en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/394334 Comments by TerryConspiracy http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/19/the-rand-paul-evolution/5775/#IDComment22029604 American values are not what is being imposed here Scott. The CIA documentation in the public domain, that relate to the Extraordinary Rendition program indicates that there are 26,000 prisoners in CIA land based prisons & on CIA Prison Ships (where Torture can continue because the Law of the Land is not being broken). It is estimated that well over 80,000 men have been processed through these facilities since 2001. Held for years without charges. Systemic torture & dehumanizing treatment. No legal council. No judicial appeal. No basic human rights. & for may, no hope at all ! American values you say ? I say pity that. These are unAmerican values, is what I say. The MSM (Main Stream Media) is a disgrace for not reporting the Truth ! The facts are out there, if you do your own research. Fri, 22 May 2009 05:54:40 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/19/the-rand-paul-evolution/5775/#IDComment22029604 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/19/the-rand-paul-evolution/5775/#IDComment21906351 Rand's Dad has it right. Bring them home & do not make the mistake of sending them overseas to fight & die for "lies" ever again. America has lost all of it's moral high ground on the World stage because of Torture & Extraordinary Rendition & must honestly look at the War on Terror for what it has done to the Nation in the eyes of the World. During the power hungry paranoia of the Gorge W. Bush era, America, in the interests of national security, has set into place this giant new industry of information mining. With the CIA in charge, large scale detention camps have been established all over the middle & far East. A fleet of 17 CIA prison ships continue to this day, to patrol the High Seas & World harbors facilitating the most efficient ways of collecting & extracting a small amount of what they consider to be valuable "intelligence" from this large body of largely innocent & unsuspecting citizens of the World. It is now calculated that as many as 100,000 people could have entered this CIA run system over the last 8 years, & most of this population is still being held despite the fact that most of these people are now known to be innocent of any wrongdoing at all, They are simply victims of the insecure & power mad mind set that rules Washington. Nothing has changed since President Obama took office, & he has a 4 year term to make it even worse. Obstruction of justice is a very bad sign indeed & doing nothing to stop this madness, is obstruction of Justice. Obama will bear as much responsibility at Bush in no time. The torture never stops on the High seas. There are no rules or policing systems out there to prevent it. There are no Red Cross inspections & there most certainly is not any form of legal council or judicial appeal system. If you, a friend, or a family member, are on a CIA Prison Ship you are very likely to never see the light of day again. We are back to pure Barbarian rules out there. "The horror" is real, & it is being done in "your " name America. The exact number of victims from around the world is kept secret & will never be known, because the CIA has publicly admitted that they have destroyed their files relating to torture & Extraordinary Rendition. It has been speculated that they may have erased more files than they have kept because even this "Above the Law " organization, fears that the program has gotten out of control & their crimes will soon be exposed to judicial rule, if not at home in America, then in the public domain of the World Courts for sure. America & the CIA will be found to be guilty of very serious Crimes Against Humanity, Even the most basic human rights have been denied to thousands of innocent victims for years unending. Will Rand Paul have what it takes to man up & help deal with this disgraceful situation ? Only time will tell, but he seems as strong as his father in a lot of ways, so we can hope. 2010 will be a tough time to be politically responsible for the crimes of America, & I am grateful that Rand Paul is willing to do just that. He has my RESPECT ! Wed, 20 May 2009 15:46:55 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/19/the-rand-paul-evolution/5775/#IDComment21906351 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/18/gold-and-the-average-man/5760/#IDComment21758903 We have the Ron Paul "Audit the Fed" vote before congress now. It has been cosigned by over 140 congressmen from both sides of the house. How did Ron Paul accomplish such a "Revolution" in Congress ? The answer is that the strength of the support for the bill, comes from the weakness in the wording of the Bill itself. All matters pertaining to foreign investment in & by the Federal Reserve will remain secret, even the current ownership of the Federal Reserve will remain secret. The real story behind the Federal Reserve will not be exposed by this Bill. The bipartisan support for this legislation would not exist if it did ! Will the facts that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned institution that is operated by privately owned banks that are completely controlled by the "Rothschild" family come out in this public debate ? Possibly. Will the public be able to fallow the exposure of these facts about the Federal Reserve in the Main Stream Media ? Not very likely. The reason for this is the "FACT" that the same people that own & control the Federal Reserve, also own & control the entire corporate monopoly MSM system. ( Search the NYT for any mention of this Bill or Congressman Ron Paul & you will discover that his name has not even appeared in print once this year, on any subject !). The Rothschilds & the Old World Ellette own this planet, they always have, & the Rothschilds have owned the American Federal Reserve currency (the dollars in your pocket) since Dec. 23 1913. "Give me control of a nation's currency, & I care not who makes the laws." Barron Rothschild Do your own homework & prove me wrong. Info Wars ! Mon, 18 May 2009 13:39:44 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/18/gold-and-the-average-man/5760/#IDComment21758903 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/14/rand-paul-forms-exploratory-committee-new-republican-leader/5749/#IDComment21521582 Knowing how to spell Constitution, is not really all that important. Knowing what is in the constitution, is very important. Defending the constitution is critically important ! Fri, 15 May 2009 15:33:23 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/14/rand-paul-forms-exploratory-committee-new-republican-leader/5749/#IDComment21521582 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/14/rand-paul-forms-exploratory-committee-new-republican-leader/5749/#IDComment21517939 Pray Angel pray ! I am an absolute Fatalist myself & I invite you to pray to your Gods or your non Gods. Get active & work to make your prayers come true & then........ Vote Angel vote ! Fri, 15 May 2009 14:22:17 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/14/rand-paul-forms-exploratory-committee-new-republican-leader/5749/#IDComment21517939 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/14/rand-paul-forms-exploratory-committee-new-republican-leader/5749/#IDComment21515619 Genetically speaking, he has my vote ! Rand Paul will invigorate & legitimize the the purpose & integrity of the Senate in the Congressman Ron Paul tradition, I am sure. This will be looked at as a very interesting chapter in the never ending story of the Great Experiment called American Democracy. Rand Paul will be a strong, new, much needed pro- Constitution voice in the Senate, reguardless of which party he was running for. The GOP will be very lucky to have him on their side. We The People salute Ron & Rand Paul ! Respect ! Fri, 15 May 2009 13:29:49 +0000 http://libertymaven.com/2009/05/14/rand-paul-forms-exploratory-committee-new-republican-leader/5749/#IDComment21515619 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21244745 Did you ever ask yourself how a leg got onto the sidewalk ? Did you ever ask yourself how so many bodies were fragmented, not squashed, but fragmented. These were not pancake style collapsing buildings, they were massive eviscerating, pulverizing, high tech demolitions. Look up "Nano Thermite" on the net. Watch a presentation by "Richard Gage" or "Steven Jones". Mon, 11 May 2009 15:53:06 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21244745 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21243507 Two Wars, based on lies. 9/11 was a false flag event. It was staged to generate American debt. The goal for the perpetrators of this crime is global economic chaos. The planet is being set up to accept the NWO system of government. One of the oldest rules of crime investigation is fallow the money. Try it & see where it leads you. It has led me to the Central Banksters of the World. "Give me control of a nation's currency, & I care not who makes the laws" Barron Rothschild. This is why Ron Paul is a hero to so many, he has exposed the truth about the Federal Reserve, & complains bitterly about the erosion of the American constitution. There will be no room for personal freedoms in the NWO if things go according to their plans. If you can prove me wrong, fine. Show me the errors of my research. If you choose to remain ignorant of the truth, so be it. It's still a free country, for now. Info Wars ! Mon, 11 May 2009 15:25:02 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21243507 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21242097 You "can't believe", because you have not done the research. This is our history. I am not making it up, the wealth of the World is what it is. The wealth of this planet has been in the same families for 100's of years. The Rothschilds hold half, that is a FACT. They control America because they control the Federal Reserve. They control America because they control the MSM. Whether you choose to believe it or not, it is a free country, believe what you will. If you want to see the World for what it truly is, then check out the FACTS that I have put before you. Info Wars ! Mon, 11 May 2009 14:52:44 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21242097 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21202685 The qualities of life in our Western World are rapidly turning into history. Not by chance, but by design. Have you not noticed the erosion of the constitution ? "The world has always been controlled by the powerful", there are things we can agree upon. Now if you can wrap your head around the FACT that it has always been the same people, we could move on. Did you know that the Federal Reserve is owned by private banks ? Do you care that the Federal Reserve is controlled by people that are not even Americans ? Sun, 10 May 2009 21:24:34 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21202685 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21199676 Well Roger, You must do a little more history recon to find out what America really is. We might end up on the same side of the debate yet. What I am saying is that if you fallow the money trail, you will discover that the global Corporatists (Fascists) own America. The fact that you are an American, means that the Corporatists (Fascists) own you & your family as well. I am sure that you have heard of the Illuminati (modern day neoconservatives). This dedicated & well funded think tank type historical organization, has had a strangle hold on America since it's inception. Their goal has always been to promote & create a New World Order, a one World government & one (perhaps 3 or 4) World currency. Lincoln's writings indicate that he considered the tentacles of this organization to be the greatest long term threat to the survival of America. J.W.Booth was an agent of the Illuminati. The Illuminati infiltrated & usurped the leadership of the global Freemason organization long ago, & America's politicians have been under their control ever since. Princeton's Skull & Bones club is pure Illuminati. The Illuminati was created by the Rothschild Banking Dynasty. Do you know about the Rothschilds ? If you do a pie graph of the World's wealth, the Rothschilds control just over half. About a dozen other old World royal families own slightly more than 40%. This leaves about 5 - 8% of the pie to be divided up between Bill Gates, Warren Buffet & the 7 Billion other people on this planet. This is our collective history, It is what it is. The financially speaking, the Rothschilds have owned America on & off since it's inception, & they have had "total" control of the country & it's currency since Dec.23, 1913. They own & control the Federal Reserve. They "control" the Rockefeller fortune. The great J.P.Morgan estate turned out to be 80% trust holdings for the Rothschilds. The Rothschild banks have funded both sides of every major conflict on this planet since at least the Napoleonic era. This is what the Info Wars are about. This is why Ron Paul wants to give Congress the power to audit the Federal Reserve. The so called War on Terror is a deception. We have not been fighting to "win", we have been fighting to "spend". The goal of the perpetrators of the deception has not been to get control of the oil reserves as so many suspect. It has been to spend the country into insolvency. The goal is global economic ciaos. From the chaos (Order out of Chaos is the motto of the 33 degree mason) will rise their NWO. There is more to it but without the background research you are not ready to hear/see it. Do your homework & prove me wrong. Info Wars ! Sun, 10 May 2009 20:15:46 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21199676 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21152043 "a known Jihadist" ? Now that is a problem. The question is how many "innocent" people would you torture & imprison for years, to find one of these "known Jihadist's" ? The Bush/Chaney # based on the info from Guantanamo Bay, seems to be somewhere between 15 & 20 innocent people for every "suspected" Jihadist. They have never actually found any "known Jihadist" yet, because none have been convicted of these accusations in a court of law, & only a handful have been charged with any crimes at all. Are you really satisfied with these results ? The Kill em all & let God sort them out philosophy, just does not work for me. Sat, 9 May 2009 20:47:47 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21152043 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21148192 Look, the issue should be about all the evidence that the CIA admits to have deliberately destroyed. Will no one be held accountable for this ? Surely this is where the "death by torture" files would have been found. We know now, that the "enhanced interrogation" program was developed at Guantanamo Bay. The methods of dehumanization that we see in the photos from Abu Ghraib were "taught" to the guards & interrogators. They all came from Guantanamo Bay as graduates with new skills to be applied to the detainees in countless (secret) prisons throughput the middle East . We know that most of the prisoners there, arrived at the camp through means of "extraordinary rendition". In many cases, America payed a bounty for these people. Unfortunately, no matter how much they were tortured, they could not be turned into terrorists. They are farmers, students, cab drivers, & business men still. Most of them are quite simply, innocent victims of the deeply flawed "extraordinary rendition" system. Most of the prison population are not terrorists or War criminals, they are just people like you & me. They are what they are. It is a mess. It is hard to imagine so many innocent people being held for so long without trial, or evidence to take them to trial, especially by America, but, it is what it is. The Bush/Chaney administration did it. The World is waiting for Obama to do something about it ! Sat, 9 May 2009 19:08:28 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21148192 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21148068 9/11 was an inside job James. We have to see this event for what it was & put our own house in order. Sat, 9 May 2009 19:05:20 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21148068 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21147932 Two wars founded on lies has resulted in more than a Million deaths & many times that # in injuries. When you come to understand that 9/11 was an inside job as well, we can see that the same people are responsible for all of it. What is yet to be revealed, is who controls the ones that we can see. It is a common denominator effect. Look to the Rothschilds & the Central Banksters as the root of all this Evil. Sat, 9 May 2009 19:02:07 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21147932 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21147560 Well spoken Evil one. None of it is true, but well spoken all the same. Torture is wrong. Terrorism is wrong. False flag events are wrong. You are wrong too. "Extraordinary Rendition" is not a battlefield tactic. Most of the people held have no charges against them because there is no evidence to prove that they are guilty of any crimes. When you torture innocent people for years & then release them, it is very understandable that some small percentage of this population will seek revenge for their mistreatment or the mistreatment of some members of their family. America is creating & motivating more enemies than existed prior to 9/11/01. It is what it is. Sat, 9 May 2009 18:52:41 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21147560 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21146980 Look, the issue should be about all the evidence that the CIA admits to have deliberately destroyed. Will no one be held accountable for this ? Surely this is where the "death by torture" files would have been found. We know now, that the "enhanced interrogation" program was developed at Guantanamo Bay. The methods of dehumanization that we see in the photos from Abu Ghraib were "taught" to the guards & interrogators. They all came from Guantanamo Bay as graduates with new skills to be applied to the detainees in countless (secret) prisons throughput the middle East . We know that most of the prisoners there, arrived at the camp through means of "extraordinary rendition". In many cases, America payed a bounty for these people. Unfortunately, no matter how much they were tortured, they could not be turned into terrorists. They are farmers, students, cab drivers, & business men still. Most of them are quite simply, innocent victims of the deeply flawed "extraordinary rendition" system. Most of the prison population are not terrorists or War criminals, they are just people like you & me. They are what they are. It is a mess. It is hard to imagine so many innocent people being held for so long without trial, or evidence to take them to trial, especially by America, but, it is what it is. The Bush/Chaney administration did it. The World is waiting for Obama to do something about it ! Sat, 9 May 2009 18:38:02 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21146980 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21146950 Look, the issue should be about all the evidence that the CIA admits to have deliberately destroyed. Will no one be held accountable for this ? Surely this is where the "death by torture" files would have been found. We know now, that the "enhanced interrogation" program was developed at Guantanamo Bay. The methods of dehumanization that we see in the photos from Abu Ghraib were "taught" to the guards & interrogators. They all came from Guantanamo Bay as graduates with new skills to be applied to the detainees in countless (secret) prisons throughput the middle East . We know that most of the prisoners there, arrived at the camp through means of "extraordinary rendition". In many cases, America payed a bounty for these people. Unfortunately, no matter how much they were tortured, they could not be turned into terrorists. They are farmers, students, cab drivers, & business men still. Most of them are quite simply, innocent victims of the deeply flawed "extraordinary rendition" system. Most of the prison population are not terrorists or War criminals, they are just people like you & me. They are what they are. It is a mess. It is hard to imagine so many innocent people being held for so long without trial, or evidence to take them to trial, especially by America, but, it is what it is. The Bush/Chaney administration did it. The World is waiting for Obama to do something about it ! Sat, 9 May 2009 18:37:13 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21146950 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21146933 Look, the issue should be about all the evidence that the CIA admits to have deliberately destroyed. Will no one be held accountable for this ? Surely this is where the "death by torture" files would have been found. We know now, that the "enhanced interrogation" program was developed at Guantanamo Bay. The methods of dehumanization that we see in the photos from Abu Ghraib were "taught" to the guards & interrogators. They all came from Guantanamo Bay as graduates with new skills to be applied to the detainees in countless (secret) prisons throughput the middle East . We know that most of the prisoners there, arrived at the camp through means of "extraordinary rendition". In many cases, America payed a bounty for these people. Unfortunately, no matter how much they were tortured, they could not be turned into terrorists. They are farmers, students, cab drivers, & business men still. Most of them are quite simply, innocent victims of the deeply flawed "extraordinary rendition" system. Most of the prison population are not terrorists or War criminals, they are just people like you & me. They are what they are. It is a mess. It is hard to imagine so many innocent people being held for so long without trial, or evidence to take them to trial, especially by America, but, it is what it is. The Bush/Chaney administration did it. The World is waiting for Obama to do something about it ! Sat, 9 May 2009 18:36:43 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21146933 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21146903 Look, the issue should be about all the evidence that the CIA admits to have deliberately destroyed. Will no one be held accountable for this ? Surely this is where the "death by torture" files would have been found. We know now, that the "enhanced interrogation" program was developed at Guantanamo Bay. The methods of dehumanization that we see in the photos from Abu Ghraib were "taught" to the guards & interrogators. They all came from Guantanamo Bay as graduates with new skills to be applied to the detainees in countless (secret) prisons throughput the middle East . We know that most of the prisoners there, arrived at the camp through means of "extraordinary rendition". In many cases, America payed a bounty for these people. Unfortunately, no matter how much they were tortured, they could not be turned into terrorists. They are farmers, students, cab drivers, & business men still. Most of them are quite simply, innocent victims of the deeply flawed "extraordinary rendition" system. Most of the prison population are not terrorists or War criminals, they are just people like you & me. They are what they are. It is a mess. It is hard to imagine so many innocent people being held for so long without trial, or evidence to take them to trial, especially by America, but, it is what it is. The Bush/Chaney administration did it. The World is waiting for Obama to do something about it ! Sat, 9 May 2009 18:35:56 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/adavid/2009/05/07/terror-pictures-and-torture-pictures/#IDComment21146903