en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/22527672 Comments by Vos https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095871752 It’s interesting that none of them (I understand they like to refer to themselves as “hard-line Brexiteers” — I guess there are other terms that could be used) never seem to reply to sensible and logical arguments. And of course, when Boris compromises (which he undoubtedly will) and we move to some sort of deal (sic) they will be first to proclaim his “victory”. Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:42:37 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095871752 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095871230 Looks like Boris has let you down again. Still supporting that the talks continue. Love to see your reaction when he compromises to get a deal — which he will. It will be so funny seeing “hard-line Brexiteers” (your words) trying to justify that. Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:12:44 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095871230 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095871090 And once again you fail to explain why your hero did not call it a day today. After all we have such sunny uplands with a No Deal Brexit. The talks continue. Boris will compromise. And his fan boys will look stupid. Sun, 13 Dec 2020 13:02:46 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095871090 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095868443 Good — so if I understand you correctly, if he doesn’t halt the discussions today, you will lose respect for him ? Even worse (from your perspective) I assume if he compromises for a deal you will regard him as a liar and a charlatan ? Is that right ? Sun, 13 Dec 2020 10:25:52 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095868443 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095868339 So why doesn’t Boris stop the discussions now ? Sun, 13 Dec 2020 10:21:18 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095868339 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095868314 Right so tell me why isn’t he doing it. I would suggest that it is because he knows that No Deal (also known as the Australian deal or the Somalian deal) would be very disruptive. Surely he should just follow your considered advice — why doesn’t he ? Sun, 13 Dec 2020 10:19:43 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095868314 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095868276 If No Deal is so wonderful why doesn’t Boris just end the circus today and just say we are now going to trade from 1st Jan on WTO terms Sun, 13 Dec 2020 10:17:15 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/the-real-deadline-for-the-brexit-trade-talks-is-december-31.html#IDComment1095868276 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/ambitious-energetic-but-quiet-on-the-culture-wars-a-year-on-from-johnsons-stonking-majority-what-have-we-learned.html#IDComment1095838063 I’m a Conservative. Old school. One nation. Not like the recent Momentumesque UKIP entryists Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:49:35 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/ambitious-energetic-but-quiet-on-the-culture-wars-a-year-on-from-johnsons-stonking-majority-what-have-we-learned.html#IDComment1095838063 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/ambitious-energetic-but-quiet-on-the-culture-wars-a-year-on-from-johnsons-stonking-majority-what-have-we-learned.html#IDComment1095837439 Hate to break it to you, and it may come as a shock, but Corbyn isn’t the head of the Labour Party Fri, 11 Dec 2020 22:10:30 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/ambitious-energetic-but-quiet-on-the-culture-wars-a-year-on-from-johnsons-stonking-majority-what-have-we-learned.html#IDComment1095837439 https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2020/12/george-freeman-ministers-need-to-make-covid-a-catalyst-for-a-serious-community-health-crusade.html#IDComment1095832395 It is an interesting question. The average life expectancy of a newly born baby will soon be over 90y. Sadly according to a recent ONS study healthy life expectancy has not kept up with greater longevity. We will have lots of old people with no one to care for them and draining much more of our health services resources. It’s a problem across all the developed world. Fri, 11 Dec 2020 17:12:11 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2020/12/george-freeman-ministers-need-to-make-covid-a-catalyst-for-a-serious-community-health-crusade.html#IDComment1095832395 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-johnson-tells-business-to-prepare-for-no-deal-again.html#IDComment1095816945 aBC of trade deals — the larger party carries all the power. It really astonishing how little some people understand about how trade negotiations work It would be identical should we be negotiating with the US. Thu, 10 Dec 2020 23:24:51 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-johnson-tells-business-to-prepare-for-no-deal-again.html#IDComment1095816945 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/when-does-the-talking-stop-being-talks.html#IDComment1095812970 Well, why doesn’t Boris just walk away ? Wouldn’t that be the answer to your concerns ? After all, it would be simple wouldn’t it ? Thu, 10 Dec 2020 17:50:54 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/when-does-the-talking-stop-being-talks.html#IDComment1095812970 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/when-does-the-talking-stop-being-talks.html#IDComment1095809038 This is a key point. We own property in Germany and Italy. We spent a lot of time there (pre Covid) but never really felt European, per se. This is unlike particularly our German friends who feel passionately about the EU project. For me it was always about economics (and why I supported Remain) but feeling “European” wasn’t really important to me. Thu, 10 Dec 2020 13:17:33 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/when-does-the-talking-stop-being-talks.html#IDComment1095809038 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/when-does-the-talking-stop-being-talks.html#IDComment1095808955 I guess you are right. It’s where politics will meet economic reality. Logically economic reality should win, but I acknowledge politics is more likely to triumph, especially as politicians make the decisions. Thu, 10 Dec 2020 13:10:11 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/when-does-the-talking-stop-being-talks.html#IDComment1095808955 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/when-does-the-talking-stop-being-talks.html#IDComment1095807666 The faux bravado on here is most amusing.there will be a deal and Boris will compromise. Economically (which is all that matters) the UK cannot cope with the fallout of coronavirus and a no deal Brexit. Allied with the inevitable pressure from a Biden administration all leads to a deal. It is just that Boris will package it as a great victory (remember the WA) but that’s fine. Everyone can just get on with their lives. Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:20:33 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/when-does-the-talking-stop-being-talks.html#IDComment1095807666 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/goves-bargain-to-break-the-deadlock-on-trade-with-ulster-leaves-big-questions-unanswered.html#IDComment1095798291 Of course it will. The DUP were too stupid to realise the inevitably of the situation. May’s deal with the backstop (if needed) was the best they were ever going to get (though it would have caused huge issues for the rest of us). Can’t say I feel too sorry for them — rather nasty bunch with antiquated social views Thu, 10 Dec 2020 00:25:58 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/goves-bargain-to-break-the-deadlock-on-trade-with-ulster-leaves-big-questions-unanswered.html#IDComment1095798291 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/hancock-the-india-rubber-man-deserves-credit-for-the-vaccine-success.html#IDComment1095788026 As is Boris’s new Chief of Staff, Dan Rosenfield Wed, 9 Dec 2020 12:47:46 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/hancock-the-india-rubber-man-deserves-credit-for-the-vaccine-success.html#IDComment1095788026 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/hancock-the-india-rubber-man-deserves-credit-for-the-vaccine-success.html#IDComment1095785116 Well to be fair, neither China or Russia have shared the data behind “their” vaccine so there is no evidence that it is either effective or safe. The Pfizer vaccine has gone through regulatory review, the data has been posted publically by FDA (Adcomm today) and the AZ data has been published in The Lancet Wed, 9 Dec 2020 09:49:59 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/hancock-the-india-rubber-man-deserves-credit-for-the-vaccine-success.html#IDComment1095785116 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/hancock-the-india-rubber-man-deserves-credit-for-the-vaccine-success.html#IDComment1095785044 Time to lie down Grandpa. It’s all over Wed, 9 Dec 2020 09:45:44 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/12/hancock-the-india-rubber-man-deserves-credit-for-the-vaccine-success.html#IDComment1095785044 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-90-year-old-margaret-keenan-becomes-the-first-to-receive-the-pfizer-biontech-vaccine.html#IDComment1095774962 It’s part of the ongoing surveillance which is standard practice in vaccine trials Tue, 8 Dec 2020 23:29:31 +0000 https://www.conservativehome.com/video/2020/12/watch-90-year-old-margaret-keenan-becomes-the-first-to-receive-the-pfizer-biontech-vaccine.html#IDComment1095774962