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17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 0 replies · +1 points

How do you know whether they were liberal or conservative? At the rally I attended (Lansing MI) everyone voiced their opposition to spending not thier political offiliation. I would have been greatly offended if we were asked to divulge such information. You are right, it was not a liberal or conservative thing; it was purely about out of control spending.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Attending a Tea Party?... · 0 replies · +1 points

Sorry for the long delay in my reply.

No matter how you cut it, not voting for someone who represents your views, and did it well, simply because they are in office is counter-productive to what you wish to accomplish. You only have two Senators that can represent you in Congress and you are willing to through out one that you like on the slim chance that you get two that may represent your views. Why not accept Sessions as one of your choices. By your own words he has done a good job for you. Then you can focus you attention on the second Senator. This represents the best chance you have of getting two Senators that represent your views.

You are absolutely punishing Sessions with your strategy. By your words the only thing he has done wrong is to win in an election where he is the minority. You should be working to make him the majority. Your current plan seems very short-sided.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Tea Parties · 0 replies · +1 points

The Tea Party in Grand Rapids Michigan is held from 5-6 pm at Ah-nab-awen Park.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Attending a Tea Party?... · 2 replies · +1 points

I truly do not understand the No Incumbants 2010 slogan. Why punish the true 'representatives' out there? I know they are few and far between but there are men and women who are holding to the values of the Founders and they need to be rewarded. In fact they need to become the leading voices in Government. I personally have made a commitment to do all I can to make sure anyone who voted for a bailout or 'stimulus' is not re-elected. On the flip side, I have actively supported those incumbants that have put a voice to my views. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Organize This through ... · 3 replies · +1 points

Great post CULATR! It is very thought provoking. My initial thought on this is that no one value is, or should be, subserviant to any other. Your premise seems to be 'When you seek to do good for others, you are sincere in your purpose' and with sincerity of purpose all the other values materialize. But without the other values guiding you, you simply lose direction. That is the beauty of the Founding Fathers and their writings; the amalgamation of these values and prinicples forms the fabric of who we are.

I do particularly like your statement 'serving each other, we find true freedom'. I believe that truly serving each other is the implementaion of the 12 values.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Organize This through ... · 1 reply · +1 points

Interesting response. I had this same discussion with a coworker yesterday and he mirrored your sentiments. He also pointed out that he gained a sense of solidarity with other Pro-Life advocates while sending in his red envelopes. I guess it boils down to doing what you deem is necessary and relevent. Thanks for your reply.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - The 9/12 · 1 reply · +1 points

I agree that the potential abuses of such power outweigh the possible advantages.

I do not know the exact policy in Michigan but I believe that the government needs to make a reasonable offer for the property before it is seized. Our local paper ran an article about a local high school that needed the land adjacent to it for expansion. They made a fair market value offer on the land but the farmer refused to sell. According to the article the land was seized upon refusal of the offer (the payment was still made). The expansion is now complete.

It is interesting to think how different Washington's struggles would have been if he had employed Emminent Domain to war supplies (particularly food) during the Revolutionary War. However, I would wager that he would have argued that it was such invasive behavior on the part of the government that he was fighting agianst.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Organize This through ... · 3 replies · 0 points

While I believe the sarcasm demonstrated in other replies is completely unwarranted on a site like this, I have to agree with the sentiment. What message exactly are we sending and to whom? President Obama does not receive the mail or sort the mail. The people who will see this type of demonstration are the mailroom clerks who are sort the mail and the janitors who empty the bins they are thrown into. I doubt news of this type of demonstration ever even reaches his ears. The post office does need the revenue though…
Does anyone have evidence that my inclination is wrong and these demonstration make an impact?

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - The 9/12 · 3 replies · +1 points

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti...

The above link is a Washington Post article about the Supreme Court ruling on Emminent Domain from 2005. As an example, I have family in Michigan that was forced to sell their land, at a 'fair' appraised price, so that the state could could add a new on ramp to the highway. They were paid a fair price but they never would have moved given a choice. The public good overrode their personal desires and rights.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - The 9/12 · 1 reply · +4 points

As has been stated many times previous, you do not have to agree with all 9 principles to be 'a part of this movement'. Eight will clearly suffice. We are looking for a common foundation not total agreement.

What cannot be overlooked with Priciple 2 is that the Founding Fathers took this view. It is clearly represented in the writings of Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, etc. Washington routinely refers to God as Providence (God conceived as the power sustaining and guiding human destiny). The Declaration of Independence is based on the 'Laws of Nature and of Nature's God'. As individuals we may dissagree with this priciple but as a whole the Founding Fathers did not.

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