science is a religion. Thank you, your statement speaks volumes. Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:54:20 +0000 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.164cb673ff6be58ac04d2d437af7e912.4d1&show_article=1#IDComment91775737