en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/658928 Comments by Skaught77 http://bigpeace.com/bbarrack/2011/10/16/uganda-lra-and-the-christian-lie/#IDComment208502079 Exactly. If I say I'm a vegetarian, but eat beef on a regular basis and write cookbooks on the joys of bacon, my claim of being a vegetarian are false, as my actions contradict the definition of what a vegetarian is. The "No True Scotsman" fallacy does not apply. Mon, 17 Oct 2011 00:49:40 +0000 http://bigpeace.com/bbarrack/2011/10/16/uganda-lra-and-the-christian-lie/#IDComment208502079 http://biggovernment.com/rebelpundit/2011/10/08/democrat-raja-for-congress-protests-tea-party-with-communists/#IDComment204923662 Meanwhile, this poster conveniently forgets that South Carolina and Louisiana -- southern states -- both elected Indian governors...who are Republicans. This conservatives = racists fiction simply doesn't work anymore (things that contradict reality usually don't last) and just shows the desperation and complete inability of proponents to argue their side. When you have nothing to say, try a diversion, I guess. Sat, 8 Oct 2011 20:46:47 +0000 http://biggovernment.com/rebelpundit/2011/10/08/democrat-raja-for-congress-protests-tea-party-with-communists/#IDComment204923662 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199385723 No, I don't think you're being bigoted in these criticisms. Possibly just trolling me, but I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt. I don't draw a grand conclusion based on a few select verses. Quite the contrarty. If I was only isolating "particulars", as you say, I would indeed be unjust. But I am not doing that. I am looking at multiple verses, hadiths, sharia, the life of Mohammed, the statments of respected Muslim scholars, and more. Nor do I pretend that my assertions aren't directed at all Muslims. They're not. Ideas are not people. Not all Muslims follow the teachings of the Koran or the life of Mohammed as they appear in black and white. Some choose to ignore them. Some even choose to disregard them. I wish more did. As I've repeated said but you continue fail in grasping, I have the ability to be tolerant and even be friends will all sorts of people who don't share my views or beliefs, even while disagreeing with them. Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:41:51 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199385723 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199361556 Again, criticism does not equal bigotry. My wife was working on a invitation design and asked me to look at it. I was critical of a few elements which enabled her to improve her design. Was I being bigoted? Of course not. If I'm critical of a writer's literary efforts, amd I bigoted against him? If a teacher tells a student that their answer is wrong, are they exhibiting bigotry towards that student? Of course not. I'm just not getting why you can't separate an idea from a people. Not all beliefs or ideas are equally valid. It's impossible. If two ideas contradict, either one or both are wrong. They can't both be right. Saying so isn't bigotry. Heck, are you bigoted towards me? You seem to find fault in my statements. Yet you seem to consider it a great sin if I find fault in teachings of the Koran. Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:00:31 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199361556 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199346576 No, there is no contradiction. Besides, I don't think there is any "true" Islam. There is one Koran, though, that all Muslims revere to one degree or another. If there's a group of Muslims who don't use the Koran that would be new to me. The Koran has specific verses that instruct followers to act violently towards non-Muslims. Also, all Muslims look to Mohammed as the messenger of God and founder of Islam. If there are Muslims that don't subscribe to this then I wonder if they can be qualified as being Muslim. Mohammed, who is looked at as the perfect role model by every vein of Islam I'm familiar with, lived a life of violence and debauchery. So while there are various strains of Islam, there are common elements that all subscribe to. Do all Muslims adhere to the violent teachings in the Koran? No, of course not. But that does not mean these teachings do not exist, or that people should not be critical of these teachings. Mon, 26 Sep 2011 20:35:40 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199346576 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199320530 Who are you quoting? If you're trying to paraphase me, don't use quotes, since I didn't say what you quoted. First off, criticism does not equal bigotry. Even if someone criticized all Christians, that wouldn't be bigotry. If you're not a Muslim, then you think some of the claims Islam makes are wrong. Does that make you a bigot? You can't claim to not be a Muslim while refusing to say you disagree with Islam's truth claims. Mon, 26 Sep 2011 19:52:57 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199320530 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/26/dennis-miller-endorses-herman-cain-will-headline-fundraiser/#IDComment199276180 I'm diggin Cain. Something about Perry and Romney just rubs me wrong. I can't put my finger on it. Must be racism or something. Which is odd since I'm white. Mon, 26 Sep 2011 18:36:42 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/26/dennis-miller-endorses-herman-cain-will-headline-fundraiser/#IDComment199276180 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199246957 I agree, I do find racism in the concept that if a person doesn't vote for a black person they're racist. *I* was being sarcastic, of course, as that's not a belief I personally hold. So no racism here. But I don't need any luck finding liberal instances of charging people who don't support Obama with racism. I hear it daily. Mr. Freeman above was following that same unfortunate line of thinking. Many liberals can't seem to grasp the concept that people have a problem with his IDEAS, not his race. Instead they accuse conservative opposition to Obama as being motivated by racism. As if conservatives would be onboard with his ideas if he happened to be white. Utter nonsense, all of it. Again, you seem to have a problem separating the disgreement with an idea with hatred of a person. Yet you seem to have no trouble disagreeing with me. I guess that means you hate/oppose me as a person? Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:46:43 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199246957 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199243473 Yes, I would disagree with someone critical of Christianity being called a bigot. That would make no sense. Not really a stress test as there's nothing stressful in that concept. I'm flabbergasted that you think its impossible to think an idea is wrong without being hateful of the people who hold that idea. I was elected chapter leader of an organize I'm a member of. As leader, I appointed as my second in command a liberal athiest. We consider each other friends. I think her politics and beliefs on God are completely wrong. Yet I was able to be friends and even trust her in a position of leadership. I feel a bit sad for you if in fact you can't figure out how to be friends with , or at least not hateful towards, people who have ideas you think are completely wrong. Isn't the left suppose to be "tolerant"? You can't tolerate something you agree with or support. Mon, 26 Sep 2011 17:38:53 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment199243473 http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/09/25/sunday-open-thread-cain-edition/#IDComment198897762 You are such a garlic tasting pickled herring. Sounds like nonsense? It is, as is your post. Mon, 26 Sep 2011 03:22:29 +0000 http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/09/25/sunday-open-thread-cain-edition/#IDComment198897762 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment198736973 You're inventing a position for me that I never stated and then arguing against it. I find that very dishonest. I never stated or implied that there was "one Islam". So your entire augment is meaningless and my point still stands. If you can't see the difference in opposing an ideology but not a people, then I can't help you. Because there is a huge difference. I am friends with people of many different beliefs, both political and religious. I think they are wrong in some of the things they believe. But that doesn't stop me from being friends with those people. If you're unable to disagree with a person without opposing them as an individual, then I feel sorry for you. Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:20:49 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment198736973 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197768498 Absolutely! Being critical of ISLAM, an ideology, is NOT being critical of Muslims as a people. It's a religious/social/political belief system. Yet when I'm critical of the teachings of Islam (such as how a women's testimony is worth half that of a man's), I'm called an Islamophobe. When I say I think Mohammed was a very bad man who slaughtered people left and right and had sex with a child, I'm called an Islamophobe. I've even had these accusers deny any of these things are true, yet refuse to read the links to the Islamic sources as evidence. They instead prefer to be ignorant and accuse me of something I am not. They demonize those who they disagree with rather than allow their own beliefs to be challenged. Saying Islam is violent/bad/wrong is NOT saying all Muslims are the same. Judging an ideology is not bigoted or racist. An ideology is not a people, so it can't be racist. Sat, 24 Sep 2011 02:17:25 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197768498 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197763846 But I am not talking about people. I am talking about Islam, an ideology that encompasses religious, political and social beliefs. Like I said, many Muslims are peace loving, so I (and most others) who deem Islam to be violence prone are not judging all Muslims (in fact, I am friends with a Muslim who participates in the same hobby as I do). This seems to be a big hang up for multiculturalists, however, who cannot separate criticism of the ideology from criticism of the people. Just as I oppose any ideology that teaches violence and supremacism, I oppose Islam. This does NOT mean, contrary to the assumptions of many, that I oppose Muslim people. I have no desire to discriminate against or harm Muslims. Quite the contrary. Nor do I believe that all Muslims follow the violent tenants of Islam. But non-Muslims who claim Islam is a religion of peace do so based on a desire for it to be that way, not the reality that it is. The accusations of Islamophobia against anyone who takes a critical view of the ideology are simply another smoke screen employed to demonize those with a different opinion. It's wrong. Sat, 24 Sep 2011 02:05:47 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197763846 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197744648 You're not Muslim? Then you believe Mohammed is a liar? Guess that makes you an Islamophobe like the rest of us. Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:15:59 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197744648 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197744125 Sorry, you don't get to do that. You're a racist if you don't vote for him. His politics have nothing to do with it. That's what I learned from liberals, anyway, in regards to Obama. Or is this one of those instances of "do what we say, not what we do"? Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:14:30 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197744125 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197743015 Please demonstrate what he said in that post that was bigoted? I can call you a platypus, but I have as much evidence of that from what you wrote as you had for your claim. Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:11:20 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197743015 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197742427 Are you a Muslim? If not, then you disagree with it's truth claims, correct? How does this not make you yourself "anti-Muslim"? You think it is wrong. So do I. Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:09:47 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197742427 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197741617 Are you a Muslim? If not, that means you reject that Islam is true, and you and I are in agreement. Does that make us "Islamophobes"? To some, I expect that it does. Now, I also factor in to my opinion of Islams the teachings of the Koran, the words and actions of Mohammed, the teachings of the established Muslim scholars, and history. This rational review of the facts leads me to the conclusion that while many Muslims are indeed peace loving people, the ideology of Islam is not one that encourages acceptance of or peace with people who are outside the Islamic faith. As a result of this conclusion, some people will label me an "Islamophobe", despite the complete absence of any phobia behind this conclusion. I disagree with the truth claims of Hinduism as well, yet I have not concluded that it is an ideology that encourages violence. How would one reconcile this contradiction, since surely a phobic opinion based solely on bigotry of one ideology should extend to all "minority" ideologies that I don't hold? It's because the truth is accusations of Islamophobia are not based on logic, but rather on an irrational defense the accuser must employ to maintain their own ideology of moral equivalence of all cultures and their blind dedication to the lie that conservatives are racists. Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:07:24 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197741617 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197568640 Still waiting to hear which race Muslims belong to. Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:34:56 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197568640 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197559067 I use to respect the man. I'm surprised he's that much of a koolaide drinker. Not a lot of rational thought in that opinion, even with Piers pointing out some of the inconsistencies. Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:14:11 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hollywoodland/2011/09/23/morgan-freeman-calls-tea-party-racist/#IDComment197559067