I don't think that is what Witty meant. He didn't understand Max's comments though. It's about context. Of course, there are other States with problems like Israel or worse, but Max is commenting on Israel because of HIS and IT'S 'Jewishness'.

This is about a Jewish liberal, reconciling HIS identity and values with a State that claims to be the 'Jewish State'.

dhimmi, i think he is specifically talking about the colonists because their story is similar to that of the early Zionists

But Witty, that 'self-interest' gives way to HYPOCRISY. Not just your average hypocrisy, but Spanish Inquisition hypocrisy.

So is the Israeli leadership for the Israelis.

The distinction to be made is that Israel occupies Palestinian land and resistance forces have the right to resist. Israel is a State actor that is constantly breaking the law and constantly violating the rights of an entire population of people.

Hamas is the response - not the source (Israel and Zionism).

Witty, I do not criticize you because you criticize Hamas. I criticize you because you do not criticize Israel which is the more powerful entity and which the responsibility falls on to.

Israel is the superpower of the region with total diplomatic/economic/military/social support from within it's constituency and amongst outside relevant parties.

Yes, Hamas is despicable for killing civilians. I won't argue with you there. But as I said:

If you compare the violence on both sides. If you compare the abuses on both sides. If you compare the criminality on both sides. If you analyze the time-line of events leading up to these mini-wars. I do not see how you can focus so much on Hamas.

Why is this blockade going on still? Isn't that a greater act of terrorism? Israel outright kills more civilians and children than Hamas or the PLO or whoever before. If we compare acts of violence against civilians - Israel has done more. There is no accountability for Israel. No one cares when they do it - no one RELEVANT (protesters do not matter).

My criticism of you is not that you point out Hamas's crimes - but that you do so exclusively and THAT is intellectually dishonest.

I don't agree that Hamas has disrupted peace efforts - not the way you say it has. You're implication again is that they are the sole reason and they are the most frequent disrupters. Not true.

Actually, I think it's very common for Jews convicted of crimes abroad to flee to Israel and escape jail-time/etc.

ethnocentrism...

Golem defines 'Jews' as those who do not deviate from the tribe. More proof that Zionism is a cult.

This blog does no such thing, Witty. Maybe the commentators? But Phil has NEVER once stated that Palestinians are only humane.

And please, your perception of this blog's message is so narrow.

You keep using loaded dishonest language like MUTUAL blah blah.

You conflate Hamas with Palestinians in general. You talk on and on about MUTUAL blah blah but you never talk about WHY Hamas fires rockets. You do not put ANYTHING the Palestinians do in context.

That's the point when we COMPARE. We put EACH OTHERS ACTIONS in CONTEXT and compare. You do nothing of the sort.

You are unimpressive. Insincere, unconcerned, exaggerating what you, which is insignificant.

Jake in Jerusalem said:
"[...]the truth about Arabs"

What TRUTH, moron? You're a racist and everyone here - whether they comment or simply observe - KNOWS it. You never make distinctions between Islamic fundamentalists and 'Arabs' and 'Muslims' - they are all the same to you. You say rape and abuse are a COMMON OCCURRENCE in 'Arab society'.

First off, you do not know how prevalent these crimes are. You do not provide any sort of substantiated argument.

Second, you once again say 'ARAB' society - as if ALL the people in a particular Arab society are the same AND as if ALL Arab States are the same. You conflate the criminal behavior of some Arabs with ALL Arabs.

This is something ALL the other Zionists here do as well - except Witty.

Jake in Jerusalem said:
"[...]even just ARAB rights"

People have their interests. Phil has never support Saudi Arabia or Egypt as a State and he's acknowledged their faults as States and even as societies. All societies are imperfect and have their own problems. It's one thing to point them out with sincerity and concern - and quite another to simply MOCK and ridicule them.

You don't give a shit about Arab society or Islam. You don't even see Arabs as human beings. You simply USE the human rights abuses in Arab States like Saudi Arabia to undermine the Palestinian cause. It's JUST like the human shield argument.

Just rhetoric.

What I find striking, is that you aren't even on the average level on intellectual dishonesty as the other ZioBots who troll progressive blogs like Mondoweiss. You are OBVIOUS with your hatred and cynicism and bigotry.

It's easy to bash Saudi Arabia or Egypt for human rights violations. No one in the mainstream supports them. And neither do we. We do not conflate the people in those countries with the leadership. We do not make asinine and shallow arguments about them either.

We can easily pick out crimes committed by Jews and then by YOUR logic, conflate ALL Jews with said crimes. We can draw the same illogical and immoral conclusions.

You are a fucking retard.