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10 hours ago @ Mark Reads - Mark Reads 'Snuff': Pa... · 0 replies · +1 points

I did not any of that and it's fascinating! Thanks for sharing.

10 hours ago @ Mark Reads - Mark Reads 'Snuff': Pa... · 0 replies · +1 points

I just...I can't wrap words around this.
It is hard to talk about without feeling like I'm trivializing it. There are no words.

10 hours ago @ Mark Reads - Mark Reads 'Snuff': Pa... · 0 replies · +3 points

Seeing Vimes channel Vetinari in the first encounter with Stoner is everything I could have wanted.
YES THIS

There's an impatience to dealing with the greater issues here that wasn't present, at least to this level, in previous Discworld novels..... But I wonder if this is also an impatience of Pratchett himself, knowing his end is coming and seeing the world continue to make the same mistakes, carry the same bigotries, and maybe he thought there'd been enough waiting for something better to develop already, and the screaming is an author who is tired of quieter approaches.
I've noticed the same thing. I haven't read the whole series - only the Watch books, Moving Pictures, Small Gods, the Truth, Going Postal and Making Money. But of those books, this one definitely struck me as the darkest. I already thought that in the goblin cave when Vimes was describing the corpse of Pleasant Contrast. We've seen violence and darkness in the DW books, but here they are depicted in a way that's way more visceral and shocking than before.

But more than that, she didn't hang onto the resulting pot until she could place her child's soul into the next baby of her own, but hid it in a cigar so it could be sent as far from this hell as possible.
And now everything is even more upsetting :(

11 hours ago @ Mark Reads - Mark Reads 'Snuff': Pa... · 0 replies · +4 points

LOLOLOLOLOL VIMES IMITATING VETINARI
I think that may have been the funniest moment in all of Discworld for me. (Also LOL at Willikins "overhearing on account of listening at the door"!) Yet, great as that was, Feeney might well have out-Vetinari'd Vimes by hiring Stinky. What an ingenious move! WIthin just a couple of days, Feeney's one-man shop has become an accelerated microcosm of the way the Ankh-Morpork Watch diversified under Vetinari and Vimes, and Feeney himself has basically turned into a mini-Vimes. He comes of age damn quickly but it's so rewarding to see him grow like this. Who else wanted to cheer when Feeney wouldn't turn a blind eye <3 And he and his mom really have each other's backs - it's lovely.

Of course, this funny and uplifting scene is followed by the most wrenching. Wee Mad Arthur finds the plantations of Howondoland... and their goblin slaves. Who are not only pressed into labor but brutalized and killed. This was some of Pratchett's darkest writing ever. My heart broke and broke as I read his description of the goblin whose suffering Arthur ended.

I really don't know how this will be resolved. Even if Vimes takes care of the magistrates, any other rich person could take over those plantations and bring in goblin slaves from anywhere else on the Disc. How can Vimes and Vetinari stop the whole world from running exploitative plantations all the way in Howondoland? The magistrates (and Rust's son, I guess) surely cannot be the only people on the whole Disc to have stumbled on the idea of using goblins or other races as slaves...

This really was the best section of the book by far.

Misc. thoughts:
-The other goblins got kidnapped :(:(:( DId they take Tears of the Mushroom too? :(
-"What is normal? Normal is yesterday and last week and last month taken together." I might have to put that on a T-shirt, what a great line.
-LOLOLOL Feeney schooling Vimes on country birds

1 day ago @ Mark Reads - Mark Reads 'Snuff': Pa... · 0 replies · +12 points

Ditto, but not only that - Carrot himself, looking like the pinnacle of manhood despite considering himself a dwarf, has likely never been the target of discrimination. But Angua constantly hears invectives against werewolves (not necessarily directed at her, but just general discrimination towards werewolves). So Angua can understand how such discrimination might make someone turn against their own culture. It is sad, as Carrot says... but in a different way than he means.

2 days ago @ Mark Reads - Mark Reads 'Snuff': Pa... · 0 replies · +10 points

Also relevant to Discworld: Yesterday I had the pleasure of seeing Rembrandt's Night Watch in Amsterdam. It really is stunning in real life, and I just had the best time imagining the flag-waver in the back as Reg, the captain as Vimes and his lieutenant as Younger!Sam <3

2 days ago @ Mark Reads - Mark Reads 'Snuff': Pa... · 1 reply · +14 points

"The melting pot melts in one direction only." WHAT A LINE. I loved Pratchett's examination of the immigrant experience here. Being an immigrant myself, I could so easily recognize facets of myself and people in my community in Billy Slick. Billy is an immigrant who has come to disdain aspects of his own culture. Carrot finds this sad... but of course, Billy might not feel that way if he weren't discriminated against by his adopted culture. (I guess adopted is the wrong word here but I can't think what would be the right one.) It's a dichotomy that I myself have experienced - of feeling closer to the culture of the country where you live, of feeling disconnected from your own culture, but at the same time being the victim of discrimination from your adopted culture. It's hard to be an immigrant and not to feel at least a little lost when it comes to these things. Pratchett captured this perfectly.

I also love that through Billy, we see a goblin whose religious beliefs diverge from the majority - a race always has more nuance when it isn't painted as monolithic, after all.)

And of course, through Precious, Pratchett touches on yet another aspect of the immigrant experience - that of first or second generation immigrant kids who have no interest in discovering their ancestral roots, or who feel underwhelmed or let down when they try to do so.

All of these are heavy topics, but I really appreciate that Pratchett was able to integrate them into a fantasy book in such a simple and concise yet thought-provoking way.

It was a treat to see the Watch working together in this section. While the Vimes sections have been very good, for me the Watch books really sing when the whole ensemble is featured. As we're coming to the end of Mark's DW read it's nice to spend some more time with the characters we've come to know and love.

3 days ago @ Mark Reads - Mark Reads 'Snuff': Pa... · 0 replies · +3 points

So the Summoning Dark knows everything that ever happens in darkness, and by extension so does Vimes? That seems like a super clumsy deus ex machina from Pratchett to move the plot forward, I have to say... It took me so much out of the text that I couldn't appreciate the rest properly, although Feeney blossoming under Vimes's mentorship is an utter delight.

1 week ago @ Mark Reads - Mark Reads 'Snuff': Pa... · 0 replies · +10 points

Case in point: "that young goblin girl Miss Beedle has been teaching to talk." No, Sybil, she's being taught to SPEAK MORPORKIAN, she could already TALK, but Sybil grew up believing that the goblin language didn't qualify as language at all.
Excellent catch. This speaks to just how easy it is for prejudices to become entrenched in even the most open-minded people. We really do need constant vigilance to eradicate discrimination...

On the other hand, Vimes is still a cop and an authority, and I think we're all uncomfortable with the idea that cops or authorities should EVER believe situations exist where "You know what? In this case, the rules are less important than the result." We all know where that path can end.)
I get the feeling that Vimes is bringing Feeney along precisely so he doesn't have to bend the rules. Feeney has the jurisdiction, and Vimes is making him write down every single thing that might turn out to be a clue. I'm guessing he will try to steer Feeney towards the solution so that Feeney will carry out the arrests of his own volition.

Vimes lived through Night Watch and the Unmentionables. If that doesn't make him wanna stick by the rules nothing will.

1 week ago @ Mark Reads - Mark Reads 'Snuff': Pa... · 0 replies · +11 points

"Sometimes you had to take a look at yourself and then look away."
Ooof. Sometimes Pratchett really knows how to get you right in the gut.

I was a bit confused by this chapter to be honest. We'd been led so far to think that "goblins eat babies" was just a racist untruth perpetrated by non-goblins. But now everyone is acting as if that's the actual truth but we still have no confirmation that this is anything other than heresy. So is it true or not?? And if it is true... wow, I maintain that this really is turning out to be the darkest of the Discworld books I've read so far. A.E. Pessimal's (so happy to get an update about him!) speech on dreadful algebra was striking and thought-provoking. I hope Vimes gets the assholes who force goblins into such desperation that they have to resort to that.