en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/599179 Comments by TomBaugh http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34672437 Hi Revolt76, thanks for posting. I agree with your statement "Prepare to fight or be prepared to accept what you are given." However, there is a right time to fight if you want your fighting to be more than pointless self-sacrifice. Remember the "whites of their eyes" idea? When would be a better time to fight oppression, under current circumstances or during the middle of what would essentially be a nationwide Katrina? Remember, during a limited Katrina it took the resources of a nation, then some, to keep a lid on things. Now imagine 300 simultaneous Katrinas, plus, which is what we would have if the monkeys began fighting each other, and us, for food. If we back away until they are sufficiently self-defeated, then the remainder of the situation is relatively easy to handle. As far as the recovery, if you get a chance read Herman Kahn's book "On Thermonuclear War". The first third of this, which is the most relevant part, is available online somewhere. I have a link to it on my site. That book, from the Rand Corporation think tank was written from the perspective of 1960 America where most people were still productive and had character. The central premise was that there are two countries, the urban A and the rural B. The idea is that if A Country was totally destroyed B Country could rebuild in ten years and in the meantime the US would still have been the world's most powerful economy. Now imagine a scenario in which all of the resources of A Country remain intact (roads, most buildings, etc.), but the leeches which now infest it have been removed. Recovery should be even faster. Think of this as a neutron bomb that has the most dramatic effects on those who have chosen to be the most dependent on handouts and regulations (yes, that even means some on here who depend on regulations for a living). I make my living with technology and teaching. But, in a crisis I am more than willing to help my chicken farmer neighbor keep his houses running and fix his tractor, and help him get a pyrolysis plant running to keep his houses warm in the winter. Not as socialists, but as free traders who both benefit by trading our best work to others for theirs. Between the two of us we can trade chickens to the guy who has cattle, and the three of us can trade food to the guy who can fix diesel engines, and so on. And not a tax dollar spent on any of it. With a continent to plunder for parts your millions can eventually get the pipelines running again and power plants operating and nuclear arsenals manned and factories built etc. If someone is willing to get his hands dirty and his mind educated and trade fairly with his fellow producer, there is nothing to fear about where we are headed. Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:06:53 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34672437 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34619844 Hi GeoatBeck, I suppose you have me there. Despite my claim that flocking behavior explains what would appear to be conspiracies, my assertion that Beck is already in possession of his list of 56 and is simply waiting to dribble it out as carefully staged marketing does appear to claim conspiracy. Hmmm. What if major parties like the GOP actually enlist the aid of people like Beck to re-elect their guys in a seemingly apartisan way? I wonder if that qualifies as flocking or conspiracy. Certainly those on here, for the most part, aren't in an inner circle, but instead will flock to support Beck in response to their zeal to fix the country, which serves the purpose of a GOP circle that stands to benefit. Wow, I'm going to have to think about that! I would also classify Hillary's assertion of a "vast right wing conspiracy" to be more of a "vast right wing flocking" since I doubt that everyone involved sat around smoking cigars or pouring on the faxes. Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:22:40 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34619844 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34619058 Here is a repost of a topic posted during the Vent bobble in response to some questions that popped up on another topic. Jimbo_52, Bawnyfwank and Reagan10. The monkey electorate has figured out how to use our virtues as weapons against us. Civility simply means that they get to evade our challenges simply by claiming that we are rude. Charges of racism, for example, trigger that "good little boy" response that mommies try to train into their children. Classic maleness, which is assertive and dominant, has been classified as rude. When crisis nears, civility will not keep barbarians at bay. For an example, consider Chamberlain versus Hitler. Civility is a luxury that we can't afford if we are to preserve civilization itself. On the other hand, rudeness sends a message to the primal brain of our opponents that they are treading near the breaking point, whereas self-imposed civility is interpreted as a sign of weakness by barbarians. And the apology, which used to be a sign of character among people of character, has now been twisted into the social equivalent of a forced Marxist confession. Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:12:37 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34619058 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34618905 Wow, Vent seems to be flushed, and then starts, and then goes back to the original. So, here is a repost of a topic that I posted to catch up with some comments after it went down. Tracer asks whether we can get the country back without a physical fight. I don't think so. But I think there is a better option than a direct physical fight, and that is to get our enemies out in the streets fighting each other. I consider myself an individualist first and foremost. As such, I abhor collectives of any kind or political flavor as they all tend toward Marxist behaviors to enforce compliance with a collective. Producers in this country are by necessity individualists more than they are collectivists. Producers distinguish themselves by using their ideas to improve quality of life. No team or collective has ever come up with an idea. Only individuals do. Teams or collectives may pretend that they originate ideas, but each idea must either originate or be improved by an individual on the team. Productive people can team together on their own if need be, but our social systems exist to enforce teaming so that non-productive people benefit, too. Cubicles, human resource departments, deep bureaucracies, complicated tax and regulatory environments, all of these collectivist innovations exist to suppress individuality and enslave individuals to the collective. Even attitudes are policed, which is why so many people who claim that free speech is essential demand that victims of the collective never once be so rude as to challenge their oppressors. So, we, the productive people, are hopelessly outnumbered by the nonproductive electorate, or the monkeys on both the left and the right. If we can begin withholding value, then both groups begin to starve, and will eventually be fighting each other in the streets for food. After the herd has been thinned sufficiently, we can rebuild anew. Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:10:47 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34618905 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34618158 Hi Jimbo_52, I understand your point of view but I think there is a limit to politeness, too. I'm going to start a new topic on that to see where it goes. Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:01:35 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34618158 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34618080 Hi Tracer, thanks for thanking me! I have to admit you are one of VERY few people who have ever accused me of being polite. I agree with you that Wilson shouldn't have apologized. I think that whole topic is worth of a high-level post. I'm also going to post a high-level topic on the physical fight subject you bring up. Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:00:48 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34618080 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34617849 Hi Bawnyfrank, I understand your point of view, but sometimes rude IS called for. Otherwise, we look like pasty victims. I'm going to post a high-level topic on that in a minute to switch gears. Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:58:15 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34617849 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34617763 Hi Reagan10, I can't think of a better forum for a Congressman to speak his mind than during a joint session of Congress, can you? The more strident the better. I'm going to start a new high-level thread on that topic (I did it a few minutes ago and Vent switched back again). Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:57:14 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34617763 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34617598 Hi GeoatBeck. Hmmm, first there is the old Vent, and then a new one, and now the old is back. No, I don't think that collectivist flocking behavior is necessarily conspiratorial, no more than birds conspire where to flock next. I think collectivist behavior is the result of an evolutionary process, part of which involves our coerced smiles and enforced civility as our noble institutions are destroyed and our property and lives stolen from us. Individualism dies in these circumstances under influences from collectivists on the left and right alike. Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:55:12 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34617598 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34605763 I appreciate all the comments you guys made to my Joe Wilson post. Before Vent reset early we had a pretty good discussion going. Let me summarize the responses I didn't get to answer before the topic went poof: Tracer: Do I think we can get our country back without a physical fight? No. But I think there is a better option than a direct physical fight, and that is to get our enemies out in the streets fighting each other. More later. Jimbo_52, Bawnyfwank and Reagan10. The monkey electorate has figured out how to use our virtues as weapons against us. Civility simply means that they get to evade our challenges simply by claiming that we are rude. Charges of racism, for example, trigger that "good little boy" response that mommies try to train into their children. Classic maleness, which is assertive and dominant, has been classified as rude. When crisis nears, civility will not keep barbarians at bay. For an example, consider Chamberlain versus Hitler. Civility is a luxury that we can't afford if we are to preserve civilization itself. On the other hand, rudeness sends a message to the primal brain of our opponents that they are treading near the breaking point, whereas self-imposed civility is interpreted as a sign of weakness by barbarians. GeoatBeck, (different topic, but relevant, and dumped by vent anyway) no, I don't think that collectivist behavior is necessarily conspiratorial. I think collectivist behavior is the result of an evolutionary process, part of which involves our coerced smiles and enforced civility as our noble institutions are destroyed and our property and lives stolen from us. Individualism dies in these circumstances. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:37:02 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34605763 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34541607 Hi MICHAELinOHIO. Sadly, the fact that ACORN has so many branches means that whatever we hear about cutting their funding is just a game for us to watch. Some other branch of that poisonous tree will wind up getting the money instead. The only difference is that we'll feel good about it for a little while. I think while we're being distracted with these videos (we can't possibly watch all branches of this thing all at once, but I applaud the effort), we miss out on them being able to shift funding anywhere. Just like they can shift Van Jones to a different job, but his influence is still there, no doubt. Time to let them take it all down so we can rebuild without them. I think that is the only solution let. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:55:54 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34541607 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34540748 Hi Weimee Lady, thanks for posting. I didn't see the Obama eye thing, I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the tip. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:51:11 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34540748 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34540603 Hi MICHAELinOHIO, thanks for posting. We'll see how the selection process for that list of 56 turns out, but I think it is a mistake to place significance on an arbitrary number. Just because there were 56 signers doesn't mean that we can find 56 incumbents that are useful. The number may be higher, it may be lower. I suspect clever marketing here ... And how do you "quarantine DC" exactly? If we had the power to stop any bills then we would, uhhhh, be stopping the bills and none of this (health care, cap and trade, etc.) would be an issue. Again, clever marketing. But be sure to tune in the next time, I hear it is going to be a good one. Let's get back to self-reliance and look to the guy in the mirror for answers. Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:50:32 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34540603 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34366753 Hi FreeFlight, good to hear from you again. When I said send a bastard to Congress, I meant that the district would knowingly send a bastard to fight the other jackasses that want to tread on our liberty. But you are right, a recall provision would be good, but I think that is an issue best left for the state legislatures to decide for themselves, not for Congress to pick its own team. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:34:25 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34366753 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34366055 Hi ReaderRedux, you are absolutely right that Joe Wilson is a hero, at least for speaking his mind for one fleeting moment. That is at least a spark that we should fan into an inferno. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:32:03 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34366055 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34365427 Hi MeJane, thank you for this post about censorship. I think that this whole censorship issue points out that petty tyrants are found on either side of the aisle and even in the middle. I would rather have an honest conversation with someone at odds with my values than to have to watch everything I say around someone who supposedly shares my values. Our enemies on both sides stop at nothing to silence us, we should not be silencing each other. And like it or not, tough speech or even rude talk is part of expression. Thanks again. Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:29:20 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34365427 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34332377 Hi endthefed2, thanks for posting. I'm not a big believer in conspiracies, I just think that people make selfish decisions and establish social mechanisms that benefit the collective at the expense of the individual. I'm not sure there are any conspiracies beyond the behavior exhibited by, say flocks of birds, but it doesn't hurt to ask the questions. Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:19:49 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34332377 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34332251 Hi Pama, I understand your sentiment. But, does anyone on here really have any contact with Beck to be able to present such a list or is it mostly a fan-club kind of arrangement? Anyway, the notion of a List of 56 disturbs me. Someone else posted somewhere on here about 56 being a marketing ploy. I agree. I think this is just another ploy to get us tuning in, which is a silly gambit on Beck's part, since the news and comment alone would be enough. I wish he would stop with the "follow me" stuff. What happened to the old Radio Beck and where did this cleverly packaged machine come from? Anyway, 56 assumes that there are at least 56, or no more than 56. Besides, I've lost confidence in the electorate itself. Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:17:54 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34332251 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34331685 Hi Looking4Sanity, thanks! I enjoy reading your posts also. Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:12:25 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34331685 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34331460 Hi Hiattn, thanks for posting. I agree that an apology is the wrong move. Some smart guy once said something about letting your yes be yes and your no be no. Back in the day when most people had character, an apology was a social lubricant that allowed mistakes to be forgiven and forgotten and a sign of strength of character. But now, a forced apology is akin to a forced Marxist confession, and a sign of weakness. We have to stop letting Marxists on both sides use our character as weapons against us. Feigned offense at truth is insufficient justification for an apology. Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:08:52 +0000 http://www.912communique.com#IDComment34331460