en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/578129 Comments by barbaragrn08 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2416#IDComment27317266 Hi Scriptfoo, I promised myself I wouldn't come back here, but I got the email with your reply and couldn't turn my back on you. You strike me as someone who is passionate and thoughtful (and yes 912ers that is possible). You seem to grasp that freedom of speech is a right granted for the benefit of the UNPOPULAR. A popular opinion has no need for such protections. I suggest that you read Starving the Monkeys by Tom Baugh. Most people could never finish that book (much less the extensive reading list he assigns), because they are the, come on, I know you can guess it.... Just because someone mouths words that sound right does not mean that they comprehend the actual MEANING of those words, as evidenced by the complete lack of comprehension of free speech in this forum. Read Starving the Monkeys and I'm sure something in it will offend you. It did me, but I cheer the fact that he's saying it. I've even come to realize that the thing that offended me was actually RIGHT. I never would have had the chance to learn and grow if I had followed the lead on this site. Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:21:58 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2416#IDComment27317266 http://www.the912project.com/912reading/#IDComment27314477 Glad to see you're following the reading list. It's tough, but worth it. I'm still working on it. Atlas Shrugged rocks! Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations is an timeless eye-opener also. I'm amazed that there are so many truly important books out there that I had never encountered. Anyway, as you can see above, I'm outta here, just wanted to answer you before I go. See you on the other side. Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:34:57 +0000 http://www.the912project.com/912reading/#IDComment27314477 http://www.the912project.com/912reading/#IDComment27314184 Hi TomBaugh (Tom Baugh?), thanks for the reply, and thank you for writing this book. I've been out of town for a while and just checked in only to discover the anti-free speech movement on Vent. They don't seem to understand that free speech only matters when someone is unpopular. A popular opinion has no need for such a right as they won't be challenged anyway. After reading your book, I can clearly see monkeys as they prance about mouthing words they don't comprehend. It seems like too many of Glenn Beck's followers are are exactly the kind of people you describe in Starving the Monkeys. Even a guy who had been a victim of the "shut up and fit in" crowd has now joined them. Sad. I can almost see the Lamists picking up their stones and heading over to Jean's house. I've decided to leave the 912 project. I'm going to move on and start doing my part to set things right. Thank you! Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:30:32 +0000 http://www.the912project.com/912reading/#IDComment27314184 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2416#IDComment27312374 I've been watching the firestorm over Jean Chauvin. I'm so very disappointed in you all. First of all, I'm a woman. I consider myself very capable and tend to beat men at a good many endeavors. I believe men and women should be free to compete with one another on a level playing field, and I do mean level. If a woman can pass a man's fitness test in the millitary, then she should be there. Not have a special test just for her. Ditto for every other field out there. I do not fear the opinions of ANYONE. I refuse to allow my feelings to silence the voice of ANYONE. I thought that was what this group was about, but when push comes to shove, you react just like the left. I'm saddened to see that the best of humanity still wants to act like a highschool clique. So, so long 912. I'm moving on to a group that actually wants to accomplish something. If any of the rest of you have a desire to find fertile ground for independent thought, I wish you luck. It's out there, and if you're willing to see and think, you will find it. Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:01:10 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2416#IDComment27312374 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2416#IDComment27311847 Redarm, I don't know if you remember me, but I came to your defense when you were being attacked on this site. You were having a bad day and simply spoke your mind and the cliques descended upon you like fire and brimstone. And now here you are, playing the "you can't say that" game and bumping and thumbing like a teenage girl. Free speech. What a lost concept. But, hey, you have some brownie points now, so congratulations on fitting in. I won't be at the popular kids' table. I'm going to go hang out with some folks who actually want to accomplish something. Like maybe defend free speech. Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:52:30 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2416#IDComment27311847 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26802491 You are right, of course. But, either way, we go to jail. I would rather become more self-sufficient, have less income and thus less tax burden and watch them whither without the revenue stream. I've been accused of wishing for a new Dark Age with this strategy. I believe we are already in a new Dark Age. Environmentalism is the new religion and the king is tied at the hip to it. No science matters, no logic matters and all who disagree are subject to inquisition. The difference is that in the modern world, we can take them down quickly with nothing more than not taking a vacation, not buying a new car, growing a tomato, keeping a chicken, and trading with our neighbors. Without the cash, their own minions will tear them apart. Dark, yes, but also doable. And unlike the last Dark Age, we can rebuild very quickly. Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:01:13 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26802491 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26801822 Did anyone else catch the Fox News interview of Obama by Major Garrett (in Russia I think)? How did Fox get a private sit-down with BO? I thought they were getting frozen out by the administration. Could this have been a payoff for not covering the tea parties? Just wondering... Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:51:36 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26801822 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26801375 I would love to agree with you, but I just fear that the progressives have "bought off" too many people at this point. How do you convince someone who is receiving a government check to vote against themselves? Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:44:43 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26801375 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26801036 Sounds great, except that the government would never do away with the previous taxes. They would just add the new one, promising, of course, that the old taxes would be phased out over time. That's only reasonable, so that the system would have time to adjust. Except that the phase out will never happen, we'll just enjoy a new additional tax. Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:39:12 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26801036 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26800783 Because that jury would most likely be composed of those receiving a government check. Then we would be as guilty to them as a member of the mob. People on the take from government programs each believe themselves to be absolutely entitled to their goodies, and will gleefully rip anyone to shreds who threaten that source of money. The only option I see is to not owe the taxes in the first place...... Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:35:37 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26800783 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26424078 Redarm, try to calm down. I know how you feel. I spent the day being attacked by a guy who I now don't think is even a real person. When people start arguing semantics, it's not a real argument. You just hurt their feelings. Unfortunately, even here, people's feelings are more important than reality. I respect and admire Sarah Palin. But, I'm becoming suspicious. Her speech was stressed and overly scripted. I just got the feeling that she's having her strings pulled. Not sure yet whether it's via blackmail or reconstruction by professional handlers. Time will tell. Mon, 6 Jul 2009 00:16:16 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26424078 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26422651 Yes, info carries more weight when people find it for themselves. Nobody likes feeling like they've been led into something and will fight even obvious information when they get that inkling. I don't believe the press or politicians are shooting straight with us, so that leaves us with only the "kook" possibilities. Getting kookier every day. Heck, I just spent half my day arguing with someone who probably isn't even real on this site. A veteran who doesn't know what chaff is, yeah right. I guess now I'm supposed to spend the rest of the day trying to figure out why. Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:44:47 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26422651 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26422148 Dude, I just looked at your bio. You're a VETERAN and you didn't know what CHAFF is? You're not a real person, are you???!!!! Shame on me for wasting my time... Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:33:25 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26422148 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26422006 Thank you for crediting me with Thomas Paine's words, but I really don't think I deserve it. I admire him, but I can't take credit for his work. I know Beck used Paine's words to fill half his book, but I that's just not my style. Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:30:39 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26422006 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26420858 You get it. Why is it that we women seem to be having to grow a pair here? Where are the real men? Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:06:55 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26420858 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26420682 Just what do you think I'm implying? You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you? I'm trying to prevent bloodshed and retrieve our personal freedoms. I don't give a damn about a movement or numbers or marketing. Collectives got us into this mess. You're proving that a collective has no hope of getting us out of it. It's always been up to individuals. So it will be again..... Sun, 5 Jul 2009 23:03:33 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26420682 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26419242 It's easy to explain. Some will. Some won't. There are those that take and those that are taken from. Talking will not turn one into the other. With all due respect to Rush and Glenn, education is not the problem. They know. Just like the thief coming in through your kitchen window. Want to try to "educate" him on why he's wrong? Let me know what hospital you're in and I'll send flowers. There is a book. You just have to invest the time to read it. I can't do it for you. Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:34:28 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26419242 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26417962 LOL, I'm so glad you have a dictionary! Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:09:53 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26417962 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26416857 Chaff is used to confuse an oncoming missile. The aircraft gets lost in the chaff. I'm sure there are some prior military types out there that can explain it better than me. Those flurries of bills are just to confuse and distract us, while the ones they really want sail right through. I'm very disappointed in the outcome of the marches and rallies. Please, tell me how they've helped. Other than show how terribly outnumbered we are and let them know that they can accelerate their agenda. I'm convinced that this social event strategy is not working. It makes us feel good to meet up with like-minded people, but that's not the same as actually accomplishing something. I've found a way to actually do something. We all have to find our own way. I can't lead you there by the hand, you have to care enough to find it. Good luck. Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:48:04 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26416857 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26404485 You can bump me down if you like. Yes, I am in a bad mood today, but somebody's got to say these things. I've never been a cheerleader for anybody and I won't do it now. Results matter. I'll drop Beck just as fast as I dropped the RNC. I love Palin, but I'll drop her too if she looks like a game player. I believed in the tea parties at first. Ok, I was wrong. They're NOT working. If anything, they're working against us. That matters. Sun, 5 Jul 2009 18:29:55 +0000 http://theglennbeck912project.com/?page_id=2331#IDComment26404485