en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/359532 Comments by Robijean http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/08/supernatural-and-then-there-were-none/#IDComment133387282 It wasn't exactly a brotherly moment but I loved the two of them in complete sync when they kicked the door open. Beautiful and sexy. Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:48:37 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/08/supernatural-and-then-there-were-none/#IDComment133387282 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/08/supernatural-and-then-there-were-none/#IDComment133387114 Actually from what I read on another site - in the movie Ice Pirates there was a thing on the ship that could travel from person to person and infect them - they called it a herpe.  So I think Dean was doing a pop culture reference that only a few caught. I've seen the movie but didn't remember that. Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:47:33 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/08/supernatural-and-then-there-were-none/#IDComment133387114 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/08/supernatural-and-then-there-were-none/#IDComment133386402 No one got a chance to tie up Grandpaw - when he kept stepping slowly toward Sam - Sam knew enough not to let him get to Sam's gun and actually pulled the trigger. (I hate when the good guy lets himself get disarmed when it's obvious the other guy is trying to get close enough to get your weapon).   I think they only tied up Sam because the situation with Grandpaw was so confusing - no goo from the worm exiting. That might mean the worm inhabited Sam and he killed Grandpaw for that reason. Dean had the exit goo in his ear after killing Gwen. I loved how Dean unhandcuffed/untied him the instant he saw Grandpaw come back to life. My husband said the worm hadn't left Grandpaw because it hadn't completed his task - killing someone. I hadn't thought that one through but I liked the explanation about why it stuck around this time and animated a corpse. Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:37 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/08/supernatural-and-then-there-were-none/#IDComment133386402 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/08/supernatural-and-then-there-were-none/#IDComment133365271 Another Tuesday, another Sylvia Bond review. It hurts to think it will be 5 or 6 weeks before we get another one. As usual I will have to try to sneak a read at work and send some thoughts after reading. Just like to let you know how much I look forward to Tuesday mornings and your comments. Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:44:05 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/08/supernatural-and-then-there-were-none/#IDComment133365271 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/01/supernatural-the-french-mistake/#IDComment131635870 I've been reading a lot of the comments as they've come in to my email. I don't know about other people but my husband who I practically have to blind and gag to watch the show with me agreed to watch this one and loved it. He has loved all the meta episodes and has absolutely no knowledge of the meta jokes. He just enjoys the comedy. He doesn't care for most of the episodes giving the show a C- overall. His first year he even suggested he thought it played out as the brothers were delusional psychotics going around imagining these things and killing innocents. Of course, I think that was so I'd never ask him to watch again. After that it was rarely that I had him sit and watch with me. Until I discovered how much he loves the meta episodes - for whatever this extremely casual viewer that misses out on 98% of the jokes - loves this and every other meta episode. Food for thought when we worry about the viewer in the know not getting the jokes and being turned off. Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:20:34 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/01/supernatural-the-french-mistake/#IDComment131635870 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/01/supernatural-the-french-mistake/#IDComment131618003 I'm at work but had to make sure my Tuesday would be a good one and it will be because you've got your review up. I can't wait to sneak some time to read it. Thanks for getting it up so regularly. Tue, 1 Mar 2011 15:16:48 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/03/01/supernatural-the-french-mistake/#IDComment131618003 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/02/22/supernatural-mannequin-3-the-reckoning/#IDComment129986393 Actually with souled Sam back for such a short time to him it isn't all that long since Satan left the building. He may know more than a year has gone by since he jumped into that hole but in his mind (when he isn't scratching and having flashbacks) it's only been a short time. And on the Lisa and Dean front I just saw Lisa acting like a lot of couples do after the break-up. They get bitter and blame the other party for everything even when it was a mutual decision or their own decision. My son is going through a break-up like that - she wanted it now it's his fault.  I didn't so much see soulless Sam in his interactions with Johnny as a souled Sam who would really have liked to let Johnny know exactly what he thought of him - maybe with his fists. After all Dean did recommend handling memories of hell with bouts of violence along with the alcoholism. Like you I really enjoyed the opening sequence and the brotherly touching. At the end I loved supportive Sam who thanked Dean (who he knows his worried sick about his well-being with the wall and all) for giving him back his soul. If something happens he at least wants his brother to know he wanted it back and appreciated what he did to get it back. I also loved the call back to Live Free and Twi-hard on having Dean's back. This time it was spontaneously offered by Sam and in that episode it was only offered after Dean asked if he had his back. I really enjoyed that they gave it positive reinforcement that Sam meant it because it was volunteered. I'm just enjoying the brothers being together in spirit again. Lisa and Ben are gone and Dean is with his real family. He's hurting because no matter what causes it or how long before closure, a break-up hurts emotionally even if you had begun to move on. I free he had because he didn't answer the phone - not so much as avoidance but acceptance that Lisa meant what she said - that they were done and she knew it from when Sam first returned - although if she knew it then why did she lead him on when he left - telling him a long distance relationship was possible - unless she felt it was a way of letting him down easy and he'd never show. Wed, 23 Feb 2011 02:53:33 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/02/22/supernatural-mannequin-3-the-reckoning/#IDComment129986393 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/02/22/supernatural-mannequin-3-the-reckoning/#IDComment129869153 Just wanted to say how thrilled I was to see your review  - I only got the three or four paragraphs read but I agree completely. Will add more later after I get a chance. Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:11:41 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/02/22/supernatural-mannequin-3-the-reckoning/#IDComment129869153 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/02/15/supernatural-unforgiven/#IDComment128201238 I don't think it was just the three missing women all being women Sam slept with that made Dean think it was a trap. It was the text message with the co-ordinates that sent them there added to that fact. Obviously someone from before wanted Sam back there and since they went to so much trouble to hide their identity it probably wasn't for anything good.  Therefore to a protective big brother, it was someone up to no good who wanted to hurt his brother. So to Dean this means a trap set for Sammy. Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:09:48 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/02/15/supernatural-unforgiven/#IDComment128201238 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/02/08/supernatural-like-a-virgin-2/#IDComment126705684 I just have a second before leaving for work. Great to have both Supernatural and your reviews back. I haven't read the comments so don't know if anyone else brought this up. I think Sam was just looking for any excuse he could come up with (no matter how ridiculous) to call Bobby. He knew something was off with him and was trying to find out what it was. The call made him only more suspicious so then he called Castiel. Since Sam already knew Portland didn't have a subway system I think he was already thinking in the direction of things like subways, sewers that have large caverns and are underground. Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:59:54 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2011/02/08/supernatural-like-a-virgin-2/#IDComment126705684 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/14/supernatural-appointment-in-samarra/#IDComment115995937 Not only are a lot of people complaining about Dean in the protective role (Deangirls), we also have those fans who said he was selfish in making Sam get his soul back (Samgirls).  I can't understand that since Sam isn't Sam unless he has his soul. His brother knew that the un-souled Sam was dangerous and would have to be either imprisoned or killed. So we was he selfish to want his brother free, alive and with a soul. I can't understand that viewpoint at all. And I can't understand the Deangirls that don't want him to be protective of his brother. That isn't all he is even though they complain it is. He's a protector by nature, he protects others all the time, it's just Sam is his top priority.  We had no one else mention Adam, but Dean wanted to save him. Of course, when the choice of only saving one brother, he chose Sam. However, he still remembered and thought about him which I think says something about him. If he could have, while studying those books at Lisa's, found a way to get Sam out of the cage, he wouldn't have stopped with just rescuing Sam, he would have also been going for Adam. Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:37:47 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/14/supernatural-appointment-in-samarra/#IDComment115995937 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/14/supernatural-appointment-in-samarra/#IDComment115994895 But Sam with a soul didn't do anything bad and I think that Dean will be so happy to have his real brother back what happened won't be mentioned unless souled Sam remembers what un-souled Sam did. Even then I think Dean will be reassuring his brother it wasn't him just like we saw in Born Under a Bad Sign. I'm trying very hard to believe Sera meant it when she said before the season started that we would see the brotherly bond again and the boys working together. I agree though we probably won't see any PTSD on Sam's part anymore than we did on Dean's.  A little more drinking - a few items (like the masks in the Halloween episode) giving flashbacks - maybe a little more tense or easily spooked but that's about it for this show's writers on giving us an aftermath for an extreme traumatic event.  There's only been two events they've really shown much fall-out from - Sam's grieving during much of season 1 over Jessica's death and both boys grieving during early season 2 over John's death. Other than that there seems to be little emotional follow-up to traumas. Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:31:31 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/14/supernatural-appointment-in-samarra/#IDComment115994895 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/14/supernatural-appointment-in-samarra/#IDComment115993796 Not knowing Vancouver at all and having been to a number of cities with a Chinatown, I didn't  feel I wasn't in a generic city. I haven't gone back to re-watch that segment to look for the name of the street but I know I didn't catch the name when I originally watched. Just looked at Dean's confusion at this actually being the place when he checked the paper. Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:23:55 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/14/supernatural-appointment-in-samarra/#IDComment115993796 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/07/supernatural-caged-heat/#IDComment114733448 Sylvia don't forget we also had Jensen's shirtless back in the roadside dream sequence.  It's not much I know but it did happen for all of how many seconds. Actually I had less of a problem with Sam fully clothed on the torture device than I did with him knowing what a hell type torture device looked like. I'm sure Dean never told him and with everything happening at the time, I doubt Ruby described it in detail.  I'd say Sam was clothed because it was his hallucination and he kept himself dressed as he was in the panic room. I wonder what it would have meant psychologically if he had had himself stripped in his hallucination - probably nothing good. My complaint is the scene with the ghouls, shouldn't they at least taken his shirt off to get to their food easier.  And how about the Christmas gods - they were going to be food - why leave them clothed for the sacrifice. Thu, 9 Dec 2010 18:30:42 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/07/supernatural-caged-heat/#IDComment114733448 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/07/supernatural-caged-heat/#IDComment114350707 I didn't say you ruffled my feathers. As I said in my post I know how easy it is to write something that I mean one way and see it taken another way by the person reading it. I was just pointing out to Sylvia who asked a question why I thought a particular response had been given to your comment.  I have had similar things happen to me. Something I've written gives me back responses that leave me wondering how in the world did I manage to miscommunicate so badly or the reader misread so totally what I had written. It happens to us all at one time or another.  I have to agree with you that Jared has a real advantage with the intimidation factor his height gives him - and I think he's using that to full advantage as soulless Sam. When I think of Season 1 and even Season 2 or 3 Sam I think of how Jared as Sam did everything he could to minimize his height and the perception it might create. From Season 4 onward, Sam started to use his height sometimes for a physically intimidating advantage and in this season in particular he almost always stresses it even in non-confrontational scenes. So no I don't think you are a Dean or Jensen hater and I wasn't personally troubled by your comment. Actually you should see the way Deangirls are going off on everything about his character of late - a real hate fest with show - very discouraging to read since I feel they aren't just tearing down the show with their comments but also tearing down the character. Of course I don't hate the way he's portrayed this season so that might be the problem. I like Dean as Sam's brother - worried about him and concerned with making things right for his brother - wanting his brother back. The negativity in so many parts of the fandom is why I come to this site as soon as I can every Tuesday. Even though many have our favorite character,  there isn't hate and disgust for the other character being shown. This is a real treat especially since I know of only one or two other sites that are this way. Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:11:23 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/07/supernatural-caged-heat/#IDComment114350707 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/07/supernatural-caged-heat/#IDComment114340395 #1 - I still miss Nicki Aycox playing Meg - some of the scenes in this episode would have been absolutely fantastic with her in them - I'm thinking of when the two boys were tied up but then I loved the similar scene situation in Shadows - one of my favorite boys are captive scenes to date. #2 - JDM has to play John at least one more time - not just for the fans but because I'd love to see the interaction between their dad and the boys as they are now. #4 - I agree with everything here - Dean's threats are especially expressive when they are based on danger to Sam - Benders I'm thinking of you among others. #5 - Not only is Jared hitting it out of the park - I think he is having the time of his life - he's always wanted to play bad and now is his chance. So even though I'm missing Sam, I'm finding this Sam very interesting to watch both for himself and for the change it brings to the brotherly dynamic. And I agree bad Sam is a very sexy Sam. #6 - Two of my favorite scenes in the episode. I loved Dean's threat to Grandpa. #7 - I don't think I was supposed to but I found bloody toothed Sam really exciting. #8 - Well, I don't think Dean seems capable to do the walking away so we will probably always be faced with a scene where it is Sam doing the walking. #9 - I wrote a whole post on this - as a parent I think outliving your child is much harder to accept than outliving a spouse. Plus I also fanwank he knows Deanna is in heaven and he doesn't know where Mary is. #10 - The minute he started with the Raiders plot, I lost it. #11 - I agree I'll miss Crowley unless when you burn a demon's bones (demon's have no soul anymore) it sends them to Purgatory and this was all a means to an end for Crowley. I can be a real conspiracy theorist but the bones were found pretty easily by Castiel when he couldn't even find Crowley plus the Alpha Vamp said those without souls go to Purgatory when they die. My hopes are also for an outstanding episode to take us into 6 or 7 weeks without the boys.  Unlike one of the seasons where I was so unhappy with the episode I was depressed over the entire hiatus because I needed something to wash the bad out of my mind. Tue, 7 Dec 2010 20:09:17 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/07/supernatural-caged-heat/#IDComment114340395 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/07/supernatural-caged-heat/#IDComment114335501 I know a lot of viewers have had a problem with Grandpa wanting his daughter back and not his wife. I can fanwank a lot of scenarios. Like he knows his wife is in heaven and his daughter isn't plus some other theories. However, I think the real reason as a parent myself - the thought of outliving my children terrifies me. I can't think of anything worse. My husband is a number of years older than me and I know I will probably outlive him. While I hate the idea it is something I can understand happening. But for one of my children to go first - that really hurts - there is a good chance my oldest boy could do just that - I know it but unlike with my husband I cannot accept the idea. So I think that is where the show was taking it. Grandpaw said, I don't know how to live without her - I think that is because it was something he never thought would happen. And yes the boys are her sons and she will hate him if he gets them killed but he doesn't care about anything except her being alive. She can be mad at him as long as she is breathing - we saw on the show she was pretty unhappy with her dad when she was younger. So I don't think Grandpaw is a skeevy perv - I just think he's a stupid idiot to not even give some thought to what Dean was telling him.  Not that I believe Dean would listen if the only way to get Sam's soul back whole and undamaged was for him to make a deal. He'd make it in a second but then he's a little OCD on his brother and his well-being. I think Dean demonstrates the Protector Guardian personality type and he wouldn't want any other role in life than caring for those he loves.  For most of his life that was his family of two, Dad and Sam. Once Dad died it was just Sam and I don't think Sam can ever stop being important to Dean. There is a light and dark side to this personality type and I am constantly fascinated to watch it play out between Dean and Sam. Unlike a lot of Deangirls, I like the way Dean's world is tied to Sam and his well-being.  I especially find it fascinating how he keeps holding back now that he knows Sam doesn't have a soul, things that would normally have him yelling at him, has him swallowing his thoughts and words, and saying something completely different.  Although I do want Sam back and whole, I have enjoyed this look at the boys attempting to find a way to work together with both of them acting differently than normal. Sam because he has no soul and Dean because he has to relate to someone without the normal human attributes. Seeing Dean's response to Sam's behavior change as he learned the Sam's soullessness was fascinating. He is still wary but he doesn't cringe at being with him. He's making attempts to teach his brother, I imagine as he did as a child, the appropriate behavior and response to what's going on around him. Although I imagine it would be Sam as a little boy telling Dean when someone offers you cookies you only take one - now it would have to be the other way around. Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:43:19 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/07/supernatural-caged-heat/#IDComment114335501 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/07/supernatural-caged-heat/#IDComment114330448 I don't normally comment on questions like this but I do know when I read her comment I felt the same way that she was making backhanded comments about Dean and Ackles. I don't think I've necessarily felt that way about her comments before so I don't believe it was intentional. I feel some comments felt unneeded especially the ones concerning Abandon All Hope and these left the reader with a bad taste in their mouth. It felt like a backhanded slam at both Dean the character but also Jensen the actor when she went on to say how Jared could pull it off. I think bi-bro love complained about the comment because of the inclusion of a comparison that wasn't needed gave a negative context when read. It would have seemed very different if the writer just commented on Jared's portrayal of Sam in a leadership position and how well Sam performed as a  leader.  At least that's my opinion of why the comment seemed negative to me. And I'm still wondering how Dean/Jensen didn't convey leadership in Abandon All Hope so that also made me pause. I don't usually comment on things like this myself because I know who easy it is to mess up your explanation or comment when you are trying to make sense to other people. My comments frequently don't say what I meant them to and I only find this out when I read the responses I receive. Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:14:52 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/12/07/supernatural-caged-heat/#IDComment114330448 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/11/30/supernatural-all-dogs-go-to-heaven/#IDComment112933349 Actually the parallel I saw with Sam was more like they've done in the past - comparing his situation to the MOTW.  Sam has done things, killed innocents even, and has admitted that to Dean. I thought the contrast between what happened to Lucky with his family was in contrast to what happened to Sam even with his admission he didn't care about Dean and sounding a little bit doubtful about the whole getting his soul back. I enjoyed the way Dean, knowing everything, was still there for Sam.  Lucky unfortunately had no one before to love him but Sam has Dean from before he became this soulless notSam. And Dean isn't sending him away like some might when they heard his confession. It just felt like a very deliberate contrast being given between Lucky's situation and Sam's. Although the boys did let Lucky leave so I guess they at least felt he fell somewhere in the shades of grey area where they will live and let live. I'm not sure they were right but again it demonstrates in a small way Dean's attitude towards his brother at the end. He's going to stay with him and help him find himself again. Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:44:44 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/11/30/supernatural-all-dogs-go-to-heaven/#IDComment112933349 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/11/30/supernatural-all-dogs-go-to-heaven/#IDComment112892807 I was thrilled to see you finally posted a review on this episode. And I loved your review so much. I read such negativity about the episode after it aired, I began to wonder if I was the only person who enjoyed it and could see Dean and notSam engaging in more and more Dean and Sam habitual activities. I'm still trying to decide exactly what message was being sent  by Lucky and his situation. Sometimes I felt it related to Dean and Lisa but there were some aspects that seem to speak to the situation with Sam. I'm really interested in how others saw it. You definitely saw the parallel between Dean and Lisa.  And I agree she is not right for the Dean of today - maybe the Dean of 2005 or Dean when she met him. He's changed too much and went through too much for him to really settle into domesticity. Also I don't think he'd ever be safe in that life - the past could always come back for him. Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:52:37 +0000 http://www.pinkraygun.com/2010/11/30/supernatural-all-dogs-go-to-heaven/#IDComment112892807